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Not at all, explained why in previous comments.
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@QuasiYuri i severely doubt you did because one of the feats has absolutely nothing to do with the boundary at all. It’s literally just perceive the entire past present and future all at once across infinite realities to keep it alive.
@Qawsedf234 the context is they’re perceiving all of existence across the past present and future to make sure it all exists. That’s what Observation is, keeping anything from non existing by constantly observing them.
@Qawsedf234 the context is they’re perceiving all of existence across the past present and future to make sure it all exists. That’s what Observation is, keeping anything from non existing by constantly observing them.
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This one isn't even a speed feat in the first place. Why would I mention it when referring to speed rating?
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We don't give other characters Infinite or Immeasurable reaction speed for perceiving infinite futures, so we wouldn't give it here. If they are only capable of time traveling and what not within the Boundary, then it's a property of the Boundary and not an intrinsic ability or a speed feat.
I agree with Yuri. We've been over this in the past and it's something I discussed in past Infinite / Immeasurable speed standard discussions; moving in such 'spaces' can be an ability, the ability to adapt to and move within such spaces, and not necessarily a matter of speed.
I agree with Yuri. We've been over this in the past and it's something I discussed in past Infinite / Immeasurable speed standard discussions; moving in such 'spaces' can be an ability, the ability to adapt to and move within such spaces, and not necessarily a matter of speed.
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@Promestein Then a lot of pages need changes if that's the case since they just have being a resident of a realm and can move through time as a result
@QuasiYuri Because it's them perceiving numerous things? Which would be a reaction thing at best? But if that's not enough then FTL with infinite reaction speed would be the best spot for them.
@QuasiYuri Because it's them perceiving numerous things? Which would be a reaction thing at best? But if that's not enough then FTL with infinite reaction speed would be the best spot for them.
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It wouldn't. That's like saying dudes with high range Clairvoyance or Omniscience should've speed ratings based on that, which obviously make no sense.
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It's a matter of context. I dunno about those pages but the context doesn't support this.
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I'd still hold my stance on the black beast and the Take Mikazuchi being exceptions to rule on this back and forth on the boundary cause the inside of the Take Mikazuchi has irregular time inside couldn't be perceived as going slow or going fast, essentially time to it's very physiology is literally immeasurable.
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I mean, no, it's not necessarily Immeasurable... it's just weird.
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No, it would be immeasurable speed cause time you know T in D/T=S in this case is undfineable, uncalculatble, and hence immeasurable speed.
((Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed.))
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Speed is simply how fast a character can move in a given amount of time. There are five types of speed used for VS purposes: Attack Speed, Combat Speed, Reaction Speed, Travel Speed, and Flight Speed. The term "Speed" normally refers to Combat Speed. The speed at which an attack moves. For...
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Comes in one ear and goes out the other.
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We don't slap Immeasurable just on anything that follows time differently, especially not when the context of other characters isn't consistent with Immeasurable. You don't see Immeasurable Goosebumps characters for following Monster Time.
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The time here isn't measurable cause these beings are on a high temporal dimension which to a lower one wouldn't be comprehensible at all cause The main purpose of the Embryo is to open up the Gate to the Boundary and draw out its power meaning those all properties from the boundary which most of everyone trying to bar off this speed to be location specific would be in their physiology.
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The Embryo (蒼の繭(エンブリオ)[1]／蒼の胚(エンブリオ)[2], Enburio, Cocoon of the (Pale) Blue[1] / Embryo of the (Pale) Blue[2]) is a crystallization of the Blue created from over ten thousand souls.[3] The Embryo is a human girl with blue eyes and the power of Event Interferences. Because of that, she was sought...
This isn't even applicable to compare with at all that's purely a name fallacy.
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Agree with Prom.
Also I would think it's quite obvious that not being able to calc S=T/D isn't the reason that gives you Immeasurable; but only the consequence of having Immeasurable.
Immeasurable is bullshit to begin with, but I don't think its qualifications are really hard to understand.
Also I would think it's quite obvious that not being able to calc S=T/D isn't the reason that gives you Immeasurable; but only the consequence of having Immeasurable.
Immeasurable is bullshit to begin with, but I don't think its qualifications are really hard to understand.
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Then what does? being above linear time? Multiple temporal dimensions? Speed that can't be measured?
Cause you can't seem to make your mind on what counts for the definition if your against how the definitions used.
Then go make a separate CRT on getting immeasurable speed changed entirely from the ground up if you think whatever version of immeasurable speed I'm saying is completely bs.
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I always say that Immeasurable speed is bs (because it is), but everything I've said so far is based on our current criterias.
