I am the Boros that's approaching (round 2: Tatsumaki)

[ZillertheBucko]

It's never stated when Gouketsu joined the Monster Association though, he won the Superfight 11 years ago but could have been challenged and defeated by Orochi like a year ago or something.

Well he was surprised to see that it had small fries like snek, so at the very least it’s been a couple years
but you do raise a valid point that it might not be the full 11.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Quick poll by the way (skeptics answer too)
As for the strongest in the universe statement, do you believe it would be better evidence for tatsumaki scaling or for orochi? The orochi one is still valid in my eyes and I continue to argue as such, but what are the opinions regarding that statement and tatsumaki, given that she very much was a considered character at the time

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Murata said that, not ONE. Murata is completely out of the loop and his statements are incredibly unreliable.
And yes, I can scale them above other characters who canonically exist at the time,

You can use it to scale them to the characters which have displayed feats at the time. You can't just assume a statements affects a character that "existed at the time" but that didn't display its capabilities years after the statement was made.

you don’t have any evidence whatsoever of the statement being retconned.

I don't need to. You're using a statement to scale Boros to a character whose capabilities were unknown when the statement, which isn't even from the verse (so you may argue the one who made it knows about the character), but from an author.

If a character appears on Earth whose power is above Boros in the next arc and such character has been existing since many years ago, you can't just assume "but Boros scales" because a statement which was made before such character displayed his true capabilities. Hell, even an official web page treated Orochi's statistics as unknown after Season 2, despite Boros' statistics being already known.

Especially considering the fact that ONE could have very easily written Orochi to have monsterized after Boros was already dead regardless of how old Boros was, but he didn’t.

Show me a proof ONE knew the exact capabilities Orochi would have in the manga before he did the statement.

Just because you have written a character, it doesn't mean its capabilities can't change (as shown with the redraw) or that you already know the full exent of its strength.

Essentially, you are pulling this out of your ass because you think that the time matters here. It’s a canon statement. Wanna retcon it? The burden of proof is on you to disprove what was confirmed.

No, I'm not pulling nothing out of my ass. You're pulling this scaling "out of your ass" using a statement of years old to scale to a feat which happened years after the statement was made.

Which has absolutely no bearing on anything, considering both are canon, and both are examples of scaling from feats that happened afterwards.
You have quite literally said nothing relevant here. If we can scale in-training saitama to a Tatsumaki’s feats that were given later on, but we can’t do the same thing here (along with the existence of even more evidence from points 1 and 2) then it’s just a clear sign of hypocrisy.

No it's not. One statement comes from the direct series, so unless you can justify Tatsumaki was severaly weaker when she fought Saitama (which she wasn't, since a being who could treat her was called to be a Dragon Level threat or above) the statement is valid. Yet it's still treated as possibility.

The other comes from authors who don't know the true capability of a character, because it, at best, has just being mentioned a bit chapters ago and didn't show their strength until after 60+ chapters, yet that strength was rectonned after that (which shows they weren't clear of their strength to begin with).

Please, see the difference: one statement comes from a direct feat of the series, with a character that has not shown to be weaker when Saitama was unaffected by her abilities; the other comes from an author before Orochi even showed a bit of its strength.

If you understand this simple difference, you won't call "hypocrisy" not scaling Boros above a character who wasn't even defined back then.

If you were paying attention, you’d know that god is either dead, or doesn’t even have his true form in the same dimension at the moment. I didn’t talk about this before because I assumed nobody would bring up anything so obviously wrong, but here we are.

Doesn't matter. The statement says "strongest of the universe". If God was in the universe, then he should be weaker than Boros, because the battle was among the strongest in the universe. That's your logic

 

[ZillertheBucko]

You can use it to scale them to the characters which have displayed feats at the time. You can't just assume a statements affects a character that "existed at the time" but that didn't display its capabilities years after the statement was made.

yes I can, because the character canonically had that abilities at that time, and boros was canonicaly stronger than him at the time. the end.
jesus christ dude

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

No, you can't. Because the statement doesn't come from the series, from a being who knows the capabilities of Orochi. It comes from an author who didn't even know how strong Orochi would be.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I don't need to. You're using a statement to scale Boros to a character whose capabilities were unknown when the statement, which isn't even from the verse (so you may argue the one who made it knows about the character), but from an author.

