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I am personally fine with "At least Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite", but it seems like the other staff members here prefer just "Massively FTL+", and they probably have better judgements regarding this issue than I do.
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Immeasurable speed sailor moon ?
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Perhaps because they explicitly differentiate between speed feat and range feat, right?
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BTW i personally don't think we need explanation page for sailor moon speed for why we rejected immeasurable infinite speed for it. Dragon ball heroes as far more feats on the same type and yet it doesn't need a speed explanation page.
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I want the explanation page because this wiki has already accepted the light feat as a speed feat back when the universe was considered finite, but now that the distance is infinite, everyone is acting different.
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Actually iirc, the verse have no explaination page, but an actual discussion rule.........but i could be wrong though
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I will ask once again. What was downgraded of sailor moon before this that made you feel vs battles hates sailor moon and treats it most unfairly?
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Sailor Moon??? treated unfairly??, to be fair i don't think so. It is not as prominent as Dragon Ball
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Was the star seed ever downgraded? Perhaps it's that.
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Whatever was legit/accepted in the past (years ago?) doesn't mean it's still legit (look at how many things have gotten downgraded over the years). Things always change.
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Don't even know, i remember some time i visit SM profile there is still star seed being concept or whatever it is
Well back then it is accepted because i think the light feat was consistent with the travelling feat to the Galaxy, now the universe being Infinite thing get different
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I have to ask, since imanu decided to post this
"yeah. It gets accepted and then someone comes along and down grades the verse and then we have to start all over again. Its why everyone leaves. Its a waste of time and why the profiles are so messed up. Who wants to take time to fix and upgrade and then have it all changed over flimsy arguments."
"This is pure bs. And yall know it. This is why every knowledgeable member of Sailor Moon left this community.
Sailor Moon is the only verse that will have legitimate feats waved away and ignored.
and every single time, someone comes into this threads and gives their objections, I give my arguments and they never come back to address my criticisms of their arguments.
Not to mention the complete ignoring of all the users who agreed with infinite speed and immeasurable speed, (and the ones who agree with the infinite speed but not the immeasurable rating)
Not to mention you are still bringing up the “edge of the universe” argument when I already have multiple times explained that the area called the “edge of the spacetime” is not inside the universe.
I want this to become a staff discussion."
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Tbh, standard change, so...................., many verse suffered from that, not just SM, look at BlazBlue, that verse just recently lost Immeasurable speed
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i think being shown to physically moving across time alone does not qualify for it.
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Would somebody here be willing to write an outline for how we should apply this revision based on what @DarkDragonMedeus wrote earlier in this thread?
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I loved how this thread has devolved into people mocking me, but by all means claim that there is no bias and this downgrade thread was made in good faith.
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You derailed the thread for over an entire week claiming that "sailor moon always gets downgraded" or "Sailor moon is the only verse the wikia is biased against" and yet when i actually asked for proof where sailor moon is getting downgraded unfairly with flimsy arguents, or where it is treated with bias you conveniently ignore it. The only downgrade i heard so far is the star seeds being removed from concept hax, and as you said it was reinitiated despite such vague implications. What should i assume from all these?
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Nah guys, stop derailing. It is 7 pages already.
No one mocking you, honestly idk why you had this impression. We just talk about stuffs. Anyway enough derailing
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Ant can you please close this thread now? We will discuss the outline in private conversation and apply it.
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I ignored it because it's literally derailing the thread. I get my comments deleted for referencing how other verses are treated for similar feats but people get to just do this and not a word from the mods? Not to mention many of the mods (not all) have been passive aggressive and refused to even engage with my comments. But I have to accept their decision?
Not to mention I never said any of that. I said that people leave the site because it's useless how Sailor Moon profiles are such a huge under taking, their ratings constantly are changing, things get added or removed. This change, would need someone to edit over 20 profiles. What's the point of doing all this when people can downgrade stuff for extremely lame reasons:
1. You can't get speed rating from range
2. Yes we see the character flying to the location from another location, but they could have done something off screen, between panels, in midconveration
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This is what you actually said
"yeah. It gets accepted and then someone comes along and down grades the verse and then we have to start all over again. Its why everyone leaves. Its a waste of time and why the profiles are so messed up. Who wants to take time to fix and upgrade and then have it all changed over flimsy arguments."
"This is pure bs. And yall know it. This is why every knowledgeable member of Sailor Moon left this community.
Sailor Moon is the only verse that will have legitimate feats waved away and ignored.
and every single time, someone comes into this threads and gives their objections, I give my arguments and they never come back to address my criticisms of their arguments.
