Ihiko and Ajimu and their status of being banned in match ups.

[The_Causality]

^This I see exactly what I said But no one care about my opinion owo

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

Nah, don't ban Iihiko again.

I'm trying to have him vs Rimuru Tempest and all the other OP characters on this wiki that rarely get fights because the whole analogy of we can't fight a proper fight with said character because they too OP.

 

[Paul_Frank]

If you click the list of Ajimu's listed skills they all have some sort of explanation next to them

 

[Agnaa]

If you click the list of Ajimu's listed skills they all have some sort of explanation next to them

They have 3-5 words explaining them that still leave us with no idea of how the ability would actually end up working in a fight.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Not all of them, some of them

 

[Paul_Frank]

I never said a good explanation it's still enough to tell what they do

 

[Agnaa]

I never said a good explanation it's still enough to tell what they do

What does her Ninja Skill "Defending Chance" do?

 

[Paul_Frank]

It says wood element skill so it likely lets her use the element of wood

Its mokuton ovo

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

@Agnaa

I'm positive that's the wood skill one. So, she uses ninja like skills as wood style.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

If we don't know what an ability is, we just...don't use it. Like we would do with any other character.

 

[O_CARALOHO]

What about hanten? His ability os preety broken, why they make threads with lihiko and not with him? He is way more NLF, he is doesn't want to make more abilities because "plot problems"

 

[Agnaa]

Yeah but like, can she do anything that any character in all of fiction has ever done with wood manipulation, or can she just infinitely generate twigs with it?

We have no idea what the scale or applicability of her skills are. Just that "it's something to do with wood I guess"

 

[The_Causality]

If we don't know what an ability is, we just...don't use it. Like we would do with any other character.

I Think the real problem about the ban is about Ajimu's tiering, concerning the abilities, we are agree to only use the abilities Ajimu showed/Explained and scale them to Iihiko

 

[Agnaa]

If we don't know what an ability is, we just...don't use it. Like we would do with any other character.

Sure, I agree, but then she only has 11 skills, half of which are useless (one of them lets her count really high, one of them lets her specifically nullify another skill of hers, one of them lets her climb on ceilings). I want to do this for the purposes of determining Iihiko's resistances, but a lot of people would have a problem with giving a character with 12,858,051,967,633,865 skills only 3 that are battle-applicable, and calling any of those matches "notable".

 

[Agnaa]

What about hanten? His ability os preety broken, why they make threads with lihiko and not with him? He is way more NLF, he is doesn't want to make more abilities because "plot problems"

Hanten's banned in matches.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

To that I say "Too bad". It's not like having supreme lowballs versions of a character was ground for being banned before (Saitama for a time, AP-wise, or arguably some Touhou characters). Also if abilities can be stuff like "can count real high", I think it's fair to say that not ALL of those abilities would need to be resisted or would be useful at all in combat.

 

[Paul_Frank]

So you're trying to say that out of the 814 skills listed there all of them besides 5 are too vague to be used and only 3 are combat applicable

I have to disagree

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

Now that I think about it. The characters being banned really isn't going to make much a difference. I mean all the characters that are Tier 1-A or 0 aren't allowed in vs matches anyway.

 

[Paul_Frank]

They are allowed the matches just can't be added afaik

 

[Agnaa]

So you're trying to say that out of the 814 skills listed there all of them besides 5 are too vague to be used and only 3 are combat applicable

I have to disagree

All but 11 are too vague. Parasite Seeing, Alibi Block, Life Zero, and Five Focus are her combat applicable skills out of those 11.

 

[Agnaa]

Also I've changed my position slightly. I understand why Ajimu is banned and have no problem with those reasons for banning her, but I also now understand why some people (Saikou) think Ajimu should just be unbanned and be lowballed.

So I'm neutral on Ajimu being banned, and still think Iihiko should stay unbanned.

 

[TyroneGMoney]

keep her banned.

character is entirely too vague and unknown to properly debate with.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Before this becomes a complete necro, we know some things about about the totality of her powers, such as the following:

She has no "Kill Iihiko Shishime Skill," or he's resistant to that, as well.

She has some way around Irreversible Destruction, but not one that's combat applicable.

Almost none of them are passive.

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

Well, it's more likely that she pulls a Medaka and keeps her otherwise passive abilities restrained. In fact, we already know she has the ability to negate her own abilities

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Fair point.

 

[Agnaa]

How do we know she has a way around Irreversible Destruction that isn't combat applicable?

 

[Iapitus_The_Impaler]

I think they mean having her powers not all be broken or something

 

[Agnaa]

Her powers wouldn't be broken because they don't work in the first place.

 

[Paul_Frank]

only use the ones that are named or explained ez

 

[Blackcurrant91]

I think Ihiko is fine. Ajimu should stay banned though.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the consensus seems to be to allow Iihiko but keep Najimi disallowed then.

 

[Xantospoc]

I'd say to disagree both!

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Hopefully, I will eventually finish this.

 

[Agnaa]

Hopefully, I will eventually finish this.

Looking good, I've left a comment on it.

 

[Antvasima]

Since it seems like things will remain unchanged regarding Najimi and Iihiko, should we close this thread?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Yeah, sounds good.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.