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Illumina major downgrade

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So should we close this thread and go to the 2-B one? Most of the arguments were rejected in the last thread and new ones weren't made.
 
Oh,Sleep Dreams are certainly still very important in this case,all I'm saying is that the notion that Maginaryworld is only composed of aspirations doesn't invalidate the number of worlds that lie within,as a matter of fact it just increases the level of 2-B.
 
Yeah, I think it's more or less settled that Illumina's 2-B is staying. I think we can go back to discussing weather or not Solaris, Super Sonic, etc... scale.
 
Now that this thread isn't (hopefully) done we can now finish off the 2-B upgrade thread and make some dumb matchups like Sonic vs The Grey Goo
 
I mean, still no. One, this is reliant on the fact that Matt doesn't change his mind, and this could be solved by asking him. Two, there's kinda cherry picking his statements in that as he also said that Solaris for sure doesn't scale to anything about Maginaryworld.

And even then, there's serious double standards that would apply if we rely on Matt's statements. For one, I can name a metric ton of verses that "have a sky and a star" yet aren't treated as full on universes but instead pocket dimensions of lesser size. Kirby, Touhou, Zelda, GoW, Kid Icarus, Pre-3 Kingdom Hearts, etc.
 
@Cal But Solaris isn't the topic of this thread though, it's about Maginaryworld being 2-B.

Just throwing around the names of other verses doesn't really mean much. The worlds inside Maginaryworld are 4D constructs. Inside them, they are shown to contain numerous stars and they even show the outline of a galaxy in the mini-games. Viewing the worlds from the outside, they are shown as having their own bubbles, with all those stars inside being invisible, as 3D objects would have a geometrical size of 0 in a 4D plane. While they don't say universe, it doesn't have to be spelled out for you when clearly what is being conveyed is that each world is meant to represent a universe.

@Kukui I did mention before why Naruto is a bad example. Even then, it's an outlier.
 
I forced got Ever to respond eventually.

"I believe that there is no sufficient proof that the worlds in Maginaryworld are universes, or anything other than pocket realities, regardless of whether they have celestial bodies. One of them being "Fourth Dimension Space" is just world salad and doesn't particularly prove anything."

-The Everlasting
 
@Everyone Even if the 2-B bit was settled, we'd still have other topics in the thread to discuss. While I want this thread to pass as much as anybody else, brushing the rest of this off would be rude to Cal. C'mon, we're better than that.
 
The real cal howard said:
I forced got Ever to respond eventually.
"I believe that there is no sufficient proof that the worlds in Maginaryworld are universes, or anything other than pocket realities, regardless of whether they have celestial bodies. One of them being "Fourth Dimension Space" is just world salad and doesn't particularly prove anything."

-The Everlasting
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I never got an answer to this so I'll ask again.

No offense to The Everlasting still, but he's no longer on this site because of reasons. So why is his word still taken as anything here?
 
ShakeResounding said:
@Everyone Even if the 2-B bit was settled, we'd still have other topics in the thread to discuss. While I want this thread to pass as much as anybody else, brushing the rest of this off would be rude to Cal. C'mon, we're better than that.
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Thanks, man. Also that makes you better than me. I ain't better than that.
 
DarkDragonMedeus said:
Because he's still been extremely helpful despite that. And plenty of us are still in touch with him.
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With all due respect to what he's been helpful with in the past, what does that have to do with still having an influential word here when...he's no longer here?

I dont deny that Everlasting has been a great help before, but I find it out of place to take the opinion of someone whos not even on the site (anymore) and apply it just because he did great service to the wikia. That would be no different than me being in-contact with someone who thinks a lot of our statistics are wanked and applying their word to change them, which we obviously would never accept.
 
Alright just to clarify have we passed the AP stuff yet? so we can move to 2-B Solaris and Hog stuff as Ant asked me to message him about this stuff.
 
Still? I think Cal's reasons are piss poor at best. I mean he thinks Illumina shouldn't have void manipulation cause we never saw it. That's the equivalent of Lloyd Garmadon not gaining all the powers of the FSM cause he never shows off having those powers on screen even though he's powered by the same energy as the FSM.
 
Are you really questioning if someone needs to show an ability to get it? The FSM thing is a false equivalency, bud. She can have all the powers of Void, it's still just a name, unless you think Infinite is High 3-A.
 
As the person who made Illumina's profile in the first place I agree she shouldn't be 2-B. Much less use her to scale to ******* Solaris since Shuffle is a non-canon spin-off. ******* desperate fans.
 
That was rather harsh, but not only do we have Everlasting saying there's no proof if her feat being 2-B, there's the idea of it being Non-Canon. Though, I vaguely recall a discussion on the latter, but no one's 2-B for sure.
 
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