If a character appears on Earth whose power is above Boros in the next arc and such character has been existing since many years ago, you can't just assume "but Boros scales" because a statement which was made before such character displayed his true capabilities. Hell, even an official web page treated Orochi's statistics as unknown after Season 2, despite Boros' statistics being already known.

since when is this web page canon?

Show me a proof ONE knew the exact capabilities Orochi would have in the manga before he did the statement.

Just because you have written a character, it doesn't mean its capabilities can't change (as shown with the redraw) or that you already know the full exent of its strength.

I don't need to prove anything, because the statement is still canon. You have showed 0 evidence to suggest it was retconned, genius.
Also, I guess this means that once again, we can't scale mid training saitama to tatsumaki, because "but she didn't do the high 6-A feat yet though"
except we can, because statements and feats are valid unless you have evidence to suggest they're retconned or are unable to apply. (You don't have any of that)

No, I'm not pulling nothing out of my ass. You're pulling this scaling "out of your ass" using a statement of years old to scale to a feat which happened years after the statement was made.

I feel like I should add that ONE was very clearly thinking of Boros when he wrote Orochi, given the pre redraw direct reference to him, and their similar roles and backstories. Even if we go along with your false logic of "he had to be thinking of them both when he wrote it" (we're not going with that) it would mean nothing, because he still wrote orochi with the intention of him being weaker than Boros, even in this hypothetical situation in which he wasn't writing Boros with the intention of him being stronger than Orochi.

No it's not. One statement comes from the direct series, so unless you can justify Tatsumaki was severaly weaker when she fought Saitama (which she wasn't, since a being who could treat her was called to be a Dragon Level threat or above) the statement is valid. Yet it's still treated as possibility.

The other comes from authors who don't know the true capability of a character, because it, at best, has just being mentioned a bit chapters ago and didn't show their strength until after 60+ chapters, yet that strength was rectonned after that (which shows they weren't clear of their strength to begin with).

Please, see the difference: one statement comes from a direct feat of the series, with a character that has not shown to be weaker when Saitama was unaffected by her abilities; the other comes from an author before Orochi even showed a bit of its strength.

If you understand this simple difference, you won't call "hypocrisy" not scaling Boros above a character who wasn't even defined back then.

It's hypocrisy. It seriously doesn't matter if it comes from a guidebook, because it's still accepted as canon until retconned regardless. And no, you have no proof that it was retconned
if you did, then you wouldn't be doing whatever this is in the middle of my crt.
No, you do not get to arbitrarily decide that a valid and canon statement becomes outdated without any evidence of such.

Doesn't matter. The statement says "strongest of the universe". If God was in the universe, then he should be weaker than Boros, because the battle was among the strongest in the universe. That's your logic

I shouldn't have to clarify this, considering I literally just said this, but if God is in a different dimension, then he's quite literally not in the universe.

TL;DR the statement is canon, show proof it's retconned, I do not want to hear you going on and on about how you feel like statements should arbitrarily become invalid in the very next arc.
If you don't wanna be a hypocrite then just go ahead and say that in-training saitama can't scale to tatsumaki because she didn't do the feat yet. I'm sure it'll go well.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

since when is this web page Canon?

It's from the youngjump, where OPM is read online.

Plus, if you look at the bottom, you can see it's supported by ONE and Murata

I don't need to prove anything, because the statement is still canon. You have showed 0 evidence to suggest it was retconned, genius.

Again: you're using a canon statement to scale Boros to a character whose strength was unknown for even the authors when the statement was made.

Also, I guess this means that once again, we can't scale mid training saitama to tatsumaki, because "but she didn't do the high 6-A feat yet though"

Have you even read my comment to se why that's not the case? It seems you're ignoring the parts that debunks you, bruh

except we can, because statements and feats are valid unless you have evidence to suggest they're retconned or are unable to apply. (You don't have any of that)

I've already told you: Orochi's strength was unknown when the statement was made.

