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Which outright proves that Fourth Dimension Space doesn't contain the other worlds.The real cal howard said:
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False. Oh so false.
If I said I'm heading into outer space, does that mean Earth isn't in outer space?
If I said I'm heading into outer space, does that mean Earth isn't in outer space?
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Yeah I have no idea what your talking about. She says that their heading into the 4th dimension. Anyway, even if the dreams they were in before were 3D, there's clearly not just one 4D dream.
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Is the fourth dimensions explained better in the Archie Comics, because based off the game it doesn't seem to have any feats of being fourth dimensional and just seems to be Illumina's dream which is called the fourth dimension, the only thing that might point towards it being higher dimensional is if it contained all the dream worlds, and even then the dream worlds don't really seem to have any feats of being bigger than a solar system at best which doesn't help prove its a fourth dimension in anything but name.
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"All countries exist separately. Does that's mean they're entirely separate universes?"
You need your mod privileges revoked lol
You need your mod privileges revoked lol
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Saying their separate adds no weight.
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Violet. Calm down. I know Cal makes mistakes from time to time, but that sort of thing can get you banned.
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I was only joking about the mod part lol, but still that quote is just so dumb. Even for a regular VSBW member... Like wow...
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Yeah. It kind of is, I'll also admit.
But yeah, Countries don't even exist seperately. Most of them are connected by land.
But yeah, Countries don't even exist seperately. Most of them are connected by land.
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And? Galaxies are separate.
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Do those bubbles look anything like galaxies to you? Lol.
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What bubbles are you talking about? And please don't straw man I wasn't calling them Galaxies I was say that calling something separate does NOT equate to separate space time continuums.
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Obviously I'm talking about the worlds they fly past when they're travelling to Fourth Dimension Space. They're all presented as existing in their own bubbles.
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Are you serious? Those bubbles are literally smaller than the characters. Those objects in the distance are dreams that look like stars.
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This again? They're obviously not smaller than the characters because they can go inside them and they each have their own night skies filled with numerous stars. They only appear that small from the outside because of aesthetics.
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That's pure ridiculousness. It's very clear that they can go inside some of them but the dreams are shown to vary in size because they're literally shown to be right next to the cast and way smaller than them. If all of them were supposed to be universe sized then they would definitely be way bigger than the characters. And I said already that a day and night cycle is irrelevant because:
A. Either the celestial objects we see in the sky are the other dreams.
Or B. They contain stars but that's multi solar system level.
A. Either the celestial objects we see in the sky are the other dreams.
Or B. They contain stars but that's multi solar system level.
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"If they were supposed to be universe sized they would definitely be way bigger than the characters"
You're kinda reaching at this point. Ever heard of pocket dimensions?
You're kinda reaching at this point. Ever heard of pocket dimensions?
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Seems like what I said appears to have flown right over your head. They don't vary in size as they are visually shown to be the same size when they fly past them.
"Multi-solar system level."
Seems you didn't take this into account, and that would still not be "smaller than the characters" which you are supposedly claiming.
"Multi-solar system level."
Seems you didn't take this into account, and that would still not be "smaller than the characters" which you are supposedly claiming.
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Well yeah a dimension full of pocket dimensions is not multiversal.The Smashor said:
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@Shadow what you linked was the map to the 4D space which holds the dreams. You keep saying "Oh they go inside of them" even though they're never shown going inside of the little ones. I said that they vary in size because there are little ones, ones that look like stars and the ones that they went inside of. The only thing that is implied to be a universe is the 4D space and that holds all the dreams.
You are quite literally denying everything I say with bull shit.
You are quite literally denying everything I say with bull shit.
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@Zamasu Calm down, man. I don't think I need to say anything else.
That goes for everybody. You don't need to respond if you're gonna do it when you're angry or frustrated, it only makes things more difficult.
That goes for everybody. You don't need to respond if you're gonna do it when you're angry or frustrated, it only makes things more difficult.
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Again, Fourth Dimensional Space is one of the worlds in Maginaryworld. They do not vary in size as they are shown to be the same size in the cutscene, and Sonic mentions travelling through them.
Also, Fire Bird.
I'm denying everything you're saying because it's wrong information being repeated ad-nauseam.
Also, Fire Bird.
I'm denying everything you're saying because it's wrong information being repeated ad-nauseam.
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You just completely contradicted yourself. You're arguing that the dreams in the 4D space are universes and you're arguing that the 4D space is just one of many universes. It's either one or the other buddy. It just shows that you're spitting out whatever nonsensical headcanon comes to mind.
Can you elaborate on Fire Bird?
Can you elaborate on Fire Bird?
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My argument the whole time has been that Fourth Dimension Space is one of the many universes inside Maginaryworld.
