Ichigo's Scaling Chain with Yhwach

[Arc7Kuroi]

This is rather simple, currently Ichigo's scaling chain looks like this: Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo > Bankai Ichigo ~ SK Yhwach ~ Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo > Shikai Ichigo. However, as y'all know from the GRC thread, Gran Rey Cero is an above ~10x AP amp, meaning Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo's GRC Getsuga > ~10x Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo's physicals. So, a more accurate chain would be: Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo > Bankai Ichigo ~ SK Yhwach ~ Merged Hollow Ichigo's GRC GT > Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo > Shikai Ichigo.

Thus I am proposing that we rate Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo as: At most [10x weaker than SK Yhwach's rating] (Ichigo's regular power is more than an order of magnitude below his Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou), [SK Yhwach's rating] with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou (Pierced through Yhwach's defense).

I'm not including any ratings atm because they're prone to change.

 

[Bernkastelll]

 

[Purgy]

Can you give an example of what it would look like using the current ratings?

Kinda confused on what you're suggesting.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

With the current 5-B ratings it would look like this for his Merged Hollow Form key:

"At most Low 5-B (His regular power is more than an order of magnitude below his GRC GT), 5-B with GRC GT (Pierced SK Yhwach's defense), higher with Bankai"

 

[Cyberblader90]

shouldnt this wait till post revisions?

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Did we accept that Ichigo’s Hollowfication is at least a x10 amp on the GRC thread?

 

[Teezar]

I agree but bro are you some kind of bleach lord.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I guess it can wait, but it's not that complicated of a change.

Gran Rey Cero is accepted as more than an order of magnitude amp -> TS Hollow Ichigo scales to Yhwach for hitting him with his GRC GT. So it's not really debatable, TS Hollow Ichigo is like ~10x weaker than his GRC GT.

Like, let's not make this more complicated than it is.

 

[joshpiece]

Yes

 

[SilentBob34]

If the upgrade goes through isn’t this entire thread kinda pointless? Unless they’re scaling to baseline 3B?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yes it won’t end up affecting his rating after the Senna recalc goes through, but that doesn’t mean the justifications and specific values tied to a character shouldn’t be updated to reflect the most accurate rating.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

If the upgrade goes through isn’t this entire thread kinda pointless? Unless they’re scaling to baseline 3B?

Is not to change but to better present and clean the profile

 

[AppleLord]

This is only about the justifications for the scaling, if GRC is x10 accepted. I'm fine with this fix.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

GRC is vaguely higher than an order of magnitude amp, which is why the new justification would have at most in it fyi

 

[sageof8paths]

100% agree with this

 

[DaReaperMan]

I agree

 

[SilentBob34]

Yes it won’t end up affecting his rating after the Senna recalc goes through, but that doesn’t mean the justifications and specific values tied to a character shouldn’t be updated to reflect the most accurate rating.

Yeah that’s very true man lol

 

[Nierre]

I agree but bro are you some kind of bleach lord.

yes. yes he is.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

yes. yes he is not ok.

 

[Cyberblader90]

senna has been accepted, how does that affect the op

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ichigo’s TYBW keys should look the following:

• At least High 6-A, 3-C, possibly higher with Bankai | At most 3-C, higher with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou, 3-B with Bankai
• Keys: True Zanpakuto | Merged Hollow Form

Since the scaling chain is: TS Hollow Ichigo < GRC GT (over 10x stronger than TS Hollow Ichigo) ~ SK Yhwach (scales to 3.68 YottaFoe) ~ TB Ichigo < TB Hollow Ichigo (at least 5x stronger than before, placing him at like ~18.5 YottaFoe aka Multi-Galaxy).

 

[Teezar]

Makes sense.

