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Glitchtale Content Revision

Kyleb79

Kyleb79

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So, I made a thread on the Glitchtale verse a while ago, though it was never concluded since there were disagreements, not enough people commented on it, and it happened during the forum move. With these, the thread was never officially concluded as either disagreed with or agreed. However, I do have a different perspective on scaling with Glitchtale. I plan to do other threads on other verses for clean-up, and since my Cobra Kai one isn’t gaining much attraction, I might as well make this one.

Scaling Characters​


Massive Scaling Gaps​


The gap and events that have happened make the gaps between the City Block level, Small Town Level, City level, and Universal level a solid tier rating for each fighter, too tricky and not as a correspondent with what happens. The scaling at the moment is basically most main character monsters scale to Papyrus and are limited to Betty as a top tier. Undyne has a Small Town feat and beats Base Betty easily; however, a hate Betty puts up a fight. Then City level comes from fighting Betty, which is Asgore, Mettaton, Toriel, likely Frisk, and Chara. While top tiers like HATE, God of Hyper and HATE Chara are here from a Universal ERASE.

The problem is the massive amount of anti-feats and statements to support that they aren’t a solid tier:​

Backing Up these Points & Debunking:​

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“Sans used exploits like the actual game to kill Frisk”
  • Unlike the actual game, Sans does not use exploits to kill his opponents here. Despite the presence of health points in Season 1, his magical blasts target the body like every monster in Glitchtale. Once they kill the person, their soul shatters if they aren’t a human. Glitchtale works differently, as HP damage is never present throughout any of Sans’ fights. This is why his attacks have AP damage that can break Chara’s shields, cause in this context, Sans actually has the AP to kill rather than needing to break the rules. Notably, Sans can also damage Papyrus, who doesn’t have the HP system, as Game Mechanics seem to have disappeared when Frisk broke the Reset. So Sans killing LVL 19 Frisk and almost doing it a second time is valid.

Verdict Reason: Sans uses AP to kill enemies, not through exploits.

”Chara didn’t have the level of HATE they did with Asriel”
  • You could argue that the Low 2-C Chara, who fought Asriel, had half their body covered with HATE compared to the one with just their forearm fighting Sans, Flowey, Gaster, and Flowey. Although, this shouldn’t matter much as Flowey’s strongest attack can overpower Chara’s special attack, while Frisk blocks an attack from this Chara unscathed in their base form. This is consistent as Chara puts up a similar performance in Season 2, Episode 9 against HATE, not mattering if Hate was used or covered half their body (It was only when Asriel got fake killed that Chara’s performance changed).
Verdict Reason: They scale to each other anyhow

“Undyne the Undying held Back, and there shouldn’t be scaling cause her attack destroyed half her body”
  • Despite Undyne’s look of casualness, she is not holding back against Betty as she even says during her little lyrical on how she’ll never let her pass and knows everyone is counting on her. Also, Camila Cuevas states that “Undyne and Holding back don’t go well in the same sentence.”
  • Undyne also disintegrates Betty’s body is also due to a mix of Undyne using a special attack, Determination counters, and Betty’s body is fragile. Notably, Akumu can survive the blast around Betty for the special attack unscathed and survived Gaster’s blast that was supposed to kill Betty. Akumu is also the more magical aspect of Betty, while Betty’s body is narratively a little kid which would explain why she isn’t as durable. The fact that every single move that Betty makes to defend or attack is with Akumu kind of shows this. This continues to happen later on, even when they fuse. Where it’s consistent for pieces of their body to fall off after attacks (Ex, Asgore, Mettaton, The Skelebros), and like the unmerged form. Akumu is the only one who isn’t damaged underneath. It happens once again in the Frisk fight, where Frisk attacks them both. Akumu is only dizzy; Betty is conscious but missing some pieces of matter. Betty is also conscious of most of these hits despite body parts coming off, which shows great endurance but not great durability.
Verdict:
  1. Undyne isn’t holding back
  2. Bete can endure but isn’t durable. While Akumu, who is part of her soul, is the main scaling source here.

“Frisk was Lvl 3 when fighting Betty”
  • The level difference is very little and should barely matter. The narrative standpoint is that Frisk had gained very little and hence didn’t stand a chance against Betty in combat.
Verdict: Pretty obvious

“The Skelebros only scale to a Betty when Kumuzilla was destroyed. Who contained a lot of her magic.”
  • This is only partially true. Kumuzilla did contain a lot of her magic, although it’s not certain when Kumuzilla was destroyed. While at the start of the episode, Kumuzilla was destroyed, hence implying that it happened before.
  • However, this is not the case, as Episode 9 shows that all three events were happening simultaneously, as all three lead to the scene where HATE awakens. There’s also the fact that the Skelebros fight right after The Dreemurrs do, which happens in the episode before Kumuzilla is destroyed. Game Over shows that their story arcs are happening simultaneously when Betty reminiscences. We have to nitpick when and not when it happens; however, we know the same Betty in the Dreemurrs’ fight before Kumuzilla was destroyed. Right after, The Skelebros come in and fight her.
  • It shouldn’t really matter, as throughout all of Bete’s scenes, we never see when Kumuzilla died and impacted her. So it’s not really considerate when it affects her, and it never even seems to affect her performance.
Verdict: We never know when Kumuzilla was destroyed, and it becomes increasingly more irrelevant when it’s never shown to affect her

