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Huge Xehanort Revision and Others

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So the point of this thread is to try and revise most of the verse's abilities in a CRT. Why a single CRT? Because creating multiple of them is annoying and time consuming, a single one is easier. Doubt this is everything, so tell me what's missing so that I could add it.

First Key
Xehanort should have the following scaling from his younger self

Time Manipulation: Reversed time against the BBS trio, and resets the battle to the beginning against Riku .He should also possess slow as other Keyblade Wielders can use it.

Immersion: Sent Sora into Verum Rex

Invisibility: Can become invisible

Curse and Death Manipulation: Doom instantly kills the target when it reaches 0.

Reality Warping: Split the Toy Story world into two different worlds

Xehanort's spatial manipulation should be changed to attack reflection as it better fits the definition of him redirecting Braig's shots

BFR: Threw Mickey and Ventus into the Lanes Betwee

Pseudo Black Hole Creation: Created a 'black hole' that consumed the entirety of the Land of Departure into it

Non Corporeal: He should only have this as a heart.

Acausality Type 1: Can coexist with his past self in the present, and created a time loop in which his past cannot be tampered with.

Time Stop Resistance Negation: Froze Mickey and Riku in time stop, both having a resistance to time stop.

Creation/Darkness Manipulation: Created Vanitas from the darkness within Ven's heart, and it had the side effect of killing him if his heart didn't connect with Sora's

Possible Causality Manipulation: As a Keyblade Master (all Keyblade Masters possess the PoW), he should scale to Sora's misuse of the Power of Waking ,which rewrote the entire timeline.

Third Key
Summoning: Xehanort with the X-Blade was capable bringing forth Kingdom Hearts

Light Manipulation/Absorption: Controls Kingdom Hearts which is the source of all light, stole the light out of Sora's heart which made him incapable of harming Xehanort

Illusion Creation or Duplication: Created organization members to attack Sora

Barrier Creation:Created a barrier to block a shot from Sora

Pockey Reality Manipulation: Controlled all of Scala Ad Caluem as shown in his boss fight.

Possible Fate Manipulation: After creating his new world, Xehanort would've taken control of destiny to dictate people. This is backed up by the Japanese version where Sora states that a true leader wouldn't seize the fate/destiny of the world. Note that I added "possible" since Xehanort doesn't make it clear if he would've used KH to do that or not.
https://phoenix-downer.tumblr.com/post/183399195018/sora-and-xehanorts-final-conversation-japanese

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This blog covers the translation for the destiny part, so just scroll down.

Creation: "From the light came the people, and the people had hearts ."

He should have the abilities of all organization members after merging with them on his profile instead of just stating he could potentially use them.

Reality Warping: Self explanatory

Law Manipulation: Kingdom Hearts created the worlds which run on different set of rules and laws. This is backed up by Donald telling Sora how worlds work.

Abstract Existence Type 1: This would only be for Kingdom Hearts as it's made up of all hearts in existence , and the source of all light in existence.

Organization Members
The organization members have mostly complete profiles, but they're still missing things.

Xemnas should have Absorption and Power Nullification as he saps health from Sora and locks his commands. Along with electricity and barrier creation which he uses in his fight against Sora in KH1, and empowerment as he visually amped Luxord.

Marluxia turned Mother Gothel into a Heartless, so he should get Mind Manipulation and Corruption.

Luxord gets sealing for putting Mickey into one of his cards

Xigbar should have outright Possession instead of just likely , and his weakness/intelligence mentioning being laid back and not serious removed due to his Xigbar persona being a rouse.

Every original organization member has a signature element from Days that they're missing, so the following people get:

Power Nullification: Saix's element, Moon silences the person's ability to use abilities, and Space for Xigbar robs their ability to jump.

Paralyzing: A side effect of Vexen's Ice and Xaldin's wind immobilizes the enemy.

Durability Negation: Lexaeus's Earth halves the enemies' HP, and Xemnas' Nil bypasses defenses.

Time Manipulation: Luxord's Time rewinds the target's defense to 1, which doubles as Durability Negation.

Life Absorption: Demyx's Water damage drains the target, giving you their HP from damage.

Spatial Manipulation: Zexion's Illusion flips the target's controls.

Every organization member, even the original, get summoning for commanding lesser Nobodies

Xemnas threatened to destroy Lea's soul, this might scale to other characters, but it needs input.

Terranort (who's currently merged with Xehanort), should be given a separate key for hax, with all of Xehanort's base powers and Terra's.

Vanitas has the following via the Unversed:

Duplication, Power Mimicry, and Information Manipulation: The Mimic Master creates a duplicate of whoever its fighting, absorbing info to create a fake of them.

