Immeasurable speed blazblue downgrade

[Fixxed]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here. I have unlocked all of the Tier 1 BlazBlue pages.

What speed levels are the characters being changed to instead, and do you link to the right calculation blogs to justify the new ratings?

for now I only delete the immeasurable speed part, and only leave other speeds such as FTL speed. but if the character has no speed other than immeasurable speed then I write it with "Unknown"

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

so for all supporter BB can you summarize all your point in one comment with all feats you have

So the Thread don't get Mess again with derailing things before

 

[Scottycj256]

I guess we should now calc new speed feats for Chronophantasma onwards since Immeasurable is gone now

 

[Theglassman12]

@Scottycj256 there is no speed feats in the next games.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

for now I only delete the immeasurable speed part, and only leave other speeds such as FTL speed. but if the character has no speed other than immeasurable speed then I write it with "Unknown"

Stuff is still in arguement, did you really edit and delete Immeasurable rating??

 

[Scottycj256]

for now I only delete the immeasurable speed part, and only leave other speeds such as FTL speed. but if the character has no speed other than immeasurable speed then I write it with "Unknown"

also wouldnt they literally just downgrade to FTL? what are you doing downgrading to Unknown

 

[Fixxed]

also wouldnt they literally just downgrade to FTL? what are you doing downgrading to Unknown

Not all character have ftl speed rating in their page, so i changed it into unknown speed. If that character have ftl speed. Then i just downgrade them to ftl speed

Stuff is still in arguement, did you really edit and delete Immeasurable rating??

Yeah, At that time I already got permission, then if you want to argue, please use one full summary so that there are no circular arguments here

 

[Theglassman12]

@Fixxed there’s people still arguing, so maybe wait until we’re all done?

 

[Fixxed]

@Fixxed there’s people still arguing, so maybe wait until we’re all done?

Okey, For the rest of the profiles, I'll wait for this thread to finish

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I have gotten a bit more neutral but still waiting for more elaborate points made by the pro Immeasurable speed side. But I believe some people misunderstood what is being used; "Seeing all timelines" is not something they're using to justify speed, but rather the ability to travel at any alternate reality and every single time period at will. And the realm some characters are native to or have access to stating to transcend time and space. Which while that is often a loose term, it "Could" mean it exists on a 2nd temporal dimension above tradition time. I cannot guarantee if that's a fact because I don't know the verse, but the "2nd temporal dimension" would be above baseline Immeasurable.

 

[Vietthai96]

Which while that is often a loose term, it "Could" mean it exists on a 2nd temporal dimension above tradition time. I cannot guarantee if that's a fact because I don't know the verse, but the "2nd temporal dimension" would be above baseline Immeasurable.

this is....not entirely right, exist on higher temporal dimension doesn't mean immeasurable speed, it is just you take advantage of the environment to achieve the same effect as Immeasurable speed. Unless you are HDE being who also Omnipresent across the higher temporal axis

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I cannot guarantee if that's a fact because I don't know the verse, but the "2nd temporal dimension" would be above baseline Immeasurable.

I don't think so, for 2nd degree immeasurable speed these guys would need to transcend even 2nd temporal dimension.
Since baselnline immeasurable already unbound by normal time.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Urizen (Image Comics)

At the beginning of time Urizen was one of the missing threads in the universe who ruled along with the other Elder Gods who together brought balance to the universe. Urizen was one of these Elder Gods, a great deity that existed before even Heaven and Hell. His sole duty was to consume souls...

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is an example of 2nd degree immeasurable speed or above baseline immeasurable speed. Since he is measured by 3rd temporal dimension i.e 3D time. Which means he is unbound by 2 dimensional time.

 

[Ikelaggan]

Urizen (Image Comics)

At the beginning of time Urizen was one of the missing threads in the universe who ruled along with the other Elder Gods who together brought balance to the universe. Urizen was one of these Elder Gods, a great deity that existed before even Heaven and Hell. His sole duty was to consume souls...