Using that Databook, you'd find it easier to scale Gouketsu to Boros using Genos' knowledge of Serious Punch, than to scale Boros to a character who not even the authors knew how strong it was.

I feel like I should add that ONE was very clearly thinking of Boros when he wrote Orochi, given the pre redraw direct reference to him, and their similar roles and backstories.

Headcanon.

Even if we go along with your false logic of "he had to be thinking of them both when he wrote it" (we're not going with that) it would mean nothing, because he still wrote orochi with the intention of him being weaker than Boros, even in this hypothetical situation in which he wasn't writing Boros with the intention of him being stronger than Orochi.

Headcanon

It's hypocrisy. It seriously doesn't matter if it comes from a guidebook, because it's still accepted as canon until retconned regardless.

It's not. It's just plain logic: the fight was stated to be among the strongest of the universe. Orochi was just a concept back them, with 0 feats. Therefore, the author, who's the one who made the statement, and didn't have planned the power of Orochi, didn't include Orochi in the statement.

Also, that same databook considers Tatsumaki being capable of moving all of creation and having no weight limit of what She can lift, Atomic Samurai being able to cut at an atomic level, etc. etc. Flowery language, bruh.

As I told you, you'd more easily argue Gouketsu scales above Boros than that Boros scales above Orochi.

No, you do not get to arbitrarily decide that a valid and canon statement becomes outdated without any evidence of such.

The statement is canon. It's just that, as common sense says: you can't use a statement to scale Boros to a character who didn't display anything until years later.

If you don't wanna be a hypocrite then just go ahead and say that in-training saitama can't scale to tatsumaki because she didn't do the feat yet. I'm sure it'll go well.

Bruh, here we come again with this false equivalence.

Please, learn the difference between using a statement made by an author to scale Boros to a character who was a mere concept back then, to use a direct feat of the series to scale Saitama to a character who didn't show to get any stronger.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I am 50% considering that I should just say **** it and point out that Boros himself quite literally just scales directly above tatsumaki, considering he is called the strongest in the universe 3 times by a guidebook, during a fight where tatsumaki was literally present, and it is suggested multiple times by genos (in the guidebook) that the earth would have really been destroyed without saitama, despite tatsumaki being right there as well.
The only reason I haven't done so until this point is because people obviously would lose their shit about it, but I'm just letting you all know in advance, in case it does come to that

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I mean, if we use Genos stating in the Databook that Earth was going to be destroyed as knowledge Genos had (leaving alone Genos didn't know how strong Tatsumaki was), that means Genos knows Saitama can defeat planet buster enemies.

Which means Genos thinks Gouketsu is a planet level threat since he thought Saitama needed help to defeat him. Guess who scales above Gouketsu? Orochi. Guess who scales above Orochi? Tatsumaki.

Using that kind of argument isn't good...

And, for your information: authors can change their opinion of how strong a character is. Back then, Murata stated it was unsure if Tatsumaki'd be able to kill Orochi. But now she stomps him. Authors opinion of their characters change. That's why authors statements, which are the ones reflected in a databook (so outlierish as this one is, "moving all of creation", "being able to cut down to atoms", "the strongests of the universe", etc.) are taken with the grain of salt. And imagine using it to scale Boros above a character who was unknown back then lol

 

[ZillertheBucko]

It's from the youngjump, where OPM is read online.

Plus, if you look at the bottom, you can see it's supported by ONE and Murata

so I guess we can also take infinite power saitama as canon as well, right?

Again: you're using a canon statement to scale Boros to a character whose strength was unknown for even the authors when the statement was made.

which still doesn't matter, because that's never been a requirement and still isn't, along with you repeatedly ignoring the fact that even if Boros wasn't written with Orochi's feat in mind, Orochi was still written with Boros very much in mind. Seems you're ignoring the parts that debunks you, bruh

Have you even read my comment to se why that's not the case? It seems you're ignoring the parts that debunks you, bruh

I didn't ignore it, I responded to it. I said that the statement is canon, and until you can prove that it's retconned, it's still canon. The end.