Statistics Amplification: Each time the Iron Prisoner removes a chain, it gets far stronger

Invisibility: The Metamorphosis turns invisible via Vanish

Poison Manipulation: Throws fruit that poisons whoever it touches

Explosion Manipulation: The Tank Toppler explodes when making conact with enemies

Mind Manipulation: The Mandrake confuses the target

Sound Manipulation:The Symphony Master uses sound waves and musical notes to attack

Time Stop: The Chrono Twister traps you in time stop

Keyblade Additions
I'm honestly surprised that Keyblade Wielders didn't have these in the first place, but whatever.

Sealing/BFR: The Keyblade is capable of sealing things such as the heart of a world, physical objects, Kingdom Hearts itself, etc.

Curse Manipulation/Removal: It was heavily implied that the Keyblade could remove Calypso's curse of being bound in a mortal body.

Immortality Types 3, 5, and 8 negation: The Keyblade is the only weapon that is capable of permanently stopping Heartless from reforming from darkness.In Port Royal, Pete states the magic Sora and co possesses is different, allowing them to kill the pirates in their skeletal form,consistently being stated to be dead nor alive instead of just undead.

Immortality Type 6 and Life Force Extraction: Keyblade Masters are capable of inserting their own heart into a new body to live indefinitely. The Keyblade can remove the heart of someone, turning their heart into a Heartless and erasing them.

Conceptual Manipulation: The Keyblade can destroy the very existence of darkness.

Possible Causality Manipulation: This is for only Keyblade Masters, but it was heavily implied by Yensid that Keyblade Masters in general know the Power of Waking , and that it's not just limited to Mickey, Sora, and Riku's knowledge.

Adding what Inverted Tempest said below:

"Check the images above. First off, Xehanort's threat was just what made Yen Sid have them do the Mark of Mystery in hopes Sora and Riku could learn the Power of Waking, to show they would be worthy of becoming masters. There is absolutely nothing ever stated that this was some sort of unique thing that only Sora and Riku could utilize. Quite the contrary actually, especially when Mickey was implied to be able to do the exact same to wake Sora's sleeping heart, but Riku was just sent because he had experience diving into Sora's dreams before.

It is said by Yen Sid they would gain the power to awaken sleeping worlds and hearts. This was what was being assessed in the first place to determine whether or not they would become Keyblade Masters. Check the second image link I sent, it literally has Yen Sid stating Riku learned the Power of Waking. Yen Sid named Riku as a Keyblade Master because of this and failed Sora because he had forgotten how to use the ability. The DDD Sectio literally reaffirms what I'm saying with what Speedster already posted."

Resistance to Time Stop and Magic:The Keyblade allowed Data Sora to move in time stop by holding the magic of the spell at bay.

Resistances
As Xehanort stated in his reports, he was entirely fine after exposing himself to the darkness within the Lanes Between, so he should get resistances to the following.

Resistance to Darkness Manipulation and Corruption: Xehanort even before becoming a Keyblade Master was unaffected by the influence of darkness.

The Realm of Darkness also has a couple statements which could give the entire cast some resistances, and this would apply to anyone who wears the coats or has been to the Realm of Darkness.

Resistance to Existence Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and Will Power Manipulation: The Realm of Darkness has been stated to eradicate existence itself within it, and anyone who's traveled there have never returned. Ansem by being in the Realm of Darkness was losing his sense of self and memories, having to give into his hatred to survive. Aqua not long after being in the Realm of Darkness lost the will to continue, and needed to stay true to her friends to fight it.

Every character who has broken out of their world should get a resistance to Law Manipulation as they're not apart of that world's laws and rules.

While the original organization members have resistance to Day's elements, they should be given an outright resistance to their own element from Days as they resist it, but every other resistance stays as a "possible" with the Master's Circle.

Miscellaneous
All Nobodies should get Possession and Data Manipulation via manipulating data Twilight Town, and possessing data Vivi.

Self explanitory Death Manipulation for Heartless.