What I showed there in Fire Bird is what appears to be the outline of a galaxy, with all the visible stars, gas, and dust in the background.
What I showed there in Fire Bird is what appears to be the outline of a galaxy, with all the visible stars, gas, and dust in the background.
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> Again, Fourth Dimensional Space is one of the worlds in Maginaryworld.
Is contradicted twice. Give me proof that goes against Lumina's word.
Is contradicted twice. Give me proof that goes against Lumina's word.
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Except it's not contradicted lol. Maginaryworld is what holds all the worlds, Fourth Dimension Space is just one of them.
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Countries are also very different from each other. Like you can't tell me the USA is basically a Mexico.Zamasu Chan said:
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I wasn't even the one who made the country comment.
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Ik. I just wanna put my input in that part of the convo
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And the conflict never ends... :/
Anyway since this thread is at a stalemate, I like to remind folks to remain civil, leave behind any bad blood from previous threads and try to be as objective as possible.
I'm not that good at debating tbh and some scaling/calculations go r/woooosh over my head but that's why I'm here to watch and learn by example.
Anyway since this thread is at a stalemate, I like to remind folks to remain civil, leave behind any bad blood from previous threads and try to be as objective as possible.
I'm not that good at debating tbh and some scaling/calculations go r/woooosh over my head but that's why I'm here to watch and learn by example.
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@Cal, did the Everlasting say anything about this thread?
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Are we allowed to use statements from the Archie adaptation?
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> Fourth Dimensional Space is one of the worlds. Unless you want to say planets in Kirby are room sized then aesthetics are irrelevant.
https://youtu.be/ky_HXf3PH9Q at 5:57 Sonic and Lumina point out the worlds they traveled to.
> Obviously I'm talking about the worlds they fly past when they're travelling to Fourth Dimension Space. They're all presented as existing in their own bubbles.
Doesn't matter if pocket dimensions exist, and do you have scans?
"It is a dream world created from the dreams of people in other dimensions."
From the Sonic wiki. A dimension made of dreams.
"Fourth Dimension Space is the realm where the dreams of everyone are stored."
The 4D space and the Maginaryworld are described very similarly. Both are stated to contain dreams. The wiki, Lumina and Sonic all say the worlds are in the 4D space. The worlds themselves aren't universal they're pocket dimensions. You keep saying there are other worlds but never backing up your claim. You just say it and think you're right. I said they vary in size because in the video above at 5:50 they're flying past dreams that are smaller than the characters (that's what I was talking about). If dreams can be that small then there's absolutely no way that the dreams are universes. And I'll say again day and night cycles are irrelevant because we see Stars all over the Maginaryworld.
Maginaryworld is a universe with planets made form dreams. It's consistently called a dimension but not the dreams. Even the manual states that it's "another" dimension. Another meaning one of many they visited.
https://youtu.be/ky_HXf3PH9Q at 5:57 Sonic and Lumina point out the worlds they traveled to.
> Obviously I'm talking about the worlds they fly past when they're travelling to Fourth Dimension Space. They're all presented as existing in their own bubbles.
Doesn't matter if pocket dimensions exist, and do you have scans?
"It is a dream world created from the dreams of people in other dimensions."
From the Sonic wiki. A dimension made of dreams.
"Fourth Dimension Space is the realm where the dreams of everyone are stored."
The 4D space and the Maginaryworld are described very similarly. Both are stated to contain dreams. The wiki, Lumina and Sonic all say the worlds are in the 4D space. The worlds themselves aren't universal they're pocket dimensions. You keep saying there are other worlds but never backing up your claim. You just say it and think you're right. I said they vary in size because in the video above at 5:50 they're flying past dreams that are smaller than the characters (that's what I was talking about). If dreams can be that small then there's absolutely no way that the dreams are universes. And I'll say again day and night cycles are irrelevant because we see Stars all over the Maginaryworld.
Maginaryworld is a universe with planets made form dreams. It's consistently called a dimension but not the dreams. Even the manual states that it's "another" dimension. Another meaning one of many they visited.
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All you did right there is continue to repeat the same claims that were already addressed ad-nauseam, as if continually repeating a false statement makes it true.
I love how you ignore the evidence I gave and continue to perpetuate this notion that they're smaller than the characters because they appear like that from the outside. Also first you say that, then they're pocket dimensions, and now they're planets? Make up your mind already.
I love how you ignore the evidence I gave and continue to perpetuate this notion that they're smaller than the characters because they appear like that from the outside. Also first you say that, then they're pocket dimensions, and now they're planets? Make up your mind already.
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Lumina states that the Firebird in it's own world can traverse an ocean of stars.They sure as hell aren't planet sized.
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How is it a false statement when it's pretty blatant?
When are the worlds called dimensions?
When are the worlds called dimensions?
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