“Where does 7-B come from for the Dreemeurs’ in Base form?”
  • Pretty clear. Asgore and Toriel fought Merged Betty and were able to hurt her; Asgore was able to tear the flesh off Betty’s face in their fight. Asriel himself, granted HATE, can hurt them both, beat down Chara, who is 7-B, and even kill him in the failed timeline.
  • While you could argue HATE played a considerable part, Asriel incapacitated pre-determination HATE, and Chara using the same HATE Asriel had, was being pressed numerous times by pre-determined HATE. So while HATE was a buff, the original versions of the characters are still comparable. Chara can hold their ground against HATE Asriel, while Asriel could incapacitate someone who could press HATE Chara.
  • If it’s hard to imagine what I’m saying. What is in bold is the same HATE substance Chara and Asriel use; pre-determined HATE is relative to HATE Chara, HATE Asriel presses normal Chara, and Normal Asriel incapacitates pre-determined HATE for a short amount of time.

Verdict: Dreemurrs scale to 7-B

“Scaling doesn’t make sense. Base Betty puts up a fight against Gaster, Undyne the Undying level, destroys her base form and Merged Betty can fight on par with Frisk, who destroyed Post-Vial Betty. So anyone below Gaster’s level or Undyne’s level shouldn’t scale”
  1. Post-Vial Betty is an actually interesting case, and I was initially going to make its own category discussing this matter. However, discussing Post-Vial Betty is very much Base Betty and not. I’ll explain. Betty consumed a HATE vial hoping to save herself, and we see the hate in her eyes as they are visually black, like with Chara in Season 1 and by the end of Season 2. However, they only occasionally show up. This is because Betty only uses it sparingly, as she says in Love Part 2, “I can’t keep abusing this power. Or it’ll take over again.” This is in reference to when she first used Hate against Undyne, and it almost took over. Because of this, Betty only uses HATE in bursts where she finds suitable. Why am I bringing this up? Well, it explains why LOVE 19 Frisk easily overcame her. As she feared using HATE too much, she only used it in brief bursts in the Frisk fight. Like using it as a tentacle and using it as an energy blast once. So Frisk is overcoming a base Betty here, who’s only using Hate as a regen and short burst attack (Which she only does once against LOVE 19 Frisk, by the way).
  2. With Gaster, the thing with the fight is that Gaster actually won, and it was only due to Betty’s special ability that she defeated Gaster (Which is stealing his powers). Gaster also one-shot Akumu with a strong attack which is impressive. The attack negged Akumu worse than Undyne's special attack did to Akumu. Now, Base Betty left a crack on his shield, hurt him, and Akumu deflected his attacks. So there is scaling here. However, if we take a look at her fight with Undyne, it isn’t an utterly one-shot match. Betty still takes attacks from Undyne despite it being her human form, and Akumu, the more durable one, can take her special attack (You could say that Betty shielded her, but it’s irrelevant since Betty’s body was completely exploded in half and should’ve hit Akumu anyhow). Akumu also gives a cut on Undyne’s arm and holds her back for a bit (Both Akumu and Undyne give out a grunt to signify the clash hurt them). Oh, also, Cami said on her discord that Undyne hurt her because she was a DT user, giving yet another reason Undyne smacked her “I imagine that hitting her with a dt/a dt equivalent would make her feel “pain." Veir, the Co-Writer of Glitchtale (I had to translate through google translate), said how Gaster and Betty's battle was one of strategic clash, which makes sense since Akumu was the one she was reliant on and used most of her dodging maneuvers using both to cancel out his attacks.
  • While Undyne outclassed her, Betty wasn’t incomparable. The fight still took a bit, even if one-sided, took time for Undyne to take her down. Undyne here is also not holding back, as explained earlier. Betty was also notably caught off-guard the whole fight and not expecting the amount of determination she had. Speaking of determination, her being stronger than Betty doesn’t make it better. Undyne had the advantage of having immense determination due to gaining physical matter. Determination is also said in Season 2 Episode 2 that Determination is the only thing that can defeat Fear, and Camelia gives a thumbs up to someone who understands that. Undyne is already stronger, which helps her perform better than someone like Gaster against Betty. Also, before their fight, Gaster notes that because she has more determination, she could put up a better fight. So you could instead say “Easy difficulty” rather than a “Stomp.” Even people like Grillby and Muffet can hurt Betty despite getting their asses handed to them by Betty worse than Base Betty did with the Undying. Oh yeah, the DT argument also justifies Frisk easily overcoming them. Base Betty could definitely kill her, which is why Undyne attempted to block Akumu's attack, which left a slight injury on her. The biggest piece of evidence is that Gaster says how Determination is Betty's weakness and how Undyne has the biggest chance to defeat her due to it. Also WOG was asked this question and stated how Betty, Undyne, and Gaster were equal but played out like Rock, Paper, Scissors.
Verdict:
  1. Post-Vial Betty is Base Betty, who decides to only use HATE in short bursts, which justifies Frisk overcoming her so easily.
  2. Despite Betty VS Undyne being one-sided, she still is roughly comparable in taking hits and slightly hurting her. Base Betty not being too behind, although it would get destroyed by people possessing high DT if not merged.
Overall Verdict: Everyone scales to each other, though many do have rough scaling.