Conclusion
Xehanort gets Time Manipulation, Immersion, Invisibility, Curse/Death Manipulation, Acausality Type 1, Reality Warping, Attack Reflection, BFR, Pseudo Black Hole Creation, Non Corporeal, Time Stop Resistance Negation, Creation, Possible Causality Negation, Summoning, Light Manipulation, Absorption, Illusion Creation or Duplication, Barrier Creation, Possible Fate Manipulation, Pocket Reality Manipulation, Creation, and every power of the true organization

The True Kingdom Hearts gets every power from Xehanort's third key sans every organization member's power, and Abstract Existence Type 1

Xemnas gets Power Nullification, Life Absorption, Electricity, Soul Manipulation, and Barrier Creation

Saix and Xigbar get Power Nullification

Vexen and Xaldin get immobilization

Lexaeus and Xemnas get Durability Negation

Demyx gets Life Absorption

Luxord gets Time Manipulation

Zexion gets Spatial Manipulation

Vanitas gets Duplication, Power Mimicry, Information Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Invisibility, Mind Manipulation, Explosion manipulation, Poison Manipulation, Sound Manipulation, and Time Stop via the Unversed.

Every Keyblade Wielder gets Sealing/BFR, Curse Removal, Immortality Type 3, 5, and 8 Negation, Immortality Type 6 and Life Force Extraction, Conceptual Manipulation, resistance to Time Stop and Magic.

Xehanort gets resistance to Darkness Manipulation and Corruption, and every character gets resistances to Existence Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Memory Manipulation, Soul Manipulation, Law Manipulation, and Will Power Manipulation

The original organization resists their own elements without equipment

Nobodies get Possession and Data Manipulation, and Heartless get Death Manipulation

Xehanort gets the following from merging with his vessels:

Void Manipulation, Life Absorption, Power Nullification, Empowerment, and Illusion Creation from Xemnas

After Image Creation, Chain Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Sleep Manipulation, BFR, Transmutation, Mind Manipulation, and Poison Manipulation from Terra/Terranort

Unversed, Mid Godly, and resistance to Regen Negation from Vanitas

Spatial Manipulation, and Danmaku from Xigbar

Power Nullification, and Rage Empowerment from Saix

Sealing from Luxord

Plant Manipulation, Corruption, Mind Manipulation, and Blindness Inducement from Marluxia

Light Manipulation from Xion

Current resistances from all true organization members via resisting their own elements
 
Wow, this is quite long, so I'll go ahead and say some stuff regarding this:

1.- Non-Corporeality is only for Xehanort? As you know that nearly everyone has a heart.

2.- Causality Manipulation is a no, Yen Sid basically wanted Sora and Riku to get such power for the bigger thread he felt was going to happen, the BbS trio for example don't have that power, respectively.

3.- Unless I'm missing something, the "fate" thing is flowery language, in context it seemed more like Xehanort just ruling with an iron fist, not actually having Fate Manip, otherwise he would have, you know, twisted Sora's fate so he lost to him, for example.

In other words, please quote the exact part that supports this (You didn't mention any quote beyond the link), as if we only go by what's in the EN version it easily is a no.

4.- For the Organization XIII powers scaling to Xehanort, well, I'm still not too sure on that one as he lacks feats overall regarding that, at best a "possibly" regarding that part may pass.

5.- Vanitas scaling to Unversed is a no, him creating them doesn't mean he can use those powers by himself

6.- The Law Manipulation, while arguably fine, may also affect the current scaling standards for stuff like KH Sulley. Just pointing that out, outside of that I'm fine with it

7.- Heartless turning flowers black isn't enought of a hint for Death Manip.

Everything else is fine.
 
"Non-Corporeality is only for Xehanort? As you know that nearly everyone has a heart."

He's one of the very few people to entirely function as just a heart and move as one, random characters getting it for other than "everyone has a heart" makes no sense. At best people like the Riku Replica, Ansem-Riku, etc get it.

"Causality Manipulation is a no, Yen Sid basically wanted Sora and Riku to get such power for the bigger thread he felt was going to happen, the BbS trio for example don't have that power, respectively."

Yensid told them a power which literally every Keyblade Master knows, and him wanting to teach it for the coming battle doesn't debunk its application for Causality Manipulation. The BBS Trio is a horrible example, none of them have used the PoW to Sora's extent, and Aqua is the only one who knows it.

"Unless I'm missing something, the "fate" thing is flowery language, in context it seemed more like Xehanort just ruling with an iron fist, not actually having Fate Manip, otherwise he would have, you know, twisted Sora's fate so he lost to him, for example."

Xehanort was clealry referring to using KH to rewrite the fate of the world, and Xehanort not Fate Maniping Sora is CIS plus he only had the power of KH at the very end, meaning he didn't have enough time. I'm fine with just having Fate Manipulation as a "possible" though.

"A real/true strong person doesn't grasp/seize (the) World's fate/destiny."

"In the Japanese version, the focus is on the World's fate/destiny, probably to parallel all those other times Xehanort spoke about the World, whereas the English version focuses on destiny in general. Sora also notes that a real leader/strong person doesn't try to control destiny or seize it for himself/herself. In fact, Sora would probably consider someone who does so to be unworthy of such power, just how he considers Xehanort unworthy of the power.