I've already told you: Orochi's strength was unknown when the statement was made.

which is not a requirement.

Using that Databook, you'd find it easier to scale Gouketsu to Boros using Genos' knowledge of Serious Punch, than to scale Boros to a character who not even the authors knew how strong it was.

to a character who was practically written to be weaker than Boros*
to literally the main villain of the very next major arc*

Headcanon.

It's not headcanon, he literally references Boros in the pre redraw orochi fight, ONE was quite clearly thinking of him

Headcanon

Compelling argument.

It's not. It's just plain logic: the fight was stated to be among the strongest of the universe. Orochi was just a concept back them, with 0 feats. Therefore, the author, who's the one who made the statement, and didn't have planned the power of Orochi, didn't include Orochi in the statement.

Orochi is retroactively included, considering there is a canon statement of Boros being stronger than him. Stop pouting and just prove it's been retconned, or else the statement stays canon.
It should be easy or you, considering you're definitely the correct one here, right? Surely you have evidence supporting a claim you made, right?

Also, that same databook considers Tatsumaki being capable of moving all of creation and having no weight limit of what She can lift, Atomic Samurai being able to cut at an atomic level, etc. etc. Flowery language, bruh.

Exaggerating someone's strength and abilities is not comparable to a statement directly saying A>Bi
also Atomic Samurai being able to split atoms is still a possibility, even though it's contested, so who even knows.

The statement is canon. It's just that, as common sense says: you can't use a statement to scale Boros to a character who didn't display anything until years later.

admits the statement is canon and then immediately proceeds to claim it's invalid for scaling to a character it applies to
I am very disappointed in you young man.

Bruh, here we come again with this false equivalence.

Please, learn the difference between using a statement made by an author to scale Boros to a character who was a mere concept back then, to use a direct feat of the series to scale Saitama to a character who didn't show to get any stronger.

the difference is nothing, because both statements are canon. Got any proof it's not canon? (The answer is no)

I mean, if we use Genos stating in the Databook that Earth was going to be destroyed as knowledge Genos had (leaving alone Genos didn't know how strong Tatsumaki was), that means Genos knows Saitama can defeat planet buster enemies.

Which means Genos thinks Gouketsu is a planet level threat since he thought Saitama needed help to defeat him. Guess who scales above Gouketsu? Orochi. Guess who scales above Orochi? Tatsumaki.

Using that kind of argument isn't good...

And, for your information: authors can change their opinion of how strong a character is. Back then, Murata stated it was unsure if Tatsumaki'd be able to kill Orochi. But now she stomps him. Authors opinion of their characters change. That's why authors statements, which are the ones reflected in a databook (so outlierish as this one is, "moving all of creation", "being able to cut down to atoms", "the strongests of the universe", etc.) are taken with the grain of salt. And imagine using it to scale Boros above a character who was unknown back then lol

Murata is an unreliable source and is technically just non-canon, but the wiki listens to him anyways

yknow what, let's just go ahead and stop listening to genos too, he doesn't know shit! All we're left with is...... statements of Boros being the strongest in the universe. Compelling argument.
Considering how they very repeatedly say boros is the strongest in the universe, it's very obvious that they're not just exaggerating. But hey, if that's not good enough, then I guess we can just toss out the entire guidebook, since apparently literally everything that results in an upgrade must be flowery language. If we can't trust 3 uncontradicted statements beating it into the reader's ****** head, I guess we literally can't accept anything from it.