Tier Scaling​

So the typical scaling is as follows and explained above. They all scale to each other; however, some can put up better fights against each other, and so forth. In the end, they all have rough scaling to each other. However, things change when you plug in their tier and AP. We currently have four main feats for each level.

City Block Level+ (Scaling from Payprus calc showing)

Small Town level (Scaling from Undyne the Undying’s calc showing)

City level (Scaling from Betty Noire’s statement)

Universal level+ (Chara creating an erase button)

These are the main tiers. Here are, however, some reforms.

City-level “Solid” statement
  • The major problem is that we don’t fully know what Betty meant by “I’ve gained enough power to wipe out this entire city,” especially to solidify a solid tiering. She could easily be talking about the blobs wandering around the city and Kumuzilla providing destruction to it. Even Camelia says herself that if Undyne had never destroyed Kumuzilla, the destruction of the city would’ve been on a massive scale. It could also be referring to Bete wiping out all the people and monsters in the city, giving her enough power with the souls to do so. Although despite this, it’s still likely since the other two views seem to be lacking as well. And, to be honest, Betty destroying the whole city makes more sense than the other statements since if she did destroy the city, there’d be no human souls. However, Betty has so many anti-feats. For one, she never shows any signs of that level of AP, not even on a Tier 8 scale. Which will be discussed later.
Universal level+ from RESET
  • The problem with this is that DT users create specific game mechanics rather than actually use their power. The fact that Chara needed someone else to trigger it proves that because Chara was just a vessel of DT, they had the power but were a glitch and not supposed to even be present in the world. If they were really on the AP of that level, they should be able to destroy the Universe themselves, yet they couldn’t. Chara has enough DT to create the ERASE, not actually use their own power to erase the world. The fact Chara words it like “I have enough power to create this” seems to imply that it’s just a button that requires DT to get. HATE’s goal in Episode 9 is also to destroy everything, so he could’ve one-shot the Universe if he was really on this level. They also have anti-feats like Frisk blocking an attack from them and Omega blocking their HATE attack. This also isn’t combat applicable, as Chara needs someone else to press it. Chara also never performs anything even close to this in Episode 9. Along with this, this would only, at best, have a “Universal level+ with ERASE”
From the scaling points above, they all scale to each other. I was initially going to put “At least City Block level, likely Small Town level.” However, there are anti-feats to accommodate for Small Town level and likely City level.

“Okay, so if everyone scales to each other. Why not scale everyone to Small Town level and City level?”
  1. The problem is the context, lack of support feats, and massive gaps.

    With Undyne the Undying vaporizing a skyscraper, not only has Undyne never done a feat on that level again, but she also has anti-feats to accommodate for it. Getting a one-shot by Kumuzilla, who only destroyed a portion of a building (Like only fragmenting), Undyne’s special attack, which should be stronger than the skyscraper, only was Large Building level in destroying Gaster’s lab’s roof. 8-Bs are scaling to her, as explained above. The biggest thing is that Base Undyne, in the very moment before, had an extremely hard time holding up that building while Undying easily vaporized it. So anyone on Undyne’s level doesn’t scale. So… how do we scale Undyne with all these anti-feats? Well, instead of upgrading the 8-B’s, have Undyne have an anti-feat scaling and likely Low 7-C. Aka, “At least City Block level+, likely Low 7-C”, so it corresponds with scaling to Undyne but not scaling to her vapourization feat. They would get their own anti-feat tier of “At least City Block level+, likely Low-7-C.” In short, the skyscraper feat only applies to her.
  • However, how about Betty’s statement? I said earlier how it’s still likely. Well, anti-feats come in once again. Never does Kumuzilla, Betty, do anything even close to Tier 7. The fact that Betty resorted to throwing large debris at Mettaton NEO, the attacks she throws at Chara only do minimal damage to a wall, while Betty, in her battle with the Skelebros, only creates falling debris from the building kind of already shows anti-feats. Not only that, but she’s been hurt by Asgore, Toriel, Chara, Mettaton Neo, Sans, Papyrus, and Gaster. None of these were in Tier 7 destruction or even high Tier 8. However, the fact that Betty still can do it technically would probably grant her “At least City Block level+, to possibly City level”; possibly City level. This should only apply to HATE because HATE is literally Betty but stronger.