The English version adds in the pronoun "his" because again in Japanese pronouns tend to be omitted and implied from context. By saying what a real leader does here, he is saying that Xehanort is not one… and, perhaps, subtly claiming that he is one, as he has accepted his fate/destiny, whatever it may be."

The Japenese version as you can see is being more literal.

"For the Organization XIII powers scaling to Xehanort, well, I'm still not too sure on that one as he lacks feats overall regarding that, at best a "possibly" regarding that part may pass."

He doesn't need feats to show off he got their powers, he literally still merged with them and talked about Scala Ad Caleum being a place where he can become one with them. A "possibly" doesn't need to be when Xemnas has the original organization's powers for a similar reason.

"Vanitas scaling to Unversed is a no, him creating them doesn't mean he can use those powers by himself"

I never said that, I even said in my conclusion that he should have those via the Unversed. He passively creates them in combat.

"The Law Manipulation, while arguably fine, may also affect the current scaling standards for stuff like KH Sulley, just pointing that out, outside of that I' fine with it"

Why would it affect Sully?

"Heartless turning flowers black isn't enought of a hint for Death Manip."

We literally see the flowers wilt and then turn black, that's an obvious sign their dying when the Heartless get near them.
 
1.- When has he worked and moved around as a heart exactly? I don't recall that.

2.- Can you quote? If it's as you say, then it can pass.

3.- Mmm... so long it's still as a "possibly", as still I'm not sure on that one, althought it's still possible, hence why the "Possibly" rating on this one.

4.- If Xemnas already has all the Org's powers, then yeah, however, the OP should list what powers exactly Xehanort would get from that, so more proper discussion can be done.

5.- Oh, then it's fine, however, a very small amount of Unversed weren't actually made by him, IIRC, just pointing that out.

6.- Well, basically, it could mean that everyone can scale to tier 4 in some way.

7.- Then it's fine.
 
"When has he worked and moved around as a heart exactly? I don't recall tha"

From Ansem, he literally time traveled to Young Xehanort's era.

"Can you quote? If it's as you say, then it can pass."

There's not a specific quote for it, but we already know that a Keyblade Master potentially knows it from Yensid. The only difference between Yensid's Mark of Mastery and others is the way Yensid conducted it, not anything strength related. Also, it has a "possible" too.

"If Xemnas already has all the Org's powers, then yeah, however, the OP should list what powers exactly Xehanort would get from that, so more proper discussion can be done"

I've already listed the new ones Xehanort would get, but he would still be able to use their application of said ability.

"Oh, then it's fine, however, a very small amount of Unversed weren't actually made by him, IIRC, just pointing that out."

All of them were creating by Vanitas, just like 2 or 3 are created from other Unversed, but that doesn't really matter.
 
1.- Then as I expected, it would also scale to anyone that has a heart because of how it works, it's not really combat applicable anyways.

2.- I'm afraid an statement or some scan for that is needed.
 
https://i.imgur.com/aczsKPF.png

https://i.imgur.com/rCZNKZN.png

Check the images above. First off, Xehanort's threat was just what made Yen Sid have them do the Mark of Mystery in hopes Sora and Riku could learn the Power of Waking, to show they would be worthy of becoming masters. There is absolutely nothing ever stated that this was some sort of unique thing that only Sora and Riku could utilize. Quite the contrary actually, especially when Mickey was implied to be able to do the exact same to wake Sora's sleeping heart, but Riku was just sent because he had experience diving into Sora's dreams before.

It is said by Yen Sid they would gain the power to awaken sleeping worlds and hearts. This was what was being assessed in the first place to determine whether or not they would become Keyblade Masters. Check the second image link I sent, it literally has Yen Sid stating Riku learned the Power of Waking. Yen Sid named Riku as a Keyblade Master because of this and failed Sora because he had forgotten how to use the ability. The DDD Sectio literally reaffirms what I'm saying with what Speedster already posted.
 
Then it's fine, the proof for it should be in the OP, BTW.

As now that you mention it, Lea said that he would go for Riku if he didn't returned soon after using the Power of Waking on Sora, implying that he likely also has the Power of Waking.
 
What has been accepted by Bobsican can probably be applied.
 
Just a note on who Power of Waking should scale to most notably...

- Sora (obviously)

- Aqua

- Riku

- Xehanort

- Eraqus

- Yen Sid

- King Mickey

- The Foretellers (MoM as well)

- Luxu/Xigbar

- Possibly Lea/Axel
 
I suppose so. As long as there are no objections from the other knowledgeable members here.
 