 

[Cyberblader90]

Ichigo’s TYBW keys should look the following:

• At least High 6-A, 3-C, possibly higher with Bankai | At most 3-C, higher with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou, 3-B with Bankai
• Keys: True Zanpakuto | Merged Hollow Form

Since the scaling chain is: TS Hollow Ichigo < GRC GT (over 10x stronger than TS Hollow Ichigo) ~ SK Yhwach (scales to 3.68 YottaFoe) ~ TB Ichigo < TB Hollow Ichigo (at least 5x stronger than before, placing him at like ~18.5 YottaFoe aka Multi-Galaxy).

i dont see any immediate issues

 

[SilentBob34]

Ichigo’s TYBW keys should look the following:

• At least High 6-A, 3-C, possibly higher with Bankai | At most 3-C, higher with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou, 3-B with Bankai
• Keys: True Zanpakuto | Merged Hollow Form

Since the scaling chain is: TS Hollow Ichigo < GRC GT (over 10x stronger than TS Hollow Ichigo) ~ SK Yhwach (scales to 3.68 YottaFoe) ~ TB Ichigo < TB Hollow Ichigo (at least 5x stronger than before, placing him at like ~18.5 YottaFoe aka Multi-Galaxy).

Uhh does his profile reflect that?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No… that’s why I made this thread… it’s a revision of Ichigo’s scaling and justifications…

 

[SilentBob34]

No… that’s why I made this thread… it’s a revision of Ichigo’s scaling and justifications…

My bad man

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

No you’re good lol I was just confused at what you were asking

 

[SilentBob34]

No you’re good lol I was just confused at what you were asking

Lol well personally I still think we should should go back to true shikai and true bankai keys. Feels kinda weird to separate it into true Zanpakuto and merged hollow form when he originally entered it in his shikai form but I’m fine with whatever really lol

 

[Allmighty991]

Bump

 

[Allmighty991]

Lol well personally I still think we should should go back to true shikai and true bankai keys. Feels kinda weird to separate it into true Zanpakuto and merged hollow form when he originally entered it in his shikai form but I’m fine with whatever really lol

Agreed with silent, using the old key will still be better, when they are not much different than the new key. But I will remain neutral, and follow the majority.

 

[Archinord991]

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

What are the conclusions here so far?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ichigo’s TYBW keys should look the following:

• At least High 6-A, 3-C, possibly higher with Bankai | At most 3-C, higher with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou, 3-B with Bankai
• Keys: True Zanpakuto | Merged Hollow Form

Since the scaling chain is: TS Hollow Ichigo < GRC GT (over 10x stronger than TS Hollow Ichigo) ~ SK Yhwach (scales to 3.68 YottaFoe) ~ TB Ichigo < TB Hollow Ichigo (at least 5x stronger than before, placing him at like ~18.5 YottaFoe aka Multi-Galaxy).

This.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine, but we preferably need a bit more staff input.

 

[Antvasima]

Ichigo’s TYBW keys should look the following:

• At least High 6-A, 3-C, possibly higher with Bankai | At most 3-C, higher with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tenshou, 3-B with Bankai
• Keys: True Zanpakuto | Merged Hollow Form

Since the scaling chain is: TS Hollow Ichigo < GRC GT (over 10x stronger than TS Hollow Ichigo) ~ SK Yhwach (scales to 3.68 YottaFoe) ~ TB Ichigo < TB Hollow Ichigo (at least 5x stronger than before, placing him at like ~18.5 YottaFoe aka Multi-Galaxy).

@Soldier_Blue @Damage3245 @Elizhaa @Shadowbokunohero @IMadeThisOn8-1-2017

What do you think about this?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Thanks for helpin out

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo > Bankai Ichigo ~ SK Yhwach ~ Merged Hollow Ichigo's GRC GT > Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo > Shikai Ichigo.

Yhwach saw True Bankai Ichigo more of a threat than even the Getsuga Gran Rey Cero as he overpowers it without ever needing to turn on the Almighty and immediately destroys the True Bankai while complimenting it as dangerous.

So technically:

Getsuga Gran Rey Cero Hollowfied True Bankai Ichigo > Hollowfied True Bankai Ichigo > True Bankai Ichigo ~ SK Yhwach

And then the rest really follow after in the same format and multipliers.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

This is fine

 

[KingTempest]

Same, this looks good