 

[Recon1511]

And, for your information: authors can change their opinion of how strong a character is. Back then, Murata stated it was unsure if Tatsumaki'd be able to kill Orochi. But now she stomps him. Authors opinion of their characters change. That's why authors statements, which are the ones reflected in a databook (so outlierish as this one is, "moving all of creation", "being able to cut down to atoms", "the strongests of the universe", etc.) are taken with the grain of salt. And imagine using it to scale Boros above a character who was unknown back then lol

That Murata statement gets really misinterpreted a lot. The whole "Orochi = WC Golden Sperm" or "Unsure about Tatsumaki beating Orochi" come from streams where Murata was drawing Garou vs Orochi and had 0 idea what his power level would be since ONE hadn't decided anything yet, he was quite literally speculating casually with those who were watching him during the stream. Stop bringing them up.

Spoiler: Murata making it clear he has no ******* idea what is going to happen next

26/5/2018​

Q: Monster King's design is so complicated how is it going to be animate?

A: I'm not worried about it. In fact, I will even make the drawings more complicated, fancier, and more explosive. I'm not going to tune down the drawings for the animation. The animation team are professionals, they know how to find an easy way out to cover up the complicated design of such character.

Q: I've heard JC Staff is not good at animating battle scenes, wonder if it's true.

A: Hmmm.... well hopefully they can keep it up...

Murata: Gyoro Gyoro will be burned to death by Orochi's fire if she didn't use her shield.

Murata: Garou will fight Darkshine next just like in the webcomic. Fighting Darkshine after Orochi is fine, Darkshine is super strong, you'll see! His muscles are amazing, he just lacks a little willpower.

Murata: Orochi is probably included to let Tatsumaki get injured, so Psykos can use the opportunity to sneak attack Tatsumaki. Having her directly sneak attacking and injuring Tatsumaki in the original was a little far-fetched.

Q: Sensei, how do you think the fight between Tatsumaki and Orochi is going to be?

A: The fight between Orochi and Tatsumaki? We'll see how that goes when I receive ONE's storyboards.

Murata: Orochi being Blast? Oh, this is interesting. Blast is really strong, I don't want him to die. Plus Tatsumaki won't mention her relationship with Blast until much later, so he won't be making an entrance now, therefore that is not a possibility.

Murata: Orochi's tail is modeled after a sandworm. I went fishing during golden week earlier in the month and got bitten by the worms used as live bait. I found them particularly gross and decided to model Orochi's tail after it.

This makes it clear that any Murata statement that is like this has no more value than the opinion of a random OPM fan unless he is directly quoting ONE or talking about an event he has already drawn/seen storyboards of

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The only reason we listen to Murata is because ONE probably tells him these things occasionally, but even then he's essentially just the 2nd lowest priority source, and if he's contradicted by anything he's just overruled
the only exception is the anime, like when he criticized something about tatsumaki pulling down a meteor iirc.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

so I guess we can also take infinite power saitama as canon as well, right?

Yeah

which still doesn't matter, because that's never been a requirement and still isn't, along with you repeatedly ignoring the fact that even if Boros wasn't written with Orochi's feat in mind, Orochi was still written with Boros very much in mind. Seems you're ignoring the parts that debunks you, bruh

You still have shown no proof of Orochi being written with Boros in mind.

And yes, it obviously matters. If I say "this character is the strongest in the verse", then other character even stronger with feats appears one arc after, does the statement still apply? Obviously not. Because when I made the statement, such character didn't exist, I didn't know how strong it'd be.

I didn't ignore it, I responded to it. I said that the statement is canon, and until you can prove that it's retconned, it's still canon. The end.

It being canon ≠ it applies to Orochi.

to a character who was practically written to be weaker than Boros*
to literally the main villain of the very next major arc*

Headcanon

It's not headcanon, he literally references Boros in the pre redraw orochi fight, ONE was quite clearly thinking of him

He doesn't, the best reference is "the whole universe blah blah", which is not even a direct refference.

Even with that, the reference is rectonned out.

Orochi is retroactively included, considering there is a canon statement of Boros being stronger than him.

No, it's not. There is a statement of Boros being "the strongest in the universe" before Orochi's strength was even planned.

Exaggerating someone's strength and abilities is not comparable to a statement directly saying A>Bi

Which is not the case here lmao

also Atomic Samurai being able to split atoms is still a possibility, even though it's contested, so who even knows.

