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That's my point, if even people like Ravenous, who explicity supports Ovens, have given leeaway to alternatives, this hasn't reached a conclusion.
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Huge Rakudai Downgrade Pt. 1
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As far as I remember, that was only Raven. Milly seems to remain neutral, and even he thinks the situation is an undeniable problem.
I don't see the issue with keeping things saved in a sandbox until more direct sources can be found.
I don't see the issue with keeping things saved in a sandbox until more direct sources can be found.
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The issue is removing stuff that we have direct sources, such as Stella's Excessive Awakening key, which I pretty clearly showed illustrated above. Removing such thing, which pretty factually exists, is an issue.
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It factually exists, yes, but we can't put a rating on it.
If images were enough, we'd be making keys off leaks on books or games without much further.
If images were enough, we'd be making keys off leaks on books or games without much further.
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Excpet we ca, it scales to all other Excessive Awakenings.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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You mean the excessive awakening that happens in Volume 14, one of the untranslated volumes we don't have any access to, which is the reason why we are saying anything coming from them is dubious and unusable?
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Even then, why would we assume Stella's EA is the same as others? Like, that logic doesn't work. Is Goten's SSJ the same level as Caulifla's, for example?
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We don't really assume she is like the others though.
@Agnaa
Ok but there isn't any argument for "there is nothing too important given to the pages from the summaries".
@Agnaa
Ok but there isn't any argument for "there is nothing too important given to the pages from the summaries".
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I remain up for my idea, sandboxing any relevant profiles and versions of profiles without the removed abilites and keys until such a time that we can gain direct access to the source work or a more proper translation.
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All that's been done since then were repeating arguments from earlier (on both sides).Agnaa said:
Okay. Sorry. I have a hard time keeping track, due to monitoring an awful lot of threads at the same time.
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Shouldn't this be implemented, Ovens?
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Yes, we have
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Earl and Ion seem to still be in contention, but I have seen them provide nothing that would convince me why to keep using a dubious source.
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Sike, ok then decide on the changes.
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What's past chapter 12?
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That's the problem. There are still things that are introduced in chapter 12. But i guess this would outright yeet Nene Saikyou's Extra-D BFR, which i will not contest. That's a pretty huge deal.
As for the rest im unsure.
Naseem and Or Gaule were introduced and had fights even before chapter 13
Oh wait, something that would go is High 6-A, from pretty much everybody.
As for the rest im unsure.
Naseem and Or Gaule were introduced and had fights even before chapter 13
Oh wait, something that would go is High 6-A, from pretty much everybody.
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High 6-A didn't even make sense after the last downgrade, given it was based on a multiplier on Raikiri's High 6-C rating... and Raikiri isn't High 6-C anymore, so.
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Actually High 6-A was for scaling significantly above Tendous 6-A (who was like 2x below baseline or more can't remember). Since the feat was casual for Tendou, and Edel >>> him. She would scale to High 6-A.Ionliosite said:
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It was based off upscaling from 6A+
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No, the actual thread where it was accepted was because Tendou's feat was compared to being a million times stronger than Raikiri (which was into High 6-C at the time) and that amount being close to the 6-A+ result was what led to it being accepted in the first place.
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Yes that was then, before the downgrade to Raikiri. It became baseline H6A after it.
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Yes, the possible multiplier was accepted, after it was tossed, is was High 6A based off upscaling
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so what will be removed????
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The changes haven't been tackled. And I am not sure who beyond Earl knows what needs to be removed in specific from profile's like Ikki's and Stella's since they also get powers and keys, unlike other profiles that can be taken off wholesale (like Saleem).
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Yeah but like im too lazy to change the profiles and stuff. If anyone's willing to do that then sure.
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Yeah of course. That's what I meant by "if anyone's willing to do that". I'll have to go over the profiles one by one, so I'll get back to this once im back from university.
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Remember to have a back up of the stuff that gets deleted when getting those volumes becomes a possibility.
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Ok so these are all the changes. Do not worry about messing up or erasing more than needed since i will monitor all the changes when done.
Ikki Kurogane
Removal of anything with key name "Vermillion Empire Arc". That means his last tabbers section in the P&A, and all stats regarding this key.
Stella Vermillio
Removal of her "Desperado" P&A (since she becomes a desperado in the summaries). But her Vermillion Empire P&A stay (although all stats from it get yeeted). So Remove: Desperado P&A, All stats from Vermillion Empire ARC.
Nene Saikyou
Goes back to scaling from Kurono Shinguuji in AP, and her 10D gravity manip gets yeeted.
Or-Gaule
Just remove anything regarding Dance Macabre from his profile (including the Type 2 and 7 immortality from his P&A).
Naseem Al-Salem
Hmm....just change his stats to scale from Nene Saikyou and remove Excessive Awakening from his notable attacks.
Edelweiss
I guess just put her 2nd key, equal to her 1st key in terms of AP. That's about it.
Fu Xiaoli
I guess just remove all of Stella's abilities from her profile (since she hasn't fought Stella yet). And put all her stats besides Speed scaling from Lamberd Larp or Yoshikazu Kiba.
That's about it.
@Sir
Do not worry about that, since it's mostly just stats.
Ikki Kurogane
Removal of anything with key name "Vermillion Empire Arc". That means his last tabbers section in the P&A, and all stats regarding this key.
Stella Vermillio
Removal of her "Desperado" P&A (since she becomes a desperado in the summaries). But her Vermillion Empire P&A stay (although all stats from it get yeeted). So Remove: Desperado P&A, All stats from Vermillion Empire ARC.
Nene Saikyou
Goes back to scaling from Kurono Shinguuji in AP, and her 10D gravity manip gets yeeted.
Or-Gaule
Just remove anything regarding Dance Macabre from his profile (including the Type 2 and 7 immortality from his P&A).
Naseem Al-Salem
Hmm....just change his stats to scale from Nene Saikyou and remove Excessive Awakening from his notable attacks.
Edelweiss
I guess just put her 2nd key, equal to her 1st key in terms of AP. That's about it.
Fu Xiaoli
I guess just remove all of Stella's abilities from her profile (since she hasn't fought Stella yet). And put all her stats besides Speed scaling from Lamberd Larp or Yoshikazu Kiba.
That's about it.
@Sir
Do not worry about that, since it's mostly just stats.
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Sir is referring to the forum move I believe
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