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Ichiban KARARARARSUGA vs Hanekawa Tsubasa
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By himself of course he doesn't have any, it's turn based unlike previous games, but he can somewhat keep up with the yakuza legends. That's at least something.
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I am not talking about Ichiban's team, he did fight with Majima and Saejima at the same time (they were holding back, but that's still something) and Kiryu. You could tell Kiryu was serious because he took his shirt off.
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He did, in literally every game. I think the biggest he took was 100 people in Yak5
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Were they comparable to him or fodder?
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Depends, some were fodder, some were high ranking. They also had guns and rocket launchers so.
And Kiryu wasn't even serious back then, he didn't even take his jacket off and wanted to just beat the hell out of them because the Clan turned into *******
And Kiryu wasn't even serious back then, he didn't even take his jacket off and wanted to just beat the hell out of them because the Clan turned into *******
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Kim Yong Soo and Tianyou Zhaou are exceptions, Kim was literally the body double of Han Joon-gi before the latter gets capped in Y6 and is highly skilled in Taekwondo, and Ichiban whupped Kim. Tianyou Zhaou is especially skilled in swordplay and Chinese Kung Fu, and can even light up his sword on fire for additional effect.
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Ironically you'll have to max out every job on the Business list too, as Ichiban's fighting style can shift between business to business (For one example one job has him act as a breakdancer and so on).
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Kiryu being 100% serious is... I don't know, but what I know is that Kasuga canonically fights him with like 5 other people alongside him (pretty sure all the party members are there, even those you don't have with you) and Kiryu trashes him, you can see in the cutscenes that he's not even bruised like Majima was, Ichiban scaling to Kiryu is not something I would confidently assert tbh
That's why I said most, 4 out of 6 are fodders in terms of skill
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I'll do all of that, unfortunately I stumbled upon Divinity 2, quite possibly the best RPGs I've ever played/seen/heard of so Y7 took kind of a backseat, but I still plan on devouring it like I did 0
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Still being able to fight with Kiryu IS a feat, considering Kiryu is apparently lighyears above Hanekawa in skill, indicates he can proficiently fight against her too. With party or not, Ichiban in the party's powerhouse and leader. Obviously the Yakuza's OG's are much stronger, but he wasn't completely steamrolled, from what we know. Majima noted he had fun fighting with them and Saejima jumped to help him (though Ichiban noted that Majima was already too much, which is understandable)
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I mean, he KINDA got steamrolled by Kiryu, he doesn't even have a scratch on him at the end of the fight while Kasuga and all his teammates are on their fours on the ground and Kasuga is full of bruises and blodied in general, that's as close to a steamroll as you can get without getting one-tapped really, that's almost some Ken vs Jagi type shit
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Kiryu STILL kinda had to strain himself a bit while holding back, so Ichiban sorta scales to that.
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but again, we can't just ignore that Kasuga had like 5 people with him, one being Joon, and Kiryu "kinda having to strain himself while being suppressed" isn't enough to say he scales to Kiryu in any way, again, it's kinda like a Ken vs Jagi thing, Ken KINDA had to strain himself in the sense that he got hit once, but he was using like 5% of his power and as soon as he went like 30% he kicked his ass.
Scaling Kasuga to Joon or Zhao would be a far safer bet tbh
Scaling Kasuga to Joon or Zhao would be a far safer bet tbh
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That would imply that most bosses in the series didn't even get a hit on Kiryu because he usually doesn't have any scars or bruises by the end of the fight. He's just this tough. For example: In his fight against Joji Kazama he was just heavy breathing and he stated that if Joji was just few years younger he would lose. He didn't even seem fazed by Tsuyoshi Kanda who did actually give him trouble mid-fight, and briefly overpowered him. So I wouldn't really judge it by that.
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Well, Joon is a body double to someone who did give Kiryu a not-so-bad fight
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What I mean is that in Y7 all bosses that get beat up show damage, even Majima does, and getting bruised is not really dependant on "being tough", if you get punched by someone on your level, you get bruised, i'm pretty sure Kiryu himself actually gets bruises etc in Y6, for instance. So either 1 Kasuga can't even hurt Kiryu (I mean, possible, given how kiryu no-sold his punch at the beginning) or 2 Kiryu either never got hit or got hit sparringly, either way, you see how there's a problem with the scaling of either AP or skill. If you have the AP scaling, you don't have the skill scaling, if you have the skilll scaling you don't have the AP one
Not really a feat, does he have feats of his own? There's no true reason for a scaling between him and the real deal, and if Joon actually scales to the real deal, then Kasuga is absolute fodder because he got smoked while fighting Kiryu ALONGSIDE Joon, who by himself should scale to Kiryu
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I'm not really saying we do scale X to Y... I'm just saying that if X is ABLE to fight Y, then he can fight against less skilled Z.
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I have just noticed the "Karasuga" in the title, pls @ThisThingisReallyBroken change it, Ichiban is not a Haikyuu character
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Pretty sure the only person ranked as a Genius in Yakuza is the Amon clan itself.
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Ironically, Ichiban did fight against an Amon with his team. Yagami's Amon, to be exact.
Alongside 5 other people, yes, but these people mainly just support him in combat. Kiryu never had an actual trouble fighting against few skilled opponents at once, he handled Akiyama and Tanimura at once like they were babies (and they were monsters). Few more non-skilled enemies in comparison to him do not make any difference. So you could say Ichi was the main factor of the fight.
Alongside 5 other people, yes, but these people mainly just support him in combat. Kiryu never had an actual trouble fighting against few skilled opponents at once, he handled Akiyama and Tanimura at once like they were babies (and they were monsters). Few more non-skilled enemies in comparison to him do not make any difference. So you could say Ichi was the main factor of the fight.
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Apparently there's some problem with me saying that Ichiban was capable of fighting with Kiryu, so I'm just clarifying
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Agnaa asked about it. Also it's kind of a big deal
I know, but what I mean is that if Ichi got his ass handed to him while ALSO having 5 other people with him, what are the chances of him posing any kind of fight on his own?
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If that's a problem we could as well change it to talking about how Majima and Saejima did think that Ichiban and his team was some challenge. (The two guys who have many of their own skill feats, and the former has fought Kiryu like hundreds of times, and latter is literally an equal to Kiryu that he couldn't beat). They even noted they are no easy opponents. Of course they were holding back a little, but that was still impressive, considering how much stronger Majima and Saejima are.
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I just don't think a guy who got badly defeated while having 5 team mates should scale to a guy who beat him while suppressed and barely had a scratch on him by the end of the fight, that's it, I simply don't think that's sound scaling. With Majima/Saejima I don't know honestly
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Better than arguing Kiryu, at least. They are still the strongest guys in the series right after him.
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soo...
Ichiban isn’t as skilled as Kiryu per se, but is slightly below him.
Ichiban isn’t as skilled as Kiryu per se, but is slightly below him.
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Hanekawa’s fighting chance has significantly increased then
Hanekawa’s fighting chance has significantly increased then
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a... a BIT more than slightly, i'd personally say "significantly" tbh
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Meh, more than slightly, but his team (with Ichiban being the leader) was some challenge to two guys that are almost as strong as him (Majima's almost as strong as Kiryu, Saejima's as strong as him)
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I still see him winning more often than not
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Obviously they were, they noted that they were going easy on them as Ichiban is still an underdog and definitely is not as skilled as them, but from what I remember Majima often tends to hold back in his fights (same as Saejima, as he doesn't want to kill anybody). It's still kinda impressive though, and Majima uses similar fighting style to Hanekawa, if I'm correct. Being all about acrobatics and as hard to hit as possible.
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Isn’t that his last name tho
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