Yeah, because Atomic Samurai can split to atoms, yet he couldn't kill a character who regenerates from cells

admits the statement is canon and then immediately proceeds to claim it's invalid for scaling to a character it applies to
I am very disappointed in you young man.

It doesn't apply to Orochi, bruh. Why are you assuming that? There are tons of characters weaker than Orochi in

yknow what, let's just go ahead and stop listening to genos too, he doesn't know shit! All we're left with is...... statements of Boros being the strongest in the universe. Compelling argument.

"Let's stop listening to anything that proves my argument is wrong!"

Considering how they very repeatedly say boros is the strongest in the universe, it's very obvious that they're not just exaggerating. But hey, if that's not good enough, then I guess we can just toss out the entire guidebook, since apparently literally everything that results in an upgrade must be flowery language.

Are we using that guidebook for something right now? I doubt it lol

If we can't trust 3 uncontradicted statements beating it into the reader's ****** head, I guess we literally can't accept anything from it.

"3 uncontradicted statements"

If by uncontradicted you mean "Boros was the strongest of the universe back then, when Orochi was nothing but a project whose abilities were completely unknown even for the authors", then yeah, it is.

That Murata statement gets really misinterpreted a lot. The whole "Orochi = WC Golden Sperm" or "Unsure about Tatsumaki beating Orochi" come from streams where Murata was drawing Garou vs Orochi and had 0 idea what his power level would be since ONE hadn't decided anything yet, he was quite literally speculating casually with those who were watching him during the stream. Stop bringing them up.

This makes it clear that any Murata statement that is like this has no more value than the opinion of a random OPM fan unless he is directly quoting ONE or talking about an event he has already drawn/seen storyboards of

He was speculating because Orochi's power was not known. And I'm referring to this, actually:

Murata: Beefcake is 10 times bigger than Orochi. And Orochi is going to showcase his disgusting powerful skills, he will become even stronger. If the three generals under Boros work together against Orochi...Let me think...If they plan it properly they could have a very minimal chance of winning, almost next to nothing. After all, it's still unsure if Tatsumaki can beat Orochi.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Yeah

I respect this take actually, but unfortunately I'm going to have to rip apart the rest of your post in a few moments

 

[Ped2018]

Go Ziller Go

 

[Recon1511]

He was speculating because Orochi's power was not known. And I'm referring to this, actually:

Brother he doesn't know shit stop he literally admits it and all of the interviews are before Saitama vs Orochi (and way before the redraw) all of his statements that aren't quoting ONE or talking about already released chapters have next to zero credibility

 

[ZillertheBucko]

You still have shown no proof of Orochi being written with Boros in mind.

And yes, it obviously matters. If I say "this character is the strongest in the verse", then other character even stronger with feats appears one arc after, does the statement still apply? Obviously not. Because when I made the statement, such character didn't exist, I didn't know how strong it'd be.

It wouldn't apply because you are just a reader and your word is not actually canon
the very big difference here is that one is canon and the other is not. The statement is still canon if a new character is introduced, and is only invalid once there is evidence suggesting that it's retconned, which I am giving you and opportunity to provide:

It being canon ≠ it applies to Orochi.

that's exactly what it means
it's canon, which means that in-universe, the statement is true until disproven
considering that the statement is still true when orochi does the feat, that logically means that

gonna cover a bit of filler all at once because we need to condense this down a bit to make the back and forth easier...

Headcanon

He doesn't, the best reference is "the whole universe blah blah", which is not even a direct refference.

Even with that, the reference is rectonned out.

No, it's not. There is a statement of Boros being "the strongest in the universe" before Orochi's strength was even planned.

