You literally ignored the part where I straight-up acknowledged the latitude and longitude part (which is the EXACT SAME as just naming Cape Canaveral only with numbers instead of letters), which, by the way, I brought up the plane thing as a HOW he would get there under prep time, a literal means to get there, not as any part of some nonsensical elevation argument.
I didn't, the phrasing of your post was "
Even then, it can evolve, which
even with the specific latitude, longitude, and lunar phase requirements, with how overly generalized SBA is when it comes to when a character is their strongest, it wouldn't matter if Goku has to be under a full moon to achieve Oozaru and Goku can't control his Oozaru form in the slightest, that is still Goku's strongest."
This is worded to where it doesn't matter
what the requirements are, even if he NEEDS said things, due to SBA it still could. If that isn't what you meant, that ain't on me, but it is what you said. And seemingly continue on to argue anyway.
Even then, just say what you mean instead of vague pointless comments like planes then.
And if that's such a case, why are you even arguing this. You agree with me.
I was saying that he could just travel to Cape Canaveral as a prep time application. You're assuming I'm making the same assumptions Blizzard is, which, by the way, no I wasn't. I never brought up elevation once. I acknowledged the things that are needed: latitude, longitude, and lunar cycle, without arguing against them.
Of course I am, why wouldn't I assume so. It's what anyone would interpret your wording to entail.
You aren't arguing against them, apparently, but you are now just like, framing SBA to work in a way it never would? Which is moreso just confusing if anything.
Why would prep time matter? That doesn't make sense for the very point of your thread. Someone could have the most absolute dogwater resistance known to man, but because if they have prep they can circumvent it, it doesn't count? Change the name of your thread then.
Above, someone mentioned Goku's sleep res, why not assume Goku gets a month of prep and just happens to be fighting at a banquet? That isn't how matches or res work? Nor would that change the resistance in question's functionality? Would you say Batman with prep time could roid out his stuff, so he doesn't count?
And like, then what? In the context of Pucci, he evolves his Stand? That isn't C-Moon anymore? It's a completely different Stand with different abilities. This is no different than saying Namek Saga Goku's resistance to EE isn't that bad because Goku with 40 years of prep time has resistance to EE? It's no longer the same thing.
Are you suggesting the moment he gets off of Cape Canaveral after his Time Stop Resistance evolves, it would de-evolve to being dogass again like a Ultimate-level Digimon going back to Rookie-level?
I'm suggesting it's no longer the same entity. It's a literal different Stand. In much the same way C-Moon isn't Whitesnake, Made in Heaven isn't C-Moon. Pucci's abilities in one key, doesn't effect the potency of his abilities in a different key. That goes for any character.
And that's under Prep Time, not SBA alone.
Then why bring it up?
Also, we're not putting up misinformation about SBA; in fact, if anything, SBA is open-ended in the parts where it needs to be.
The date and time are altered to fit the characters so they're at their best even if paradoxically. But the location is Central Park not 1000m under the ocean for say Aquaman or a Water Pokemon because "it'd be better for them". You COULD make the match start there, but it wouldn't be SBA.
"The time and date are chosen in such a fashion that all characters are at their strongest." This would allow Pucci with C-Moon to fight under a New Moon because that's the time necessary for C-Moon to be at its strongest.
The New Moon literally doesn't effect its abilities at all? All it does is, if at Cape Canaveral, under a New Moon's pull, can it evolve into Made in Heaven.
That doesn't do anything for C-Moon, it technically kills it and then replaces it with a new Stand. It wouldn't even be C-Moon at that point, you'd be using MIH Pucci. Which is to say, C-Moon under the new Moon at the proper location, wouldn't even exist, it gets replaced.
"If extreme advantages are generated via this location to one side, a balanced alternative should be discussed in the thread." This allows the location to be changed from Central Park (the location where the Time-Stopper would be at an extreme advantage) if Pucci's against a Time Stop user, in which case, the location would be changed to Cape Canaveral or even the specific latitude and longitude mentioned (Coordinates are more specific than just the name of a place) as it is the balanced alternative. With how specific that locale is, I doubt any amount of discussion would've been needed unless someone completely uninitiated in JJBA questions it.
Literally no thread ever. No, the location wouldn't be changed, what? If someone is using C-Moon Pucci, NOBODY is going to go "Oh but not SBA, it actually takes place at Cape Canaveral on the New Moon so Pucci instantly gets Made in Heaven". Just pick the Made in Heaven key at that point.
Nobody thinks like this, no thread would ever do that. Yeah if you put Pucci against a time stopper they'd have an advantage, it wouldn't matter where they fight? If it's so disadvantageous, don't put him against a time stopper to begin with, that's what a mismatch or stomp is?
Your argument ultimately results in, that, by SBA, somehow, Pucci in his C-Moon key gets Made in heaven because the location and time would be altered by SBA to enable him to instantly get it? This is like if you argued it'd be beneficial for a Growlith to fight in a room made of Fire Stones as per SBA so it instantly evolves into Arcanine. It doesn't make sense, we don't do that.
Basically the parts that are being pointed out are the "hey, if its more balanced like this, do this instead" parts. Now, kindly take a few deep breaths. As someone who had those issues before, I highly recommend it.
I legit just think you like, legitmately don't know how SBA functions in action at this point no offense.
Going to ignore the fact you think I'm somehow mad over a F&G thread that's "these characters suck lmao", as opposed to just going "hey, you're literally just saying words, that isn't how this works, don't", that's obnoxious, stop that shit dude.
I just don't even get you two. One dude yaps about stuff that isn't how it actually works, and you're going on about SBA of all things in ways the wiki just doesn't do it. Just list Subaru, nobody gives a shit, why do you feel the need to say things we would never do to validate a stance that nobody is even against? SBA doesn't do what you think it does. Nobody is making a match like that, if they do, that isn't actually SBA anymore.
Nobody is going to pick a character, then invalidate it by giving them a different key instantly passively, they'd just pick the different key? And it doesn't even matter to begin with for your very own thread, if someone has dog resistance, them being able to change that with some unrealistically large amount of prep time and prior knowledge doesn't change how we rate them then or the potency of it at the time? If someone's EE res only works over 1cm^2 of their body, but if you give them a decade they could develop it to be their whole body in theory, that isn't changing the res as it was.
This is all over nothing, why even argue it?
As an aside, MIH's time stop resistance is the exact same anyway, it just has a different ability that shortens time stops, but that has nothing to do with the resistance itself, neither here nor there.