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is an example of 2nd degree immeasurable speed or above baseline immeasurable speed. Since he is measured by 3rd temporal dimension i.e 3D time. Which means he is unbound by 2 dimensional time.

5D movement in a nutshell

 

[Antvasima]

for now I only delete the immeasurable speed part, and only leave other speeds such as FTL speed. but if the character has no speed other than immeasurable speed then I write it with "Unknown"

As I mentioned earlier, it is probably best to wait with applying the revisions for now.

Did you already edit a lot of pages? Perhaps your edits should be reverted for the time being? Would somebody here be willing to handle it?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

this is....not entirely right, exist on higher temporal dimension doesn't mean immeasurable speed, it is just you take advantage of the environment to achieve the same effect as Immeasurable speed. Unless you are HDE being who also Omnipresent across the higher temporal axis

I think you misunderstood me. I never said "Simply existing on one" grants it, rather the ability to move through a 2nd temporal dimension should most definitely warrant one.

 

[Fixxed]

I think you misunderstood me. I never said "Simply existing on one" grants it, rather the ability to move through a 2nd temporal dimension should most definitely warrant one.

Why is that? How does the logic of a creature that exists in the 1st temporal dimension but is able to pass through the 2nd temporal dimension get immeasurable speed, but the original creature from the 2nd temporal dimension does not get immeasurable speed?

 

[Ikelaggan]

Why is that? How does the logic of a creature that exists in the 1st temporal dimension but is able to pass through the 2nd temporal dimension get immeasurable speed, but the original creature from the 2nd temporal dimension does not get immeasurable speed?

This is kinda the same issue I was trying to explain about the black beast before getting myself caught up in the semantics of immeasurable speed.
Mostly the creature coming from 2nd temporal dimension part. Which I guess Gillver and Medeus explained it better than I did.

 

[Vietthai96]

I think you misunderstood me. I never said "Simply existing on one" grants it, rather the ability to move through a 2nd temporal dimension should most definitely warrant one.

That is still not enough, you need to jump straight from the lower temporal dimension to the higher one via sheer speed. Move from the lower to the higher through some kind of medium doesn't grant the speed, or you can list every character with Time Travel have Immeasurable speed via Time Travel

 

[Ikelaggan]

That is still not enough, you need to jump straight from the lower temporal dimension to the higher one via sheer speed. Move from the lower to the higher through some kind of medium doesn't grant the speed, or you can list every character with Time Travel have Immeasurable speed via Time Travel

I mean if your jumping from 1st to 2nd in terms of temporal dimensions you'd just move in the 2nd. Like the 1st being a X axis and the 2nd being a Y axis moving in perpendicularly rather than only back and forth across the one line.

 

[Mr._Undetected]

If Observation is some context sensitive thing, then no. All of Glassman's scans still rely on people physically entering the boundary to get Immeasurable speed. Even if people are directly connected to it, I haven't seen anything that implies they still don't need to enter the Boundary to become Immeasurable.

So I would still be in support of a "X while in universe, Immeasurable while I'm Boundary" rating.

Saat ini sebagian besar karakter blazblue memiliki kecepatan yang luar biasa karena kemampuan mereka untuk berjalan melintasi batas. dikatakan bahwa jika suatu makhluk mampu melewati batas maka ia telah melampaui ruang waktu.

meskipun konteks melewati waktu/realitas di sini sama sekali tidak terkait dengan kecepatan, oleh karena itu kecepatan blazblue yang tak terukur akan dihapus. Perlu dicatat bahwa semua prestasi yang diberikan oleh Boundary tidak terkait dengan kecepatan semata dan sebaliknya mendukung perjalanan waktu dan kemampuan perjalanan dimensi.

Contoh karakter:

• hades izanami
• relius semanggi & DLL

*Sunting
Setuju: 7 (akuma, setsuna, sebenarnya spiderman, harith, thanatos, Hasty, megaraptor)
Netral: 1 (eineel)
Tidak Setuju: 8 (Glass, Gilver, Lightning, Deadguy, Curry, KING, Maverick, Shmooply

Currently mostly of blazblue character have immeasurable speed due to their feat of being able to walk across boundaries. it is said that if a being is able to pass through the boundary then he/she has transcended time space.

even though the context of passing time/reality here is completely unrelated to speed, therefore the immeasurable speed of blazblue will be deleted. It should be noted that all the feats given by Boundary are not related to sheer speed and instead support time travel and dimensional travel abilities.

Example character:

• hades izanami
• relius clover & ETC

*Edit
Agree: 7 (akuma, setsuna, actuallyspiderman, harith, thanatos, Hasty, megaraptor)
Neutral: 1 (einel)
Disagree: 8 (Glass, Gilver, Lightning, Deadguy, Curry, KING, Maverick, Shmooply)

Currently mostly of blazblue character have immeasurable speed due to their feat of being able to walk across boundaries. it is said that if a being is able to pass through the boundary then he/she has transcended time space.

even though the context of passing time/reality here is completely unrelated to speed, therefore the immeasurable speed of blazblue will be deleted. It should be noted that all the feats given by Boundary are not related to sheer speed and instead support time travel and dimensional travel abilities.

Example character:

• hades izanami
• relius clover & ETC

*Edit
Agree: 7 (akuma, setsuna, actuallyspiderman, harith, thanatos, Hasty, megaraptor)
Neutral: 1 (einel)
Disagree: 8 (Glass, Gilver, Lightning, Deadguy, Curry, KING, Maverick, Shmooply)

Agree

 

[Comicgyal]

I have some points to make still, give me a moment.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Not Knowledgeble about BB but from what i got from reading the thread is the characters gain Immeasurable Speed due to them capable to Trancending Space and Time when they are on the Boundary thing, correct?

 

[Comicgyal]

Yes, when in the boundary characters are capable of transcending time and space, and traveling to any point in time / any connected universe they choose. This is because the boundary is a place that’s connected to all dimensions in Blazblue. However there are characters who can do things like this without the boundary, such as Azrael whose dimensional prison existed in the same space as the embryo.
And was capable of walking through said space, and ripping his way through it. The embryo transcends space and time much like the boundary, the black beast, and many others.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Yes, when in the boundary characters are capable of transcending time and space, and traveling to any point in time / any connected universe they choose. This is because the boundary is a place that’s connected to all dimensions in Blazblue. However there are characters who can do things like this without the boundary, such as Azrael whose dimensional prison existed in the same space as the embryo.
And was capable of walking through said space, and ripping his way through it. The embryo transcends space and time much like the boundary, the black beast, and many others.

So its like the Boundary are amp the speed of anyone inside it?if that so then Ig they didnt had Immeasurable travel speed due to they cant do it alone but they should get Immeasurable speed in term of combat and react due to them can react and fight each other in the Boundary so

 

[Comicgyal]

So its like the Boundary are amp the speed of anyone inside it?if that so then Ig they didnt had Immeasurable travel speed due to they cant do it alone but they should get Immeasurable speed in term of combat and react due to them can react and fight each other in the Boundary so

No, the boundary doesn’t change their speed. If anything the boundary would nerf them because of the mass amount of seithr and information, that corrupts anyone who goes inside. It’s just easier for them to do feats like going through time, and going to other universes because the boundary is connected to all of them.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

No, the boundary doesn’t change their speed. If anything the boundary would nerf them because of the mass amount of seithr and information, that corrupts anyone who goes inside. It’s just easier for them to do feats like going through time, and going to other universes because the boundary is connected to all of them.

So without the Boundary they cant do it alone?

 

[Comicgyal]

So without the Boundary they cant do it alone?

That’s not the case, it’s just that the boundary makes it much simpler. Not to mention there’s a lot of other external factors that would prohibit some from traveling through time, like the master unit and it’s intervention. One good example, like mentioned above, is the black beast who can do those things naturally.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

That’s not the case, it’s just that the boundary makes it much simpler. Not to mention there’s a lot of other external factors that would prohibit some from traveling through time, like the master unit and it’s intervention. One good example, like mentioned above, is the black beast who can do those things naturally.