Which is not the case here lmao

Yeah, because Atomic Samurai can split to atoms, yet he couldn't kill a character who regenerates from cells

It doesn't apply to Orochi, bruh. Why are you assuming that? There are tons of characters weaker than Orochi in

"Let's stop listening to anything that proves my argument is wrong!"

it's a direct reference considering it's literally boros' title. The reference being retconned out means nothing, because this is an argument about the author's intent at the time, so it not being canon doesn't actually matter in this case for once. Technically speaking, atomic samurai splitting atoms doesn't stop sperm or melza's regen, since sperm's simply works by reforming the smaller chunks into new sperms, and melza kinda just recombines everything
in order for atom splitting to actually negate a cellular regen, he would have to cut each individual cell. That's the reason why zombieman hasn't been given mid high regen yet, because even if you vaporize every other part of his body and leave his head remaining, he would just regen from the head rather than the vaporized cells. So atom splitting really has no bearing on this, considering that all he's doing is cutting sperm in to big slices, not vaporizing every piece of him.
And no, I agree that genos is a shitty source, and the fact that he is does indeed prove that the genos argument is wrong, therefore it's invalid and can't be included. As I said, when genos is invalid, the only thing left is the 3 statements

Are we using that guidebook for something right now? I doubt it lol

yes actually, on tatsumaki, boros, and I'm pretty sure pig god too
and also something else but I don't wanna piss off recon by bringing it up

"3 uncontradicted statements"

If by uncontradicted you mean "Boros was the strongest of the universe back then, when Orochi was nothing but a project whose abilities were completely unknown even for the authors", then yeah, it is.

yep, those statements.
since you seem to think they're contradicted, I'd like you to show a contradiction. Seems relatively straight forward. If you can do that successfully, then I'll completely agree with you and end the crt.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Isn't, you know... Just easier to argue that Boros scales above Tatsumaki?

There are indeed some arguments like Saitama in his Pre-Training being already stronger than Tatsumaki, and yet calling Boros the strongest in the universe, implying that he's far more impressed from Boros than Tats, other than the spaceship stuff.

 

[Ped2018]

Isn't, you know... Just easier to argue that Boros scales above Tatsumaki?

There are indeed some arguments like Saitama in his Pre-Training being already stronger than Tatsumaki, and yet calling Boros the strongest in the universe, implying that he's far more impressed from Boros than Tats, other than the spaceship stuff.

That's the plan B

 

[StrymULTRA]

That's the plan B

Now that sounds desperate.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Isn't, you know... Just easier to argue that Boros scales above Tatsumaki?

There are indeed some arguments like Saitama in his Pre-Training being already stronger than Tatsumaki, and yet calling Boros the strongest in the universe, implying that he's far more impressed from Boros than Tats, other than the spaceship stuff.

Perhaps….I just assumed this thread would go through easier first, but I’m not sure

 

[StrymULTRA]

I definitely don't doubt that Boros is stronger, but this just ain't it.

Saitama was already used to Boros' power, why would he be impressed twice if he already saw a similar degree?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I definitely don't doubt that Boros is stronger, but this just ain't it.

Saitama was already used to Boros' power, why would he be impressed twice if he already saw a similar degree?

which would still prove orochi's power is comparable to boros at best
that's why I was sure this one would be easy

 

[StrymULTRA]

Meh...

A thing would be to make that High 6-A for Pre-Training Saitama a solid tier, and then it should become easier.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

idk
I mean, after all I'm only asking for a possibly rating here
I give boros withstanding 2 normal punches, I give orochi being obliterated by both
I give saitama calling boros strong 5 times, I give him implying orochi is weak twice
I give 3 statements of boros being the strongest in the universe, I give evidence that orochi's training had been weak for at least a year before the boros fight
and all I'm asking for is a possibly rating, just people agreeing that there's a 10% chance that Boros is stronger than Orochi
we have given more over for so much less too, so it's a bit strange to me
anyways, I'm gonna continuing arguing for this crt for the time being, and hopefully it gets accepted over time.

 

[Tyri456]

Isn't, you know... Just easier to argue that Boros scales above Tatsumaki?

There are indeed some arguments like Saitama in his Pre-Training being already stronger than Tatsumaki, and yet calling Boros the strongest in the universe, implying that he's far more impressed from Boros than Tats, other than the spaceship stuff.

this can’t be applied anymore, saitama was impressed by tatsumaki in the recent chapters meaning tatsumaki‘s real strenght is far above what she displayed at the start of the manga.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

this can’t be applied anymore, saitama was impressed by tatsumaki in the recent chapters meaning tatsumaki‘s real strenght is far above what she displayed at the start of the manga.