“Why is City Block level+ the standard solid feat?”
Other Scaling

“Does Merged Bete even scale above HATE Betty anymore?”
  • Now, I mentioned earlier that HATE Betty is only used in short bursts, and Merged Betty barely ever uses HATE. So does Merged Betty have any scaling to HATE Betty or just Base Betty? So does Merged Betty even scale to someone like Undyne? The answer is that she definitely upscales from any time she uses HATE.
  • The fact that Betty says she gathered enough magic to destroy the city, no matter what perspective you see it from. This implies she wasn’t able to do it, referring to the fact that now she can level/destroy the city to the capacity; Betty, at previous points, was able to channel HATE, so the fact she fused to get stronger was proving it wasn’t enough, which upscale her from any previous version. The fact Betty no longer has to abuse HATE other than on two occasions is that narrative saying that Betty no longer needs to rely on it because her own merged abilities are better; we only see two times where she uses it to heal after Gaster tore it off, and when she lost some control of it after Sans and Gaster blaster her at the same time. Camelia also said on discord that she specifically merged to gain more power which would imply that HATE wasn’t enough when she uses it, which again proves that Betty is more powerful than any incarnation before. So for a supporting statement, the City level is upscaling from Undyne’s Small Town level, which Betty’s HATE form almost killed.
Jessica’s durability
  • Jessica taking a beating from Betty should not solidify a tiering. I’m 100% sure that Betty was using nowhere the same force she would with someone like Gaster. Jessica was going to be one shot by a single blast from Gaster’s hand, a normal attack as well, not some special attack. It was only Papyrus who saved her. Betty was also using illusions to destroy her mentally. I doubt Betty actually had Akumu slam into her full force or kick Jessica and send her flying. She easily could’ve just tortured her without the use of full force, like, say, have Akumu give her a bunch of cuts or slap the shit out of her. The fact she made it out alive is another; she only has blood dripping from her mouth afterwards.
Removing Frisk being “Far superior to Undyne the Undying”
“Implied to be capable of fighting True Form Betty”
  • It isn’t just implied; they DO fight. The main focus was the Dreemurr's fight. However, we hear them clashing in the background, and we see Frisk blocking an attack in a slow-mo shot from her. You can also see a cut on Frisk’s face that Bete obviously dealt. Bete also launches an attack on Frisk at the very start. So Bete does fight Frisk, not implied.

Overall scaling​

Everyone has a “City Block level+” tier.

Undyne the Undying, and her True Hero form. “At least City Block level+, likely/possibly Small Town level.” If the Frisk calc gets accepted, this would also apply to Chara, who has their Soul and stronger DT. It’s possible Sans with their Soul, and Asriel can get the tier for having Frisk’s SOUL; this was notably baseline Frisk and not LVL 19 (Episode 1, Chara absorbed the LOVE and HATE, but Frisk broke out with just their SOUL), and they already scale via 8-B. Not sure about any Low 7-C.

Merged Betty, and HATE gets “At least City Block level+, possibly City level” HATE uses everything Betty has but stronger, meaning they are canonically above any incarnation of Betty.

Jessica gets brought down to 10-B durability. Unless getting slammed a few meters at high speeds warrants a higher tier or something.

Speed​


Via Massively Hypersonic?
  • My problem with this is that it only scales to Chara and Bete on their profiles. Cause it forgets that these are Sans’ attacks. Yet, Frisk and Gaster get no scaling from dodging these attacks. Even if you want to say that Chara and Bete are far faster and they shouldn’t scale (Which I could disagree with, and I’ll explain below), they would only far upscale, while Frisk and Gaster would scale to Sans’ attacks and people who keep up with them.
  • I don’t have any problems with scaling from piercing the human body due to KE, although I dunno if this was accepted. I’d keep it for now.
  • This calc from Soupy, still unaccepted, also has super Hypersonic to support the Massively Hypersonic.
Also, like Tiering, they can all keep up with each other. There’s like only one anti-feat I can think of, and that’s Undyne blitzing Base Betty once. Although, that’s more just her being caught off-guard and not expecting her to be that fast, as explained by sources above, with Camelia saying she was caught off-guard due to her being far stronger since Betty knew about everyone’s previous form (Including the Undying). It shouldn’t even matter as it’s eclipsed by so many other feats, including the same fight where she can block, avoid, and dodge her attacks, albeit being overpowered. As Camelia says, she blocked it, but it was just too powerful for her.

