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Humanity's Greatest Tournament Round 1 Match 2: Finn Balor VS Chisato Nishikigi (GRACE)

Arnoldstone18 said:
Skill capable of taking on those with analytical prediction as well as stealth via light and smoke manipulation to not only counter her analytical prediction entirely but also disorientate her. I’m leaning towards Finn Balor.
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I feel all of that shouldn't be enough but fair
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Tho i feel this debate is pointless since either the two would lose to Daniel in next round, it's lose-lose situation if they win
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I can still make a vs thread for whoever loses if you want 👀

That said can you confirm that Chisato is bad at shooting from afar? I didn't get that vibe from her at all minus her rushing to the enemy
 
Well now i'm thinking again, i feel this match outcome is incon at best since both can win and while Finn has an higher chance, it still going to be thought and the turn can change to Chisato favor if she's clever enough
DemonicDude said:
What has Axiom done and why is he being brought up ?
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something about analytical prediction, do you have an issue with this?
CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
That said can you confirm that Chisato is bad at shooting from afar? I didn't get that vibe from her at all minus her rushing to the enemy
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The whole "poor aim" is pretty low-key downplay, she can still use it as long range and can bingo'd the hit, it just lowering the accuracy but nowhere make it "poor aim"
 
I'm just glad Finn Balor can compete with an anime girl ngl. When's the Chisato in WWE arc?
Veloxt1r0kore said:
The whole "poor aim" is pretty low-key downplay, she can still use it as long range and can bingo'd the hit, it just lowering the accuracy but nowhere make it "poor aim"
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Yeah it sounds more like a "Not as great, but not really bad" thing.

Gonna wait for more info for tomorrow though before I vote.
 
Look Axiom is a brand new wrestler who debuted literally 3 months ago he's a newbie. Balor has been wrestling for over decades in general since 2008 he's by default leagues I repeat LEAGUES above anything Axiom has done he's not even on the same show which Balor currently fights on.
 
DemonicDude said:
Look Axiom is a brand new wrestler who debuted literally 3 months ago he's a newbie. Balor has been wrestling for over decades in general since 2008 he's by default leagues I repeat LEAGUES above anything Axiom has done he's not even on the same show which Balor currently fights on.
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Exactly lol.

That's what I was saying in the Theory vs Axiom thread, too.
 
DemonicDude said:
Look Axiom is a brand new wrestler who debuted literally 3 months ago he's a newbie. Balor has been wrestling for over decades in general since 2008 he's by default leagues I repeat LEAGUES above anything Axiom has done he's not even on the same show which Balor currently fights on.
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Anyways, as DD said, Balor, as well as The Demon, is leagues above Axiom, so I can confidently say that Balor can circumvent Chisato's Anal Predict.

Veloxt1r0kore said:
Don't forget the disaster of Austin vs Ace
But that made me happy because now i know that Chisato can wreck this little twig
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Tbf, that shit wasn't my fault. One Piece fans just couldn't cope with the fact that a WWE character outskilled Ace.
 
RandomGuy2345 said:
Anyways, as DD said, Balor, as well as The Demon, is leagues above Axiom, so I can confidently say that Balor can circumvent Chisato's Anal Predict.
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after this match i really don't want to see another Chisato vs WWE again

again Chisato is much more skilled then him, why do you act like his skill is even close to her?

also i'm tired now so i will let the others debate for her for a while
 
It's more over the fact that he fought and surpassed someone who has a analytical predicition which also factoring his skill
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Don't see how this going to change the outcome tbh
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Because I’m going to explain later how her restraining device is a pretty shit win-con
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Still pretty inconsistent to say
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No… it’s not? I’ve proven it is an in-character, combat-applicable option. You can’t just dismiss this casually.


Veloxt1r0kore said:
Even if he has AP res the teleportation still going to be countered
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With what? Finn is above those who have bested analytical prediction users through pure skill alone, and Chisato has an implicit weakness with her AP in that it doesn’t help against sneak attacks. What can she do to prevent the teleportation from working as an offence?


Veloxt1r0kore said:
i think you outsell this light manip too much
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I mean it’s pivotal to Finn’s primary win-con, so I don’t think I am. Frankly, I think The Demon’s hax has been underrepresented in its usefulness. The Demon Finn Bálor is not “Austin Theory with new tricks” for example…


Veloxt1r0kore said:
I feel like the "poor aim" isn't that much of big deal if you ask me
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It’s MASSIVE. Her inability to use her ranged weapons at any kind of actual long range makes them rather unreliable in most circumstances (not to say they aren’t going to help Chisato here, they obviously will.)


Veloxt1r0kore said:
The whole "poor aim" is pretty low-key downplay, she can still use it as long range and can bingo'd the hit, it just lowering the accuracy but nowhere make it "poor aim"
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Yes, but can she use it in the dark 👀


OK, now onto the stuff I didn’t debunk last night, and then my actual argument for Finn
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Even worse, he'll get knocked out from the train by Chisato combined skill/LS/acrobatict/close-combat
Like, the battlefield favored a lot on Chisato side
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BFR on this minor of a level is 0 use against a teleporter, and this would backfire MASSIVELY for Chisato if this ended up killing The Demon


CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
Gonna be honest if he has Analytical Prediction Resistance it should be listed on his profile
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I was under the impression you don’t list “resistance to analytical prediction



SamanPatou said:
Bear in mind that defeating someone with AP doesn't mean you have the same ability or greater ability.
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I ASSURE you Finn is leagues above Axiom, Axiom is literally in the WWE B-League, Finn has been World Champion, beating people with higher AP than him on the route to doing so…


SamanPatou said:
unable to get close
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Teleportation says hello




Ok, is that it? Right, onto how The Demon wins, rather than how he doesn’t lose


Ok, so Chisato can’t do jack shit against The Demon’s hax is about the summery of it-


The Demon can work around Chisato’s Analytical Prediction face to face, completely circumvent it with teleportation and light manipulation, and when The Demon gets hits in, with a nearly 3x AP advantages they will hit HARD. This is without mentioning the 1916, which will in all likelihood put Chisato down for the count. Not to mention Chisato’s only proper win-con - her restraining device - can not be operated in the dark. The Demon’s hax are able to null Chisato’s biggest advantages and exploit her weaknesses, giving Finn the toolkit required to take Chisato down.* I’ll officially lodge my vote in for Finn now

*That was a brief summary of my views on the matchup, and I’m happy to go more in depth on anything people need me to!
 
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