And you just are misunderstanding the current standard. Not being able to be calc is a consequence, not the cause. Having different time flows isn't multiple temporal dimensions. And needing to go through a specific place to travel through time isn't the same as doing it through your every moment.
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Being able to go beyond time using movement, in a scan without any relation to Boundary scaling.
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Then why is it never stated in the page or any qna links of D/T=S and T being immeasurable ever stated to be the effect and not the cause. Cause you can't have it be a silent arbitrary rule that's just unspoken and not on the page cause by that logic the wording in the raw definition should be wrong by your logic yet is still unchanged.
Then how can you that different in this scenario cause a different flow of time would just be different universe's spacetime continuum not something that's above it.
This is why I bring up the black beast and Take Mikazuchi cause they draw power from that specific place which allows them to physically go through time and not to mention going through is still considered a feat of transcending time which unless there's some clear word bias to the word transcend and every synonym related to the word it would still count as movement beyond linear time since beyond is another synonym to the word transcend unless you have underlying bias to the "Movement beyond linear time" portion being incorrect or some type of figure speed (which makes no sense to put flowery language in a definition that's clearly being taken literally in context to time)
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"This is why the speed cannot be measured" already is a sentence you would only use for a consequence, not a cause. You wouldn't say "this is why" for a cause.
I don't really understand your sentence. But there's nothing indicating supplementary dimensions of time.
"transcending time" is common talking for traveling through time, so it wouldn't really make much of a difference.
And from your scans I don't really see them shifting between periods with their movements or stuff. Just being able to use the energy from a place to achieve time travel isn't much different from using it as a gateway.
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Yeah, but you just dodge around what causes the effect by making the effect the cause. Essentially making a answer out of a question.
I was saying how can you tell in this scenario the difference between a different universes flow of time or a higher temporal dimension.
How is that common talk, cause plenty of people treat it like a taboo word that shouldn't be used for immeasurable speed so I say the opposite and this a major issue that's going to cycling cause common talk is interchangeable language not axiom law meaning it can be reinterpreted as multiple temporal dimensions in one common talk and time travel in the other which only on the pure whim of numbers in groups out shouting the opposite side saying the other which is going to cycle back and forth.
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I don't think HIGH TEMPORAL DIMENSION or whatever like that doesn't count as immeasurable *****, immeasurable is when your sheer speed can make you move so fast that make you can't go freely in time (past, present, future) that was wierd analogy AF
You're so strawmanning here
@QuasiYuri is actually said that Immeasurable speed term was some crazy ***** but it's easy to understand, doesn't mean Yuri "don't" Like immeasurable speed term
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For now QuasYuri explanation is making sense
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Unless your gonna explain to me without spewing hot aurbitary claims like "I don't think" or literally pulling a strawman yourself to try and dismantle my argument when your broken English is on (doesn't mean Yuri "don't" like immeasurable speed term) when your argument isn't clear on what your try to dismantle when I've been using terms on this page so your whim of not agreeing with multiple temporal is problem you have to take whoever's in charge of speed page cause I'm just following what fits on the page not what you feel shouldn't be followed on the page.. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Speed
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Plain English: You want Immeasurable Speed then, show a scan of them moving beyond time unrelated to the Boundary. No relying on abstract terms like Transcended Time and Space, if they really are Immeasurable there should be plenty of feats of them using their Immeasurable speed outside of the Boundary.
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The Boundary is where most who came into contact received their abilities, which is a side effect of receiving vast amount of information from the said place.
Meaning you jump into the boundary and gain the scaling for entering it as well as observing it. So there's no gatekeeping around scaling from the boundary cause you clearly appealing to ignorance that the boundary can grant immeasurable speed cause it follows this universally accepted rule of being movement beyond linear time which you've blocking every other definition of immeasurable on the speed page but that.
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The Boundary (境界(きょうかい／はざま), Kyōkai/Hazama) is the place of origin, and the place where Murakumo Units are smelted. It is a world beyond the Sheol Gate. It’s a complex space of infinite information dating back to the very beginning, connecting all dimensions, and it’s filled with magic element...
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I don't really what I am dodging here.
There's just nothing indicating a higher temporal dimension. I don't see why I should assume that's what happen here.
By common talk I mean it's a frequent expression used in relation to time. What it means depend on context. I honestly don't really care about people fighting over that fact.
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Oh nah I clearly meant I dislike Immeasurable speed and think it should be nuked.
However, it is also true that the current standards are easy to understand. And I'm obviously abiding to them in my arguments.
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Well, even though i know the verse, i'm neutral to this, Boundary is a weird thing.