Abilities​


Frisk:​

  • Removing Resistance to Soul Manipulation; the way it works in Glitchtale is different. Their souls are presently inside their bodies, and here, all they’re doing is attacking their bodies. Once they are killed, their soul breaks unless they are human. Then it persists after death, unlike Undertale, where the Soul is directly attacked. The only implication is where they go into SOUL mode, like in Undertale was Frisk vs Sans in the first episode and 2nd episode. But even all of these are attacking Frisk’s physical body rather than their SOUL. The only person to attack the SOUL is Betty to absorb power.
  • Resistance to Absorption; It says Resistance to Rhapdophobia for Soul Manipulation. I disagree. Betty absorbs the magic of others people's projection attacks. It should be combat applicable to people who don’t use their Souls to attack. Or else Betty would be to steal the magic of people’s Souls, which she doesn’t. As we see with Sans in Animosity, he can still use attacks after she uses the ability.
  • Removing Low-Godly but adding Immortality Type 3, their Soul seems physical and “But it Refused” only happens when the Soul is split, not completely shattered. On the VS Battles Wiki, we have it as High-Mid for Frisk.
  • Supernatural Willpower; Pretty obvious his willpower is directly related to his Determination which helps his supernatural powers. The description fits it perfectly. Frisk can do anything beyond human-like with it.
  • Keys; Season 1 (They still have the Reset; so they get abilities like Time Manipulation, Immortality Type 4, Acasuality), Season 2 (Since they destroyed the Reset), LOVE 19
  • Social Influencing and Empatic Manipulation; Not only is Frisk commonly known for this, but in Season 1, they were able to befriend the underground, exploring every path for 30 years. Frisk also fails to influence the Six souls in Episode 4 with no DT, but with full DT, they could call the Souls' help instantly to cooperate with aiding Asriel. Camelia also notes it. Frisk also notably has been faking their emotions for a lot of the series, as Camelia said that he didn't care for anything before LOVE Part 2.
  • Longevity for SOUL, just like in Undertale, Human Souls can persist after death. This is seen with the 6 Human SOULs.
  • Some common sense, but. If Frisk was in the underground for 30 years but arrived when they were 13. They are mentally 43, not 30.
  • Soul Absorption; Frisk as a human, should be able to absorb the souls of Boss Monsters.
  • Memory Manipulation (Not sure if combat applicable); When using the button “Replace,” they can change the memories of everyone, that Frisk never existed and replace all their memories with Chara. We know physically nothing happened, as there are still present events of Frisk’s existence hinted at with Sans.
  • Skill should be noted on their profile, which could be labelled as Martial Arts disguised as “Skilled in combat.” Being able to keep up in combat and even being remarked by Bete as having nice moves. Bete herself inherited the abilities of Agate with her Soul and has all the memories. She also uses Asgore and Toriel’s fire against them in the exact same way as Agate, as the scene even has her right beside Betty with the same motions. What does this have to do? Well, Agate was a skilled warrior with Copper, and she killed the most monsters in wartime. So Betty seeing Frisk as a good fighter is pretty impressive to solidify the skill. Also, Frisk has 30 years of combat experience in the underground.

Chara:​

  • They took control of the timeline in Determination. Hence they get all the Player abilities (Time Manipulation, Acasuality Type 1, and Immortality Type 4). For their Season 1 key. Even if their HATE Season 2 key scales, they should be separated due to the RESET ability.
  • Teleportation, unlike characters in Season 2, where they move so fast that they appear to be teleporting. Chara here actually teleports; this is because they are using Glitches. Their colours aren’t inverting and have some splits in the body like they are teleporting, for a reason. That’s why Sans can keep up much better with Chara in the first episode, while Sans was caught off-guard to the point it was a little gag multiple times when those frames happened.
  • Low-Godly removed; on the VS Battles Wiki, we consider the “But it refused” as High-Mid since their Soul isn’t completely shattered. It’s just it, split in half.
  • As a human, they should get some of the determination abilities I mentioned earlier (Soul Absorption, Longevity for SOUL, Supernatural Willpower, Resistance to Absorption.
  • Limited Telekinesis; Cause change in the direction of their orange knife attack

Ronan:​

  • Danmaku; This
  • Removal of Resistance to Soul Manipulation; Explained this with Frisk
  • Forcefield Creation; we have labelled Frisk’s profile for covering their body to absorb damage. Ronan can do the same. We have it labelled as Aura, and if that’s the case, we could apply it to Frisk possibly
  • Soul Absorption

Gaster:​

  • His full name needs to be noted. Wing Dings Gaster
  • Updating Gaster’s equipment. Two large hands with a Large Blaster with Duality and Polychromatism combine the small hands with it.
  • Update on lifting strength. Gaster can rip Betty apart, send himself flying to the ceiling by throwing him, and can restrain her with the hand. Since his large hands are magical constructs, they should be comparable to Undyne, who held up a building.
  • 3 keys; Darker Yet Darker (His mentality is completely different, being insane [Not caring about killing his own son]. He also has an elasticity like tentacles to use, power mimicry. Weakness of when his hands breaks instead of being knocked out, his face cracks), Base Gaster (Both children alive), Post Do or Die, Polychroma and Duality as “higher abilities.” He also doesn’t have teleportation at this time (While we can say he has teleportation in his first fight with Betty, he never uses it and prefers to use his own powers to boost him or dodge), we could make another key for Do or Die for teleportation, but it just seems unnecessary cause nothing changed for the statistics or powers
  • Power Mimicry removal/Power Mimicry with the citation that only in the void; It has since been retconned by Camelia just to be some glitches in the void.
  • Healing; this
  • Flight; this
  • Spike Creation can be referred to as either creation or weapon creation. Since it comes from the soul, I think Weapon creation would fit more.
  • Danmaku; Gaster isn’t generally known for it, but with Duality, he can do this
  • limited Telekinesis as he can control where his blue razors and blue strings go, along with his mono attack that chased Sans
  • Soul Absorption - All Monsters can do it with humans
  • Genius Intelligence; Pretty obvious
  • For abilities, perhaps abilities in the void should be noted such as his telekinesis (closing a door on Frisk), limited Power null for Teleportation

