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well, if he didn't say anything relevant 乁( •_• )ㄏ then I think it's ok?
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Immeasurable speed sailor moon ?
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As I said ,after this. So let's return to the discussion at hand.
What? No, that's the last thing I should be doing. It's deliberately derialing. Again, let's return to what's important instead of writing unnecessary stuff about irrelevant issues.
Again, whataboutism isn't a good way of getting upgrades or downgrades. Just because one is doing something bad, doesn't mean everyone should be doing it.
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I said it's ok to delete his message and not the opposite.
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Nvm I misread it then. My apologies
But anyway, we should focus back on the discussion at hand.n
But anyway, we should focus back on the discussion at hand.n
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Well, Ant tagged more mods it seems.
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One thing I am still unsure about. It is true their attack speed (together) can likely reach infinite speed but why would it scale to their reactions? And normal travel or combat speed?
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1.Sailor moon universe is perhaps infinite.
2.The silver crystal fired a blast of light that reached a space outside of the universe. The silver crystal also has infinite energy and is the source of all energy in universe.
3.The silver crystal powers sailor moon and her attacks, and characters can react to her attacks.
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Third one answers my question. Alright then, but either way, I think they should be evaluated properly. Cause just because this attack is likely infinite speed, doesn't mean everything they do is infinite speed
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Agreed.
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Would "At least MFTL+, likely Infinite attack speed" do then?
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i'm also interesting in this
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Aside from those two involved in causing this? No, why?
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So what do you propose? MFTL+?
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For the time being, ye. But then again, I wanna see how many people exactly scale to mftl, and whatnot.
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Why are you even in this conversation if you're not going to read any of my posts? She didn't just light up a space, she lit up all spaces and time. Wiseman's domain and the Corridor of the Spacetime door not in the universe. And Corridor connects to all spaces and times.
Yet, there are several characters who have immeasurable speed for that.
It's called a reference. All verses are held to the same standard. So I want to know if there is any character who has a similar feat of attacking someone across time that isn't immeasurable, and to see how that is recorded. Unless each verse have their own standards?
What about flying?
Why would characters in life or death situation, where the stakes is their loved ones being killed or the universe being destroyed not use their powers to fullest?
It's silly to say that, "Yes Sailor Moon's attacks can reach infinite speed but when Tellu was about to kill her daughter, she could have very well used her slowest speed."
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First thing first, I haven't read the verse. And you are bringing new scenarios here, not my fault. Also It's up to you to actually prove that she went all out and wll
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??? I already posted this scenario.
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Haven't seen so eh.
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So people are just jumping into thread and giving their thoughts and don't even have the decency to read what I have posted? How is this anywhere fair or conducive to an actual discussion. Not to mention I'm one person arguing against multiple people who come and go as they please.
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Again, this is all range/space-time hax/ap. Besides, the whole thing feels way too cheap. Pretty sure you wouldn't get immeasurable or infinite speed for something like this anymore.
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First of all, I don't have all day here. I just finished a 10+ hour shift and it's nearly midnight. I was asked to give input regarding specific posts and I did so. Not my fault, take up to the one who compiled that post.
Secondly, no one should be reading 600+ messages - most of which is derailment, whataboutism (a lot from you, btw), and a lot of unnecessary comments from others who tries to prove why one verse has something.
Everything you brought is not immeasurable and going in circles isn't helping.
"Muh no one is reading my posts" nah bruv, I did read a lot - (and I don't even have to, I don't even know the verse nor I care 1% for it) most of them on this page. And your links weren't working when I had time.
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Calm your self because I literally posted the scenario in the post I made specifically for you. The bare minimum was reading that.
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If you don't care then don't comment. I don't care about what you think is immeasurable or not because you literally admitted not paying attention or reading my post.
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Expect that nothing in that post was actually even close to immeasurable? I keep repeating the same thing tho? What
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Here we go with the whataboutism again... Just because one has it, doesn't mean everyone should have it. If you disagree, make a cer for it. I think you didn't read my earlier comment. So deleting that, okay?
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Don't delete my comment. It is relevant and you know it.
