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Humanity's Greatest Tournament Round 1 Match 2: Finn Balor VS Chisato Nishikigi (GRACE)

Cimafranca133 said:
It isn't her only win con tho, she can also just knock him out...
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I debunked the possibility of a K.O. Wincon last night I believe
Pikaman said:
This is a big one. I see a lot of mentions of “K.O.” as a possible win condition here, without the acknowledgment that The Demon would have to be out cold 24 whole hours. That’s EXTREMELY unlikely, and while it presents itself as a definite possibility, it’s not the massive win-con it’s been propped up as.
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Finn’s win-cons are far more reliable, given a combination of being able to counter Chisato’s analytical prediction, much higher AP, and finishers that will put her well out of the fight at pretty much any stage of it. Even being modest with Finn’s potential routes of both defence and offence, he has a variety of useful abilities that simply add up to more than Chisato’s flawed restraint and K.O. based win-conditions
 
Pikaman said:
I debunked the possibility of a K.O. Wincon last night I believe


Finn’s win-cons are far more reliable, given a combination of being able to counter Chisato’s analytical prediction, much higher AP, and finishers that will put her well out of the fight at pretty much any stage of it. Even being modest with Finn’s potential routes of both defence and offence, he has a variety of useful abilities that simply add up to more than Chisato’s flawed restraint and K.O. based win-conditions
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Cool, still need a scan of him using tp in a fight...
 
Cimafranca133 said:
They are not within each others line of sight and the fight takes place at a bullet train
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I doubt she wouldn't be able to immediately notice him.

Pikaman said:
Teleportation can close gaps, and Chisato isn’t amazing at long-ranged accuracy with her guns, even without acknowledging The Demon can shroud the entire train in darkness
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The teleportation seemed to have a range of like, a few meters AT BEST. And does he spam both the darkness shit or teleportation shiz?
 
Idk why everyone argues for teleportation and light manip, watch any of Balor's matches, even with the Demon persona on, and you'll see he doesn't use neither ability in combat.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
I think you guys missed what i said above, so i'll quote it here:
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I just woke up so missed this lol.

Popted2 said:
i know but i definetly don't want to loose to this guy
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Don't worry you two. Logan will fight him to avenge!

Anyway hmm... I think generally his teleportation won't be spammed in fights but on the fact that his opponent had a gun it's not exactly a conventional wrestling match.

Gonna vote tie.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
The teleportation seemed to have a range of like, a few meters AT BEST.
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Not at all, The Demon was nowhere to be seen before, so he must have been teleporting from beyond the length of the runway. That’s tens of metres with relative ease


Rikimarox2 said:
And does he spam both the darkness shit or teleportation shiz?
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It is generally what The Demon uses to get the jump on people in an all-out brawl without the usual rules of a wrestling match holding him back, yes. It is very much an in-character and combat applicable move that completely counters Chisato, as I have mentioned above




Popted2 said:
about enhanced senses, Chisato could hit someone approaching her, without even looking

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There’s quite a lot of ways this can be interpreted based on context around the situation we frankly don’t have. But Chisato takes her time to equip her gun properly, line up her shot, and fire. The Demon, who is teleporting right behind her in all likelihood, will not give her the leisure of that much time


SamanPatou said:
Idk why everyone argues for teleportation and light manip, watch any of Balor's matches, even with the Demon persona on, and you'll see he doesn't use neither ability in combat.
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Saman, I have made it very clear how The Demon has used both of these abilities in-character and in combat. WWE is more than just wrestling matches, and there are many abilities that characters show when they are placed within the all-out brawl situation Vs Matches fall under. If you are not going to listen to the main supporters of the verse’s explanations on how the verse’s abilities and characters work, I can’t do much more.
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
But honestly, what Riki and Saman said here are much more sense here as it raised some of questionable things on Finn
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I have debunked both of them…

The fact your answer to my points on how Finn’s hax helps him is to apply ridiculous levels of scrutiny to them and their combat applicability, while using comments that prove you don’t understand the full scope of the verse
SamanPatou said:
watch any of Balor's matches
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to do so, is frankly frustrating me. I know this verse, and I know this character.
 
CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
I just woke up so missed this lol.


Don't worry you two. Logan will fight him to avenge!

Anyway hmm... I think generally his teleportation won't be spammed in fights but on the fact that his opponent had a gun it's not exactly a conventional wrestling match.

Gonna vote tie.
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Can you show me scans where he uses it constantly in combat instead of just for show? The justification scan just shows him suddenly on the pole waiting to attack (Which will get him nicely beaten the shit out of if he does that in any place in this match)
 
Demon is only used 4 times (On main roster it's a special character) and every time he shows up he does do the light Manip and appear out of no where

 
Rikimarox2 said:
Can you show me scans where he uses it constantly in combat instead of just for show? The justification scan just shows him suddenly on the pole waiting to attack (Which will get him nicely beaten the shit out of if he does that in any place in this match)
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???

He literally teleported on the pole, waiting for the right moment to strike.
 
Pikaman said:
I have debunked both of them…

The fact your answer to my points on how Finn’s hax helps him is to apply ridiculous levels of scrutiny to them and their combat applicability, while using comments that prove you don’t understand the full scope of the verse
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Your debunk isn't enough to falling what Chisato can do here, even with all of those stuff you mention yet has very flawed thing
Pikaman said:
to do so, is frankly frustrating me. I know this verse, and I know this character.
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Don't be so passionate then if it only stressed you out over a fictional debate
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
???

He literally teleported on the pole, waiting for the right moment to strike.
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He stood there for (apparently) 7~ seconds before jumping in. I moreso expected, you know, insta teleported and beat the shit out of his opponents, not wait for them for some reason to look at him. Especially when you realize the dude he was fighting had his back turned.

(Maybe I read too much web novels and it rotted my brain, but that's always what I think of when it comes to teleportation in-combat)
 
Rikimarox2 said:
(Maybe I read too much web novels and it rotted my brain, but that's always what I think of when it comes to teleportation in-combat)
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This is exactly why lol.

Some mfs just watch too many web novels or anime and downplay WWE because it's "different" from other verses.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
He stood there for (apparently) 7~ seconds before jumping in.
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I always interpreted that as a pseudo-cinematic timing thing where there’s a pause in action for the audience to soak in The Demon’s appearance (especially after a multi-year hiatus) before the action resumes. It’s like one of those flashy reveals in anime - to put it into those kind of terms
 
I’ve posted a video of The Demon using Teleportation and Light Manipulation in combat, I genuinely don’t know what else I have to do 😭😭😭
 
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