Jessica​

  • Remove Superhuman characteristics; She doesn't even have the striking, lifting strength, or physical AP to live up to it, even if we give her the benefit of the doubt with durability.
  • Soul Absorption with Monsters

Undyne:​

  • True Hero key; Quite obvious, it happens in Animosity and is clearly stronger than her previous form by showing so and canonically has to be so (She got stronger through DT)
  • Obvious abilities I don’t need to cite; Weapon creation, Supernatural Willpower (DT), Transformation (Undying form and True Hero), Soul Absorption, Limited Telekinesis (Yellow spears)
  • Removing resistance to Soul manipulation, as I explained already with Frisk.
  • Immortality Part 4 with Regeneration High-Mid via “But It Refused”;

Papyrus:​

  • Removal of Soul resistance
  • Telekinesis; He did so to the blob's souls and saved Chara by pulling their SOUL back from HATE in Season 2, Episode 9
  • Weapon creation; Gaster Blasters and summoning bones from thin air to use as a weapon
  • Soul absorption; Already explained

Betty:​

  • For Post Hate Vial, they’ll have an “At least City Block level+, higher using HATE,” as explained in scaling earlier.
  • Elasticity (Post Hate Vial) - Can stretch a HATE attack in the form of a tentacle at Frisk
  • Better explanation Energy Projection (Base) - Possible is not really a good reason. However, we do see her emit energy upon striking hard at Gaster’s shields. She also emits energy through her hair either in fear or to use her special attack.
  • Aura (Base), their special attack, emits an aura that inverts the colours of people around them.
  • HATE Betty should have superior LS to Undyne, and her base form was holding her ground and blocking attacks from Gaster. She should have some scaling to Base Undyne.
  • The biggest thing of all. HATE is not Betty. It’s a completely different thing. This is the same HATE that all spawned from Frisk from Episode 1 (pinned comment), went into Chara, was captured by the AMD, put into Betty, and now that they’re dead. HATE came out with all their abilities. So HATE should get its own profile and remove it from Betty. They have their own enhanced recreation (probably not actual) version of DT, which Betty has nothing of.
  • Fear Manipulation or Social Influencing or both; Them being the inverted trait of Bravery and having their trait being "Fear." Being able to strike FEAR into Frisk, a magically powered supernatural being of Determination. Struck fear into Toriel, but this was through human emotional means (Traumatizing Toriel through visions of Asgore). Beat Gaster, so hard he got visions of his time in the void that he forgot existed, though this can just be something else. Akumu, who is an offspring magical construct of Betty, also had Gaster frozen in fear. Pre-Determination HATE, who had their powers, made Papyrus freeze in fear so much that he didn't want to move in Episode 8.

Verse page​


Shorter section; however, the page needs some overhaul. The summary of the verse needs some work, needs some connections to the prequels, and better connections with how Season 1 led to Season 2 (The glitches of the game made itself a new story and created Bete to eradicate the glitches). The summary should be bigger and more detailed; it’s the size of a character summary profile.

The powers of the verse actually need something. Mentioning how the events of Undertale stay the same, with a Frisk peaked out to 30 years of experience. Along with mostly noting how they are a decently strong verse for Tier 8 and 8-B’s. However, characters possibly reach Tier 7, like Small Town and City, at their best scaling. Also note the amount of hax, danmaku, soul manipulation, and fighting prowess in the difference between humans and monsters. Also, note some differences between the actual game.

You can add the poster the Glitchtale Season 2 has for the Fandom page. We can keep the old one, but have two of them you can click on. Since the fandom one has more characters, it fits in an image decently, and you can see some symbolism of the actual story. Chara isn’t even in the Season 2 one. Perhaps we can add a separate Season 1 and 2 Poster along with the whole cast image.

Overall:​

  • City Block level+ for all characters, likely Small Town level (Undying Form, True Hero Undyne), possibly City level (Betty), Human-level durability (Jessica), Removing Universe level+
  • Numerous changes to profiles (Specifically abilities), additions, removing, etc.
  • Verse page overhaul
  • Since we already scale Sans’ attacks to Massively Hypersonic, everyone gets it. Unless we disagree on using the KE of bones
  • Soup’s calc and some thoughts on it by the calculation team
(Oh yeah, if you spot spelling mistakes. I apologize)
 
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Wrong wiki my dude. I hope I'm not being presumptuous but I believe you may have misposted this CRT in the VSBW instead of FC/OC Wiki, since this is a fanmade Undertale AU you're talking about.
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Wrong wiki my dude. I hope I'm not being presumptuous but I believe you may have misposted this CRT in the VSBW instead of FC/OC Wiki, since this is a fanmade Undertale AU you're talking about.
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I was originally going to put it in Questions and Answers for the FC/OC wiki. Pick the poison.
 
Oh yeah, I think many Glitchtale pages should be overhauled to just the standard profile for the FC/OC wiki. We don't need some box on the right on details, explanations of personalities, appearances, etc. Just have them like the other VS Battles Wiki pages.
 
Oh yeah, should some Glitchtale characters get Acrobatics for their extreme jumping heights?
 