It may be best if you ask some other staff members that are listed in the Kingdom Hearts verse page to comment here first, to make sure that we do not make major mistakes.
 
Xigbar needs "Likely Possession" changed to straight up Possession as well. He's displayed the ability from the fact he was able to completely change vessels, as noted by the Secret Reports in Kingdom Hearts III.

"Observations, Excerpt 2—

Even on a worldline with no Keyblade War, peace is but a dream. In the absence of us and our Master, a "darkness" arrived—one that shall surely lead the World to yet another demise.

Amid the chaos, I bequeathed my Keyblade to one of the Union leaders, just as the Master instructed. I watched as the Five were sent to another worldline—at no small cost—ensuring the line of Keyblade wielders will live on. And now, Keybladeless, I must depart this land to fulfill my final task. This means casting my own body aside and sojourning my heart in vessel after vessel—as many as it takes.

But I will continue gazing upon each passing era, one unto the next. In time, be it years or decades, centuries or millennia, I will meet the Five once more.

Somewhere in this cyclical history of bequeathings, a chosen one will appear and reenact the Keyblade War. When this scapegoat arrives and takes my Keyblade in hand, that will be the time to take the stage and finish my role.

The Lost Masters will awaken."
 
Also, a note should be made to Xigbar's profile and a change to the Intelligence/Weakness. It should be mentioned he has lived many lives through his Possession as part of his Intelligence. Also, Xigbar not taking things seriously and desiring the Keyblade was a persona he adopted to avoid suspicion. He outright says this himself in the 13th Secret Report. Sorry for the double post btw, getting stuff on mobile tends to be hard. It would be similar to how Star Butterfly acts air-headed to give off a false appearance.

"Observations, Excerpt 3—

It seems this body, this name will be my last. The lives I have lived over the ages could fill volumes, but for now I must focus on what matters most.

The Keyblade has been successfully passed down, generation to generation, and it seems a Keyblade Master devoted to the darkness may finally arise. Until now, I have watched over the course of events from a distance. Perhaps the time has come to intervene. I need only play the role of a fool desirous of the Keyblade's power. I will don the mask of his ally in order to keep watch over my Keyblade from close by.

The Gazing Eye: a Keyblade forged from the eye of the Master of Masters. He passed it to me, as I have to others, and through it he can see the future—all that will ever come to pass. Spanning the ages in body after body, life after life, my task has been to keep vigil over the Eye as it passes from hand to hand. It has been a long time. Longer than I can express.

But now at least the Keyblade War has begun, and Kingdom Hearts will open—a true and complete Kingdom Hearts, born of the clash between darkness and light. I will soon be reunited with my old companions, and in that moment my long vigil will reach its end. He will return..."
 
Possession for Xigbas is fine.

And I still think the Xehanort getting powers of his vessels needs input from other users, to avoid potential problems soon regarding it, as it is still debatable as of now if you ask me.
 
I think he should possess the powers honestly. If Xemnas, his nobody, had the ability to do so when Xehanort is implied to have their abilities as well with the fight in Scala Ad Caelum, it should be pretty clear he should have them.
 
Where is that implied exacly?

Also, the powers Vanitas gets added via Unverses should be specified to be via that, however, I really think that sort of stuff goes better in individual Unversed profiles, as most of them aren't something you could call equipment for Vanitas.
 
In that case, that would still have to be added like "Can create Unversed, which have the following abilities: (Insert list and explanations here)"

And then to the weakness section something like...

"Most of his Unversed aren't as strong as others Vanitas can keep up with"
 
I've added justification for the Causality Manipulation, and mentioned Vanitas creates the Unversed to access those abilities, along with adding Mind Manipulation and Explosion Manipulation via the Unversed.
 
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I would upload these to Imgur album, but I'm at school right now. Basically, there were 12 other Organization Members Xehanort merged with (as seen in the first picture as well). And the page already has this, "In KH3, after joining together with his vessels during the battle in Scala ad Caelum, he should potentially be able to use their powers." All this is doing he has their natural abilities.
 
Okay, then that is fine.

Anything else left to check?

Oh yeah, What about the Pureblood Heartless getting back the Abstract Existence as their existence is tied to the concept of darkness?
 
Oh no, the OP even says that Sora, Riku, Mickey, Donald and Goofy get it too (the BbS trio likely too while we are at it)
 
Roxas was in the original Organization XIII, so I didn't think he had to be explicitly mentioned.

And Vanitas can probably scale to get it, yes.
 
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