Not to mention the complete ignoring of all the users who agreed with infinite speed and immeasurable speed, (and the ones who agree with the infinite speed but not the immeasurable rating)
Not to mention you are still bringing up the “edge of the universe” argument when I already have multiple times explained that the area called the “edge of the spacetime” is not inside the universe.
I want this to become a staff discussion."
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I'm sorry since when does downgrades get finished in private conversations?
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That not how everything work, we can't revise a verse in a private discussion, it is really bad to do it, private discussion is just for...well discussion
We went through this already.
1. When it come to Immeasurable and Infinite speed, we don't scale range to speed by default due to the rating being extremely inconsistent in fiction when we touch this territory. It is standard, if you have problem with it, make a CRT to revise the standard, i'm not responsible for those standard, just debate within it
2. I already explained, so i'm not going to repeat myself after this, the feat is one panel they are in Nemesis, next panel they already at Wisemain Domain, how do we know the process in-between, nothing explain what happened, that why the feat is hardly usable.
You find it lame, yes it is your opinion, you have all the right with your own point of view, however you find the reasoning being lame will not change everything. And i'm not responsible for other downgrade so idk, actually i don't even know when those downgrade happen
Again, i'm perfectly fine with Possibly Infinite due to the Light feat. However i said many, i don't make the decision
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Isn't the dragon ball infinite universe thing done in private conversation?
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1. Sailor Moon is a shoujo. There is no narrator to explain what happens of panel. What you see is what you get. Saying the verse needs a narrator to double down on what's being shown is an unfair and unrealistic requirement.
2. The scans shows them flying. On Nemesis, Black Lady gets up and starts floating in the air. The next panel is a speech bubble that says, "Come on, Let's go" that's pointed to the next panel where they are flying through space with Wiseman's castle below. It is not far-fetch to say they flew there. Completely ignoring that makes no sense, when that's the method that's most supported by the source material.
The author has shown people teleporting to the rifts. If she intended them to teleport there she would have. She deliberately drew them flying to Wiseman's castle. There is no reason to not take all this in consideration and act like the method of transportation is mysterious.
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No, private discussion is for gathering sanc, evidences, etc....between supporters or just discussing
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I don't think that anybody here has mocked or been passive-aggressive towards you, Iamunanimousinthat. Nor do I think that there is a bias against Sailor Moon in this wiki, just a rather big lack of interest.
Anyway, I personally would not mind "At least Massively FTL+", possibly Infinite" statistics, but the other staff members disagreed, so we need to apply the "Massively FTL+" revisions soon. Is somebody here willing to help out with this task?
Anyway, I personally would not mind "At least Massively FTL+", possibly Infinite" statistics, but the other staff members disagreed, so we need to apply the "Massively FTL+" revisions soon. Is somebody here willing to help out with this task?
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Alright, i will do it myself. What will be speed description?
"MFTL+ (Was capable of reaching the center of the galaxy from it's outskirts near instantly and should scale to other sailor senshi who are capable of doing the same feat later.)"
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Perhaps something like:
"Massively FTL+ (Was capable of reaching the center of a galaxy from its outskirts near instantly and should scale to other Sailor Senshi who were later capable of performing the same feat.)"
With added embedded links to accepted wiki blog calculations for these feats.
"Massively FTL+ (Was capable of reaching the center of a galaxy from its outskirts near instantly and should scale to other Sailor Senshi who were later capable of performing the same feat.)"
With added embedded links to accepted wiki blog calculations for these feats.
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Hm, seems we reached the conclusion. Is there anything left to discuss or will you close the thread?
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did you applied the revision???
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Not yet. Are the pages unlocked?
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Don't know, you need to ask Ant
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Ant please unlock these pages
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Actually look like all those profile are opened. Except Sailor Moon page
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I have unlocked all of the Sailor Moon pages. Here they are:
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However, please remember to link to the calculations that we scale from in the relevant speed sections, and to link to this thread in the small edit summary boxes, to avoid misunderstandings in which others think that you are vandalising.
Sailor Moon
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However, please remember to link to the calculations that we scale from in the relevant speed sections, and to link to this thread in the small edit summary boxes, to avoid misunderstandings in which others think that you are vandalising.
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i still recommend we make a Note on why character doesn't have Infinite Speed, or Immeasurable speed anymore. or write a sentence and link it with this thread
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I have unlocked all of the Sailor Moon pages. Here they are:
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However, please remember to link to the calculations that we scale from in the relevant speed sections, and to link to this thread in the small edit summary boxes, to avoid misunderstandings in which others think that you are vandalising.
Wait, where do i link this thread? Maybe in a note?
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I am having trouble with editing. Are the links not working?
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