I agree with getting rid of the Universal+ stuff outside of Chara having a button that can pull it off

Don't really have time to give a more detailed response but I'll also mention that the current Low 7-C feat is off Vaporization, when we're supposed to assume pulverization by default for something disappearing like that, which I think is also 8-B? I'll have to edit the blog if I haven't already
 
DMUA said:
Don't really have time to give a more detailed response but I'll also mention that the current Low 7-C feat is off Vaporization, when we're supposed to assume pulverization by default for something disappearing like that, which I think is also 8-B? I'll have to edit the blog if I haven't already
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I'm no calculation expert, but plugging in 214 for pulverization instead of 25k, we have 39k Tons for 8-B. So that'd be 3 support feats for Tier 8.

On the other hand, I'm currently doing a rework of the verse in my blog section, and I should probably edit this thread (Because I think the final battle with Betty vs the Skeleton Trio makes it clear Kumuzilla was killed beforehand as suggested by Betty experiencing all the symptoms that Camila described with Kumuzilla dying).
 
Think we might need feats/calcs for Base Undyne and the likes since we can't scale her to Papyrus' peak when he's equal in power to Sans, who already fodderizes someone who could defeat her previous Undying form
 
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Adem_Warlock69 said:
Think we might need feats/calcs for Base Undyne and the likes since we can't scale her to Papyrus' peak when he's equal in power to Sans, who already fodderizes someone who could defeat her previous Undying form
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That’s notable, same with Ronan. Although reminder that the Undying form we see is much stronger than the original transformation as I pointed out in the thread.
 
One thing I'm confused about tho, is how LV19 Frisk is stronger than Undying when she's around Gaster's level of power while the former is weaker than Sans
 
Kyleb79 said:
  • I don’t have any problems with scaling from piercing the human body due to KE, although I dunno if this was accepted. I’d keep it for now.
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I'll also say this is near-directly banned in Kinetic Energy Feats, pulling from that:
  • Do not calculate speed from kinetic energy: The kinetic energy an object was calculated to possess, in any way whatsoever, should not be considered as related through its speed. While the formula technically can be used to relate those values in both direction this is disregarded in practice. One reason for this is that fiction in general differentiates between the attack potency and the speed of a character. Another reason is that it returns unrealistic values, as even a Small City level+ punch would already have Relativistic+ speed. Out of similar reasons mass should also not be calculated from it.
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So I'd just stick to the calcs listed there, but they also seem a little flimsy from what I can tell so might need a few revisions. Regardless it'll be higher than subsonic, so I can't complain
 
DMUA said:
I'll also say this is near-directly banned in Kinetic Energy Feats, pulling from that:

So I'd just stick to the calcs listed there, but they also seem a little flimsy from what I can tell so might need a few revisions. Regardless it'll be higher than subsonic, so I can't complain
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Yeah there are some feats that look like they are teleporting from large distances from Betty, Undyne (Undying), HATE, and Chara.
 
Oh yeah what’s our thoughts on City level possible for purely Betty and Soupy’s calc?

Edit: I saw DMUA’s commentary on the calc, so I’m guessing it needs some rework.
 
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Felt like getting this done

I made my adjustments to the calc, in terms of AP it's basically a no go with proper scrutiny (unless I missed something that'd boost the result) but the Speed is still entirely fine

In retrospect, I'm remembering that Camilla explicitly doesn't consider Glitchtale an AU where things work differently, just a non-canon continuation of Undertale itself, so the stuff about sans not negating durability in the same way he does in game and the point about soul attacks not working right doesn't really seem right (Though, granted, Undertale soulhax perception generally aligns with the idea that they're just hitting everything in one go more than specifically nailing the soul with damage anyways)

Obviously stuff like LOVE or Determination's ability to completely mess up a timeline is contradicted but unless stuff is directly shown to not be the case, we shouldn't depart from how it worked in canon undertale

I'm fine with getting rid of the city level rating and just having it be 8-B based off everything we have lined up, which I guess is what everything's ultimately going to be tiered at?
 
DMUA said:
Felt like getting this done

I made my adjustments to the calc, in terms of AP it's basically a no go with proper scrutiny (unless I missed something that'd boost the result) but the Speed is still entirely fine
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Yep, so another Tier 8 feat for support.
DMUA said:
In retrospect, I'm remembering that Camilla explicitly doesn't consider Glitchtale an AU where things work differently, just a non-canon continuation of Undertale itself, so the stuff about sans not negating durability in the same way he does in game and the point about soul attacks not working right doesn't really seem right (Though, granted, Undertale soulhax perception generally aligns with the idea that they're just hitting everything in one go more than specifically nailing the soul with damage anyways)

Obviously stuff like LOVE or Determination's ability to completely mess up a timeline is contradicted but unless stuff is directly shown to not be the case, we shouldn't depart from how it worked in canon undertale
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To confirm, yeah I remember Camila stating it’s an Alternate timeline straying off Undertale. I think it all depends on perspective of Camila, same reason why I don’t think we should put resistance to poison for monsters since Camila never acknowledges its existence. An example being she considers Sans having the same power level as Papyrus in terms of strength although in contrast to us who have Sans at 9-B, and Papyrus with 9-A.

