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Spectrier
It probes its surroundings with all its senses save one—it doesn't use its sense of sight. Spectrier's kicks are said to separate soul from body.
Soul Manip

Moltres
This Pokémon's sinister, flame-like aura will consume the spirit of any creature it hits. Victims become burned-out shadows of themselves. -Moltres
Soul Manip

Marowak
The cursed flames that light up the bone carried by this Pokémon are said to cause both mental and physical pain that will never fade.
Mind manipulation

Regirock (likely all regis)
Cutting-edge technology was used to study the internals of this Pokémon's rock body, but nothing was found—not even a brain or a heart.
Inorganic Physiology
Likely type 1 since Regigigas is stated to bring life to them

Pokeball
The current scan is from Lances’s Dragonite and not just a normal Dragonite
Upgrade to High Mountain Level durability


Urshifu
All it takes is a glare from this Pokémon to take the lives of those with evil in their hearts or so they say.
Possible death manip

Muk/Grimer
Sludge exposed to X-rays from the moon transformed into Grimer.
Possible Inorganic Physiology due to being an Inorganic object given life

Regigigas
Mind Manipulation (“Regigigas's body becomes surrounded in a maroon aura and the braille pattern on its face glows the same color. The opponent's eyes then glow red and Regigigas can control them”)

Unown
New key: All Unown
High 4-A to possible 3-C if not much higher
Created the unown dimension
Another shot of the same
In the clip before the fight between Dialga and Palkia they are shown in the unown dimension which had no stars (another shot of the same), which shows they likely destroyed them since the two members of the creation trio hadn’t fought yet

Mean Look
Gengar, Jynx, Umbreon, Misdreavus, Dusknoir, Murkrow, Tapus, Gardevoir, Muk, Absol, Krookodile, Serperior, Gothitelle, Bisharp, and Hawlucha
Minor sealing: Prevents the target from leaving
Shown not to be fear manip since pokeballs fail when this is used.

Remove on the TM/Move Tutor lock
Pokemon can learn moves from TMs and Move Tutors in nature or without the aid of the TMs. This is likely the exact same with TRs.
Examples
“Ash first met Gible in A Meteoric Rise to Excellence!. Wilma explained that Gible was trying his best to learn the move Draco Meteor”

So what does this add and to who? Quick answer: yes
Long answer: we will be here for a bit (final evolution will be used for simplicity, with the notable exception being Magikarp or if the ™ came from an earlier Gen)

Energy Projection: Draco Meteor: Everyone dragon type
Draco Meteor has shown to create energy based attacks on, multiple occasions. And able to be taught to every dragon pokemon
“Various Move Tutors will teach Draco Meteor to a Dragon-type Pokémon. From Generation IV to VII...”

Limited Duplication: Substitute: Every Pokemon except:
Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, and wobbuffet
Creates a copy of the pokemon which can only be used as a damage sponge and a shield for abilities

Healing: Rest: Every Pokemon except
Magikarp, Ditto, wobbuffet, Unown, Tapus, and Komala
Recovers all damage taken but makes them fall asleep

Limited empathic manipulation: Attract: Every Pokemon except
Magikarp, Ditto, Wobbuffet, Unown, and most genderless pokemon
If the opponent is the opposite gender of the user they will fall in love with the user and obey all of their orders.

Forcefield Creation: Protect: every pokemon except
Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, and wobbuffet
User creates a forcefield in front of them or surrounding them which blocks a single attack. It can be used multiple times but the likelihood of it working goes down

Dream Manipulation and likely durability negation: Dream Eater: able to be learned by
Butterfree, Clefable, Ninetales, Wigglytuff, Venomoth, Persian, Alakazam, Slowbro, Exeguttor, Alolan Marowak, Lickitung, Chansey, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Lapras, Porygon-Z, Mewtwo, Mew, Togepi lines, Xatu, Slowking, Honchkrow, Espeon, Umbreon, Girafarig, Mismagius, Dunsparce, Houndoom, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Gardevoir, Shedinja, Sableye, Medicham, Swalot, Grumpig, Spinda, Altaria, Lunatone, Solrock, Claydol, Banette, Duskclops, Absol, Chimecho, Latias, Latios, Jirachi, Deoxys, Wormadam, Drifblim, Bronzong, Spiritomb, Weavile, Togekiss, Yamega, Froslass, Rotom, Lake trio, Giratina, Arceus, Watchdog, Liepard, Audino, Leavanny, Whimsicott, Lilligant, Sigilyph, Cofagrigus, Jellicent, Chandelure, Vivillon, Aromatisse, Slurpuff, Aurorus, Trevenant, Gourgiest, Noivern, Yveltal, Hoopa, Ribombee, Shinotic, and Mimikyu
Able to control the dreams of those affected and attacks in the dreams so should ignore conventional durability but the opponent needs to be asleep for this to work

Dream Manipulation and durability negation: Nightmare: able to be learned by
Butterfree, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Persian, Alakzam, Slowbro, Gengar, Hypno, Exeggutor, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Lapras, Lickitung, Porygon 2, Mewtwo, Mew, Noctowl, Xatu, Aipom, Espeon, Umbreon, Murkrow, Slowking, Misdreavus, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Sneasel, Houndoom, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-oh, Celebi, Gardevoir, Shedinja, Sableye, Roselia, Swalot, Spinda, Banette, Dusclops, Chimecho, Absol, Jirachi, Deoxys
Those attacked will be hit with a nightmare which take ¼ of their max health. But needs to be asleep for this to work.

Teleportation: Teleport: able to be learned by
Butterfree, Alolan Raichu, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Venomoth, Arcanine, Slowbro, Magnezone, