Immeasurable speed blazblue downgrade

[QuasiYuri]

So what differentiates traveling through time with speed and traveling through time with hax cause even when I brought up the Take Mikazuchi here traversing time and even with the statement with relius's feat of transcending time and space from time traveling through the boundary and it implied giving people this feat of power to do this once they fall through it. Why doesn't it add up to immeasurable speed?

The link doesn't work.

Also it all falls down to why they can travel through time. Is it because they are reeeeeeal fast, or is it because they had some connection to the Boundary? If it isn't the former, then it's not Immeasurable speed.

 

[Ikelaggan]

The link doesn't work.

Also it all falls down to why they can travel through time. Is it because they are reeeeeeal fast, or is it because they had some connection to the Boundary? If it isn't the former, then it's not Immeasurable speed.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/immeasurable-speed-blazblue-downgrade.131371/post-4493223
I say it's the lesser end of the latter cause it's more logical to say that they get faster after going through it essentially like spiderman get bit by a radioactive spider except replace spider with Seither and spider powers with speed to go through time.

Seithr

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[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

@Promestein Then a lot of pages need changes if that's the case since they just have being a resident of a realm and can move through time as a result

@QuasiYuri Because it's them perceiving numerous things? Which would be a reaction thing at best? But if that's not enough then FTL with infinite reaction speed would be the best spot for them.

So, uh, once again—no. The people Ren fights? They’re not only just residents of The Expanse, but are part of The Expanse themselves, literally composing its existence.

While it's too dangerous to try and conjecture the state of affairs in the demon world based on our own knowledge of this one, my theory is that the demon world is like a colloidal conglomeration of countless mini-universes, each centered around a powerful demon. Most likely, with Loki's death, the mini-universe in contact with Japan or Tokyo vanished, and Set's mini-universe entered to take its place. Demon summoning is just opening a contact point between the two worlds at the same time.

With these universes literally deconstructing after their defeat. Given we already accept The Expanse as transcending past, present, and future, on multiple occasions:

Asuka
"Didn't you tell me that demons don't have any power in the human world?"

Abaddon
"Yes, I did. It's a story I can't seem to get over. Perhaps Lord Aeacos knows the real reason."

Asuka
"This demon Aeacos, where is he?"

Abaddon
"A world beyond time and space... In our world... We used to call that world the demon world."

Throughout the entire series as a whole:

Mom..." The minute the word left his lips, his body became as a drop of condensation in a mist and he was wrapped in a feeling of pure extacy. The mist enshrouding Nakajima quietly moved toward the void. There was no distance or time there.

And visually shown, which an explicit higher-dimensional difference is stated.

I don’t think it’s very fair to compare Ren to this, in which he doesn’t rely on a realm, and fights people who are fragments of that realm itself. Once again, please, this is a BlazBlue CRT — keep it to BlazBlue.

 

[Catpija]

agree

 

[Comicgyal]

Can someone summarize the main points? If not I’ll just read.

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Can someone summarize the main points? If not I’ll just read.

So basically, this thread is a mess.

 

[Comicgyal]

As expected.

 

[Promestein]

I'm still siding with Yuri here. I like the way he words it; that it's a consequence of Immeasurable speed, not the cause of it. Given the context and the specificity of the environment the feats are portrayed in it's clearly more sensible to treat it as a property of the Boundary. They're not doing it through speed and that much is clear; I haven't seen any statement implying as such, beyond vague statements regarding time there being wonky, which doesn't necessarily correlate to any speed whatsoever.

 

[Megaraptor149]

So basically, this thread is a mess.

looks like fighting arena

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

@Promestein Then a lot of pages need changes if that's the case since they just have being a resident of a realm and can move through time as a result

@QuasiYuri Because it's them perceiving numerous things? Which would be a reaction thing at best? But if that's not enough then FTL with infinite reaction speed would be the best spot for them.

Eru Speed is getting g downgraded anyway so why bring him up.Milly already explained the persona one.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Who cares? What does it have to do with the thread? If he wants to return, no one stops him.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Milly_Rocking_Bandit that doesn’t sound any different than fighting the black beast who is a part of a realm beyond space and time, and yet that’s being rejected.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I’ll have to reread/wait for the arguments, because I haven’t seen it so far. If you can quote where it starts & is rejected, lmk.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Milly_Rocking_Bandit right here, you’ll see the replies if you scroll down or get to the next page.

 

[Fixxed]

thanks to Quasi and promestein for the input

Agree: 14 (akuma, setsuna, actuallyspiderman, harith, thanatos, Hasty, megaraptor, pain_12, ultra_instinct_issei, catpija, darksmash, antvasima, Yuri, promestein)
Neutral: 3 (einel, velox, vietthai)
Disagree: 9 (Glass, Gilver, Lightning, Deadguy, Curry, KING, Maverick, Shmooply, ikelaggan)

i think qawsed agree with downgrade, and waiting for current ddm opinion (?)

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Question, what’s the problem to them scaling to the Black Beast, since it’s recurrently stated to the The Boundary.

 

[Vietthai96]

Question, what’s the problem to them scaling to the Black Beast, since it’s recurrently stated to the The Boundary.

Black Beast is the Cauldron that go wrong, and Cauldron is the gate to Boundary. That the thing though

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I don’t know BlazBlue like that, so, I can’t exactly argue or disagree. I’ll remain neutral, but I’ll wait for Glass.

 

[Antvasima]

I strongly agree with Promestein and QuasiYuri.

Is somebody here willing to remove all of the immeasurable speed ratings for the BlazBlue characters? I would appreciate the help.

 

[Ikelaggan]

Black Beast is the Cauldron that go wrong, and Cauldron is the gate to Boundary. That the thing though

That's right but also the Black Beasts have two known origins - the imperfect fusion of an Azure Grimoire with a Boundary Interface Prime Field Device or as a primordial and malevolent being that exists within the Boundary.
But that's mostly due this thing being omnipresent through like all the infinite timelines and it's neither inside or outside of the boundary cause it's technically in both since it has independent origins due to its timeline mess it causes

 

[Vietthai96]

That's right but also the Black Beasts have two known origins - the imperfect fusion of an Azure Grimoire with a Boundary Interface Prime Field Device or as a primordial and malevolent being that exists within the Boundary.
But that's mostly due this thing being omnipresent through like all the infinite timelines and it's neither inside or outside of the boundary cause it's technically in both since it has independent origins due to its timeline mess it causes

But iirc, the current scaling is the imperfected Black Beast, who is the result of the fusion between Ragna and Nu-12

 

[EinelRendezvous]

The downgrade did work? Woah next will be Persona

 

[EinelRendezvous]

Is somebody here willing to remove all of the immeasurable speed ratings for the BlazBlue characters? I would appreciate the help.

I can help that.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

The downgrade did work? Woah next will be Persona

Feel free to make a thread.

 

[AkumaNoHissatsu]

Keep calm and ganbatte kudasai ne!

For BB supporters

 

[BleedingPeach]

The downgrade did work? Woah next will be Persona

It won't gonna go wrong but DREADFUL. Basically, it's going to fail

 

[Fixxed]

I strongly agree with Promestein and QuasiYuri.

Is somebody here willing to remove all of the immeasurable speed ratings for the BlazBlue characters? I would appreciate the help.

- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Relius_Clover (locked)

- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hades_Izanami (locked

- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ragna_the_Bloodedge (locked)
- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Noel_Vermillion (Infinite speed in here seem sus, page locked)

-https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Kagura_Mutsuki (Done)

-https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Jin_Kisaragi?veaction=edit&section=2 (done)

- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tsubaki_Yayoi (Done)

- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Litchi_Faye-Ling (Done)

- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hibiki_Kohaku (Done, unknown speed)

- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Hazama (Done)

And etc, wait for me until tomorrow, or if there are other volunteers who want to help. Here is the list

Valkenhayn R. Hellsing

Valkenhayn R. Hellsing, also known as the Sagacious Gray Wolf, is Rachel Alucard’s elderly butler and trusted adviser who has served the Alucard family line for generations, as well as one of the Six Heroes. He first became playable as a DLC character in BlazBlue: Continuum Shift. His life-force...

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Hakumen

Hakumen is one of the main characters in the Blazblue series, as well as the leader of the Six Heroes. He was originally Jin Kisaragi in an alternate timeline where Noel Vermillion did not exist, until he met Rachel Alucard, who saved his life from Nu-13 and offered him a chance to be a hero. He...

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Jubei

At that day, I couldn't do anything. I was shaken by sheer fear of it. I wasn't able to do anything while my comrades were eaten by it. I want power. I don't care if it's Ars Magus, or any kind of weapon. If Nox Nyctores isn't developed, I will die only as a person with courage. Courage.... is...

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Nine the Phantom

Konoe Ayatsuki Mercury, more commonly known as Nine, is a witch, one of the Six Heroes, and one of the Ten Sages. After her supposed death by the hands of Yūki Terumi, Konoe mysteriously came back as the servant of Hades Izanami, Phantom. Nine is the mother of Kokonoe and the wife of Jubei...

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Platinum the Trinity

Platinum the Trinity is a girl with two (technically three) souls named Luna and Sena. She became a playable character starting as a DLC for BlazBlue: Continuum Shift. Platinum has three split personalities: The first is Luna, a rude girl with a stubborn attitude that hates Ragna, but admires...

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Yūki Terumi

The man known only as Yūki Terumi (ユウキ＝テルミ) is the true main antagonist of the BlazBlue series and a former member of the Six Heroes alongside Hakumen, Valkenhayn, Nine, Jubei and Trinity Glassfille, as well as the creator of the Azure Grimoire. He is also the founder of both the Novus Orbis...

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[AkumaNoHissatsu]

Connection terminated
I am sorry to interupt you all

(Infinite speed in here seem sus, page locked)

This, is very suspicious, the scans is actually explaining about spatial manipulation without any speed *****, piercing trough space? Sum spatial manipulation things

Infinite attack speed (Arcus Diabolus Bolverk is capable of piercing through space to attack where the user wants to attack regardless of obstacles and barriers, essentially ignoring distance altogether).

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Ya, that's just spatial manipulation, nothing states those attacks happen in zero time.

 

[Ikelaggan]

But iirc, the current scaling is the imperfected Black Beast, who is the result of the fusion between Ragna and Nu-12

Yes, but this the same one that's causing the same infinite loop across the infinite timelines. Plus, relius's feat is more in context of him combating the flow of time with sheer speed in context of him not aging while being since the boundary in glass's anology of how the boundary is like a ocean with it's atmosphere being time it's a safer assumption that relius swam through this atmosphere of time with his sheer speed to not get aged into dust cause the boundary and the gates both aren't time machines with set dates on them and he was able to deduct which time period he was swimming to and from during the cauldron incident.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here. I have unlocked all of the Tier 1 BlazBlue pages.

What speed levels are the characters being changed to instead, and do you link to the right calculation blogs to justify the new ratings?

 

[Vietthai96]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here. I have unlocked all of the Tier 1 BlazBlue pages.

What speed levels are the characters being changed to instead, and do you link to the right calculation blogs to justify the new ratings?

I think we should wait for Glass responses, i don't think we should rush to change speed rating, the thread is not going anywhere

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I think it was way too hastily to accept and unlock profiles.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I don't think that there is much to argue about regarding Promestein's and QuasiYuri's very solid points, and that we have gone in circles regarding this discussion for long enough already, but I would appreciate input from other staff members of course.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I don't think that there is much to argue about regarding Promestein's and QuasiYuri's very solid points, and that we have gone in circles regarding this discussion for long enough already, but I would appreciate input from other staff members of course.

@Qawsedf234 @DarkDragonMedeus @Theglassman12

What do you think?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Glass hasn’t even responded, and I still think his points on the Black Beast should be adequately responded to.

 

[Vietthai96]

Well, I don't think that there is much to argue about regarding Promestein's and QuasiYuri's very solid points, and that we have gone in circles regarding this discussion for long enough already, but I would appreciate input from other staff members of course.

I understand, but we rushing this feel bad to me, Promestein and QuasiYuri made a solid point yes, but we should give Blazblue supporters have chance to present their counterarguments and evidences

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I remember DDM agreeing with Glass, and Qawsedf compromising for immeasurable + time travel ability in Boundry and and immeasurable speed only while outside without time travel ability.

Correct me if I am wrong, since I haven't followed this thread today.

 

[Antvasima]

I understand, but we rushing this feel bad to me, Promestein and QuasiYuri made a solid point yes, but we should give Blazblue supporters have chance to present their counterarguments and evidences

Okay. Let's wait with applying these revisions for a while then.

 

[Theglassman12]

@Antvasima people are still arguing, I know several who wants to make an argument here before it’s done. How about wait until we’re all done and then apply the changes?

@Milly_Rocking_Bandit barely any comment is made about the black beast beyond “boundary reliance”, which again doesn’t make any sense when it’s a part of the boundary to begin with.