And yet we literally scale in-training saitama to her feats
see this double standard everyone has when it comes to Boros?

 

[Kachon123]

Boros should simply scale above Tatsumaki due to being called the strongest in the universe. We don't have to go through Orochi. He makes things way too convoluted.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Boros should simply scale above Tatsumaki due to being called the strongest in the universe. We don't have to go through Orochi. He makes things way too convoluted.

I'm also perfectly fine with scaling Boros above Tatsumaki

 

[ZillertheBucko]

should a new crt be made then?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Isn't, you know... Just easier to argue that Boros scales above Tatsumaki?

There are indeed some arguments like Saitama in his Pre-Training being already stronger than Tatsumaki, and yet calling Boros the strongest in the universe, implying that he's far more impressed from Boros than Tats, other than the spaceship stuff.

Mainly because Saitama during training was already at one of his High 6-A levels by scale Tatsumaki.

I think this would be easier, and maybe the Orochi stuff could be used as a base and not as the main one.

 

[Kachon123]

should a new crt be made then?

I don't think it's needed

 

[ZillertheBucko]

ok, well I guess I'll edit the OP

 

[ZillertheBucko]

welp, the crt is beginning to break its limiter. The OP has been edited accordingly.

 

[Ped2018]

welp, the crt is beginning to break its limiter. The OP has been edited accordingly.

Post it on the OPM and Boros discussion thread

 

[ZillertheBucko]

bump

 

[Shmeatywerbenmanjenson]

Shit I missed everything

I wasn't 100% on board with the Orochi stuff but this Tatsumaki scaling might pay off

However the statement about Boros being the Strongest in the Universe and Saitama being the strongest of Mankind doesn't automatically put Boros above Tatsumaki

The statement itself clearly separates the Universe from Earth, treating the planet as something not lumped in with the universe statement

We have no idea how the second or even third strongest Being on the planet would fair against him

For now I'd say focus on the narrative clues that support Boros > Tatsumaki

 

[Cyber_VERGIL]

Following, agree

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Shit I missed everything

I wasn't 100% on board with the Orochi stuff but this Tatsumaki scaling might pay off

However the statement about Boros being the Strongest in the Universe and Saitama being the strongest of Mankind doesn't automatically put Boros above Tatsumaki

The statement itself clearly separates the Universe from Earth, treating the planet as something not lumped in with the universe statement

We have no idea how the second or even third strongest Being on the planet would fair against him

For now I'd say focus on the narrative clues that support Boros > Tatsumaki

Well maybe, not exactly
strongest in the universe does by default include the earth, and the only exception is of course saitama for obvious reasons
The other stuff probably wouldn’t work as well after the 182nd chapter, it only is good proof that Boros scales above Orochi


By the way, I put this through DeepL a few times and got this

internal
disruption
tadasu
While destroying the interior, Saitama arrived at the
central part of the city
inner sanctum
hoko (Japanese word for spear)
man
The deepest part ... there, the man who boasts of being the strongest in the universe, Boro
now
mankind's most powerful man in the universe
was waiting for him! Here and now, the strongest mankind
the most powerful man in the universe
the battle of the strongest in the universe begins.
The battle for the strongest in the universe begins.
The battle of the strongest in the universe begins.
1

Translated with DeepL (https://www.deepl.com/app/?utm_source=ios&utm_medium=app&utm_campaign=share-translation

“The battle for the strongest in the universe” meaning that the winner of the fight would be the strongest in the universe
Also in case you’re wondering if the TL is right, I also put it through gpt-4 and google TL and both say “the strongest battle in the universe begins”
DeepL I am aware takes more account info proper useage of sentences, but both statements have similar meaning.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I dunno man, the statement does imply somehow that Saitama and Boros were the strongest characters, as it's basically saying "Strongest vs Strongest".