The entire immeasurable speed rating on this site has been loosey goosey and verses don't have the same standards:
- SMT demons get it for being from the expanse which transcends time and space. But sailor moon's power trancending time and space isn't enough.
- Dante gets it for out speed Pluto, who was able to bypass the dimensional axis with his speed. But for Sailor Moon's light and Black Lady flying to places outside time that can only be access through time travel and have no concept of distance or direction, that's just dimensional travel.
- Alphamon gets it for transcending spacetime and traveling through time. But for Sailor Moon that's just time travel and dimensional travel, despite the several statements of transcending spacetime, and crossing time, and being unbound by time.
- Alduin gets it for existing outside time, and flying through the currents of time. But for Sailor Moon and Black that's just time travel and dimensional travel.
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The fact that you're deleting comments, what purpose are you even bringing to this conversation. It's not whataboutism. This wiki has standards that are applied to all verses equally. You can use how similar feats are recorded for a reference.
It makes no sense for similar feats to be recorded one way and others to be recorded another way.
It makes no sense for similar feats to be recorded one way and others to be recorded another way.
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I'm really not the best to judge something like Infinite or Immeasurable speed but these seem like they can be treated as other things.@Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Mr._Bambu @Elizhaa @Sir_Ovens @Damage3245 @Starter_Pack @Abstractions @LordGriffin1000 @Colonel_Krukov @SamanPatou
The following Massively FTL+ calculations have now been accepted to scale from:
Sailor Galaxia flies to another galaxy (Sailor Moon speed calc)
vsbattles.fandom.com
Sailor Moon Galaxy crossing Calc
In addition, the following posts, which I have been told present the available supposed evidence for Immeasurable or Infinite speed, preferably need to be properly evaluated:
I would greatly appreciate if you all help us out with reaching proper conclusions regarding what we should do here, as it is a very significant/popular verse that has received far too limited attention over the years.
The W.I.T.C.H. verse has characters with Universe level+ range with multiple feats of the characters sending there energy, attack. and even crossing an infinite distance to other separate space-time and they aren't rated as infinite or Immeasurable in speed so yes, characters like that exist.
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How are those feats written in the profile? And for which character?
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I put it as Dimensional Travel for the Dark Mother for both her feats. The first is her sending her seeds from Earth to Kandrakar and we see that they did travel. (Earth exists in the normal universe which has statements of being infinite and Kandrakar has multiple statements of being infinite and it's own separate universe. The same goes for her second feat of her turning herself into Astral Perfume and traveling from Earth too Kandrakar. (I even made a blog for the cosmology that provides evidence for the universes being infinite and separate space-times)
As for the other feats we don't have profiles for those characters but the Wise Ones have a spell that can transport people across universes in moments but since they are crossing separate space-time regardless of those universes being infinite it is Dimensional Travel. The Elemental Forces that are the source of the Guardians powers (we got pages for the Guardians) traveled from Kandrakar to Earth. Finally, Santa's slay uses magic that allows to "defy space and time" through movement and move through time. I think there might be more stuff but it's all the same, the characters can travel infinite distances to separate space and time but this is considered Dimensional Travel by our wiki's standards so I never bothered to bring them up.
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The dimensional travel page says, "This is rarely an ability on its own, often being achieved through other means such as Teleportation used to teleport into other universes, and Portal Creation used to open doorways into these universes."
It sounds like the characters didn't use teleportation, and portal creation. So it's just pure dimensional travel?
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It was the only thing they could have been given. They didn't use portals or teleportion as we saw them travel but going by our standards, they wouldn't get infinite/immeasurable speed for crossing universes when it involves moving through space and time to a different universe which is why I didn't attempt to upgrade them.
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Hmm. I understand. Personally, I don't understand why the standards are set up that way, if you can travel an infinite distance, then you can travel an infinite distance.
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Whataboutism is not entirely bad. However what i hate about whataboutism is people just bring out other verses to defend their point, but actually never research deeply into them why these have those rating, just saw something similar and then bring them out as shield.