I see then the Immeasurable rating should fine,or using probably/likely key

 

[Megaraptor149]

I see then the Immeasurable rating should fine,or using probably/likely key

Youre "Karbit"

 

[Vietthai96]

So its like the Boundary are amp the speed of anyone inside it?if that so then Ig they didnt had Immeasurable travel speed due to they cant do it alone but they should get Immeasurable speed in term of combat and react due to them can react and fight each other in the Boundary so

Problem is, the Boundary doesn't amp anything, someone not have enough power fall into the Cauldron (gateway to the Boundary) will die. Boundary on the other hand like an underground tunnel, but connected to all point in time
But....that all

 

[Violatas]

Following
Interesting points all around. Def gonna be a controversial thread here lmao

I agree with the OP though

 

[Nobody234]

I dissagre with the downgrade and i agree with Comicgyal, because the point he bring up make the most sense.

The boundary is shown to never amp them in anyway throughout the series when they go inside it and it usually either corrupt or just delete anyone who go inside it instead.

 

[TokiNoOuja]

Problem is, the Boundary doesn't amp anything, someone not have enough power fall into the Cauldron (gateway to the Boundary) will die. Boundary on the other hand like an underground tunnel, but connected to all point in time
But....that all

I see if that so Ig the Immeasurable rating should be fine

 

[Vietthai96]

Go through a tunnel that connect all point in time doesn't mean Immeasurable speed. Or you can give the speed to all character that have time travel hax.

This thread actually showing the confusion in our current Immeasurable speed standard

 

[Fixxed]

Yes, when in the boundary characters are capable of transcending time and space, and traveling to any point in time / any connected universe they choose. This is because the boundary is a place that’s connected to all dimensions in Blazblue.

No, the boundary doesn’t change their speed. If anything the boundary would nerf them because of the mass amount of seithr and information, that corrupts anyone who goes inside. It’s just easier for them to do feats like going through time, and going to other universes because the boundary is connected to all of them.

Problem is, the Boundary doesn't amp anything, someone not have enough power fall into the Cauldron (gateway to the Boundary) will die. Boundary on the other hand like an underground tunnel, but connected to all point in time
But....that all

thanks for the explanation, I think this is enough to prove that this has nothing to do with speed, because if you are Ftl in the Normal universe, then you will remain ftl at the boundary and will not jump to immeasurable speed

That’s not the case, it’s just that the boundary makes it much simpler. Not to mention there’s a lot of other external factors that would prohibit some from traveling through time, like the master unit and it’s intervention. One good example, like mentioned above, is the black beast who can do those things naturally.

About blackbeast, can you send scans about "How" he through time

 

[Nobody234]

This doesn't prove anything though, because to travel through boundary you need Immeasurable speed because of it's nature, meaning they must be already Immeasurable before even entering the boundary in the first place, so traveling through boundary still a Immeasurable feat.

 

[Vietthai96]

This doesn't prove anything though, because to travel through boundary you need Immeasurable speed because of it's nature

When??, i don't remember anything back this up actually, aside from it is said that you need to access Boundary via the gateway which is the Cauldron, and if one doesn't strong enough they die. But again strong is a vague word

 

[Darksmash]

This doesn't prove anything though, because to travel through boundary you need Immeasurable speed because of it's nature, meaning they must be already Immeasurable before even entering the boundary in the first place, so traveling through boundary still a Immeasurable feat.

Not really. You can always make a hypothetical construct connected to all of time where even normal human level speed can take you from one moment of time to another. For example this is what happened at the end of the movie Interstellar.

 

[Urshani]

prove

Not really. You can always make a hypothetical construct connected to all of time where even normal human level speed can take you from one moment of time to another. For example this is what happened at the end of the movie Interstellar.

this happened in blazblue