Also for people who think that somehow higher temporal dimension allow for Immeasurable speed, it is not actually, it is like you swiming in the river that have faster flow than the river that have slower flow, but you have the speed rating of the river that have faster flow. You need to bypass linear time by your own speed, not using the special environment or we can just make all time travel user also have Immeasurable speed. In the case of using higher temporal dimension, it should be via your own speed, as you bypass the restriction of lower temporal dimension and jump straight to higher temporal dimension via sheer movement/speed, at that point your speed can not be measured thus Immeasurable.
One more, what QuasiYuri said is right, the speed formula can't be measured is the result of your speed, not the cause
Also for people who think that somehow higher temporal dimension allow for Immeasurable speed, it is not actually, it is like you swiming in the river that have faster flow than the river that have slower flow, but you have the speed rating of the river that have faster flow. You need to bypass linear time by your own speed, not using the special environment or we can just make all time travel user also have Immeasurable speed. In the case of using higher temporal dimension, it should be via your own speed, as you bypass the restriction of lower temporal dimension and jump straight to higher temporal dimension via sheer movement/speed, at that point your speed can not be measured thus Immeasurable.
One more, what QuasiYuri said is right, the speed formula can't be measured is the result of your speed, not the cause
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Then you clearly have hugely opposed bias towards me defending immeasurable speed which you can't back peddle cause you just admit to having clear hate to the tier and approved getting it removed.
How can you abide to the rules when you have bias towards it and then say current standards are easy when there's been this constant abrasion on the current standards and not every standard being a outspoken rule that easy to understand with more unspoken rules that aren't easy to understand. I can say I'm following current standards off of what's said in the speed page with everything said in the QnA links but you can say "I'm following the current standards" but they can be any rule that contradicts the what's said on the speed page or have no clear distinction of language since transcend is clearly looked at as abstract word but not put down as a specific rule against using the word interly. That's the equivalent of making a new fence post for everything I say, which makes this debate entirely one sided no matter what I say to you at this point cause we're not on the ground here.
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This what I mean by unspoken rules that make new fence posts against my arguments, the ground is not equal. No one wants to know the full context behind verse specific thing and over generalize it to dismantle it by saying "it's weird" or "I don't know" unequal ground of knowledge here.
A whole new rule and anology against specifically the temporal dimensions aspect of immeasurable speed from a "neutral" party.
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Me thinking Immeasurable speed shouldn't be a thing isn't a secret to anyone tho..? I'm reminding it everytime the subject is brought up. I just know how to remain objective. If anything, it would make me one of the people who paid the most attention to the working of this rating.
I don't see why I should have a bias tho. Whether Immeasurable speed should be a thing or not is one thing. What falls under the current definition used is another.
Anyway it all comes down to you not liking some of the wording. There's no reason to create a rule against the word "transcend", since it all comes down to context and can be supporting evidence. I would call that common sense.
I don't think I used anything that isn't already in the Speed page or just basic stuff that apply to anything in fiction either, so I don't see what's your problem here.
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I'm not saying any of this cause I'm not the one trying to bar of wordings behind a goal post.
How can you call it common sense when I can the context to "transcend" means it's going above but you immediately rebuttal and say it's can't be used I'm that type of context at all. Your commen sense has no common ground here.
Intentionally or unintentionally you technically are cause (Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined the speed formula cannot be applied. This is the same reason why multiple temporal dimensions also grant immeasurable speed. As a whole is treated clearly abstractly to too many different interpretations that changes on a whim of what abstractly counts as time. Pretty much everyone's rebuttals against me changes the context behind movement beyond linear time as something else or this specific can't context be used.
The wide gap on what can be said and what can't be said is still onesided.
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(Take-Mikazuchi is stated and shown to have a lot of similarities to the Black Beast, and The black beast is a living cauldron, the gateway to the boundary, and was capable of traversing through time in every single timeline reset in Calamity Trigger)
He's traversing time in this, the one requirement for immeasurable that even ActuallySpaceMan keeps saying we need over and over we need to do.
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bar of wordings? Wdym?
I said it depend on context. And that here it is used to refer to the ability to time travel as far as I know.
"what abstractly counts as time."? Time is time.
And I'm pretty sure that "movement beyond linear time" is expended on in the further infos section.
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So what differentiates traveling through time with speed and traveling through time with hax cause even when I brought up the Take Mikazuchi here traversing time and even with the statement with relius's feat of transcending time and space from time traveling through the boundary and it implied giving people this feat of power to do this once they fall through it. Why doesn't it add up to immeasurable speed?
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