1. SMT Demon was not just transcended space-time only, they are the being of the Expanse, a higher dimensional space with higher temporal dimension, Demon capable of jump from higher to lower temporal dimension and back with their sheer movement, and eas blatantly using that to combat. The Expanse also said to be a dimension with an entire differemt flow of time that transcended the normal universe space-time entire past, present and future so Demon can also capable of time travel due to the higher temporal dimension doesn't bound by normal linear time
2. DMC Pluto was blatantly stated to be faster than his hunter who is infinite speed, and his speed is said to be transcended dimensional axis of time stream. Nothing similar to Sailor Moon, move to somewhere outside of space-time is not immeasurable speed by anymean, and we doesn't treat a realm with no concept of distance or direction is something special anymore, same with moving in a timeless void doesn't grant infinite speed anymore.
3. Alphamon idk honestly, so no comment.
4. Alduin is not just simply outside time and move through the current of time. He also scale to the lesser Dragon those are Akatosh servants, those dragon are unbound by linear of current of time, can freely move through current of time to fix the time stream, capable of freely move to every points on the time stream to fix the wound.
Admittedly there are still some verses still have Immeasurable speed of old standard due to those verse being heavily outdated with no one care. But please can we stop bring out those outdated verses as a shield??. Also the problem with immeasurable speed is, because Immeasurable speed can travel freely through time, thus they can, by all mean, time travel. However this is similar to the situation with infinite and endless/countless, infinite can also be endless/countless but not vice verse; immeasurable speed can time travel, but time travel is not immeasurable speed, people always jump that immeasurable speed attemp when they see characters move through time with speed/physical movement but no, time travel is the result of immeasurable speed, not the cause.
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So dimensional travel?
I thought you said trancending time means nothing?
She didn't just move to outside of spacetime, the light traveled beyond the infinite distance of the universe.
lol So just Time Travel?
Sailor Mon's light freely moving through time and cable of going to every point in time doesn't count but the dragon's ability to do so does. Cool got it.
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At this point i seriously think you trying too hard just to defend your verse with non-sense. I already pointed out the massive difference between those verse and sailor moon, i don't even understand why you can come into conclusion that Sailor Moon is exactly the same as those verse
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you have literally said that Sailor Moon’s light being unbound by time and trancending time and space, mean absolutely nothing.
And then tell me these characters trancending time and being unbound by time mean something.
like which is it?
Sailor moon doesn’t get special rating for having a space with unique physics but SMT does?
its all double standards.
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Transceded space-time but not speed, i did literally stated that her speed need to be unbound by time axis, we not give anything with a vague statement like transcended space-time or unbound by time because it is the old standard, also you twisted that layer of time statement into unbound by time while it is literally not the case
Don't simplified my comment into your version to suit your agenda. I already explained this in-deep for you, and you also have a habit of twisting context and whataboutism.
SMT was directly stated to be a higher, temporal dimension with a flow of time that entirely different to the lower, normal universe, transcended both past, present and future and Demon and other character capable of using sheer speed to bypass dimensional restriction, jump back and forth between 2 temporal dimension while fighting, i don't even know how can you come into conclusion that Sailor Moon is the same, a space with no concept of distance and direction doesn't translate into a higher temporal dimension, move to the outside of universe also is not, stop simplified thing and actually research thing seriously, and also stop whataboutism
While i don't disagree that there are some double standards running in this community, this case is not
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Pluto’s profile says he trancended the dimensional axis of time, not speed.
Unhindered and unbound are literally synonyms. You can use them interchangeably. I'm not twisting any statements.
Thesaurus results for UNHINDERED
Synonyms for UNHINDERED: rampant, uncontrolled, unbridled, unhampered, unchecked, unbounded, unrestrained, runaway; Antonyms of UNHINDERED: controlled, hindered, hampered, checked, restrained, constrained, governed, temperate
www.merriam-webster.com
I'm not twisting anything.
I never said that they were the same. I said they they had both special physics.
And my point was that how does anything you mentioned about the expanse qualify for immeasurable. Everything you said fits into dimensional travel. The demons moving back and forth between places would just he dimensional travel as well.
You said transcending space and time mean nothing. Why is it significant for the expanse?
Are the demons traveling a beyond infinite distance distance when traveling from the expanse?
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