Oh yeah I don’t think I mentioned in my blog, but to add onto Sans, Betty does see Sans’ loss as taking out the strongest monster (This isn’t 100% true cause Gaster, but still something to note)
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I'm fine with getting rid of the city level rating and just having it be 8-B based off everything we have lined up, which I guess is what everything's ultimately going to be tiered at?
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Most likely; in a 6 hour series with already quite a bit of tier 8 feats it’s enough to justify their tiering.
 
I think everything was already figured out, so it's just a matter of digging up additional supporters and putting everything at 8-B and High Hypersonic (or just keeping them at Subsonic given the individual, not like I recall anything but the broad strokes of the scaling)
 
the one calc soupy made that I then corrected, where Betty leaves the canyon almost instantly
 
Adem_Warlock69 said:
How are the reworked pages lookin?
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I’ve been laying off them for a while. They’re all on my FC wiki blog.

So far I’ve redone:
Frisk, Chara, Jessica, Ronan, Gaster, Undyne, Papyrus, Asriel.

And created:
Rave, Asgore, Toriel, and started to work on Sans but stopped there

Although Undyne, Ronan, and Rave I’m going to probably rework them into 9-A in their base. From the building feat, and Ronan respectively pulverzing trees which I think is 9-A, although the tree isn’t necessarily thick.
 
(Also I should probably heavily reduce the summary considering I just put their entire story that continued from undertale)
 
CaptainSparkz said:
I find it weird noone has to tried to calculate Sans vaporizing Omega Flowey as a feat, considering his size.
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I wouldn’t push it since that was when Camila’s animations were of poorer quality. Omega Flowey’s arms can somehow block it without any major damage, while it completely disintegrates when it hits anything else. We should take it as Flowey dying and then disappearing into dust considering the quick cuts they used.

Especially considering Omega Flowey can still take his own 8-B pellet.
 
Kyleb79 said:
Although Undyne, Ronan, and Rave I’m going to probably rework them into 9-A in their base. From the building feat, and Ronan respectively pulverzing trees which I think is 9-A, although the tree isn’t necessarily thick.
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You know I was wondering when it dropped from 8-B but it does occur to me that Papryus used a special attack for that feat, so

Granted I'm pretty sure they'd still scale to Frisk's explosion that soupy calculated (or at least, my revision of it since I think 20 PSI is gravely inflationary)
 
DMUA said:
Granted I'm pretty sure they'd still scale to Frisk's explosion that soupy calculated (or at least, my revision of it since I think 20 PSI is gravely inflationary)
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Pretty sure Camila said that attack would have killed Betty if it landed, so probably not
 
Kyleb79 said:
I wouldn’t push it since that was when Camila’s animations were of poorer quality. Omega Flowey’s arms can somehow block it without any major damage, while it completely disintegrates when it hits anything else. We should take it as Flowey dying and then disappearing into dust considering the quick cuts they used.

Especially considering Omega Flowey can still take his own 8-B pellet.
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Well his TV head couldn’t apparently, but maybe I’m tripping, TV head from I remember is less durable then the rest of his body. Also where did you get 8-B Omega Flowey from? The season 1 characters best scaling comes from Sans’s bones being able to pierce through Frisk who can tank the fall of Mtt. Ebott and vaporize Frisk (vaporizing normal humans already warrant 9-A scaling)
 
DMUA said:
Source?
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Here
Copying what the reworked profile says
In contrast, Gaster’s Duality blaster was only going to kill a Betty with no HATE regeneration, while Betty instantly regenerated all the damage with HATE from Undyne’s Spear of Justice. In this case, Frisk was going to outright neg Betty hard enough her regen wouldn’t help
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CaptainSparkz said:
Well his TV head couldn’t apparently, but maybe I’m tripping, TV head from I remember is less durable then the rest of his body. Also where did you get 8-B Omega Flowey from? The season 1 characters best scaling comes from Sans’s bones being able to pierce through Frisk who can tank the fall of Mtt. Ebott and vaporize Frisk (vaporizing normal humans already warrant 9-A scaling)
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Base Flowey scales to characters that scales to the scaling chain that are 8-B. Like Flowey using his pellets to help Sans cancel out Chara’s attacks, while Floweys other attacks were presented as threatening enough for Chara to avoid.

Also characters like Betty can take the blast with other characters being able to harm her, so on and so forth.
 
DMUA said:
You know I was wondering when it dropped from 8-B but it does occur to me that Papryus used a special attack for that feat, so

Granted I'm pretty sure they'd still scale to Frisk's explosion that soupy calculated (or at least, my revision of it since I think 20 PSI is gravely inflationary)
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Yeah, although the attack was basically just multiple blasters. The special attack I think was the bone beforehand that wasn’t 8-B.

I think as Adem mentioned how the attacked that Frisk did is far above what anyone could survive, including Frisk.

For 8-B. Try redoing Undyne’s casual feat for burning the building but instead plug in Pulverization. I did it earlier in the thread and for 8-B, but recorrect it as you please.
 
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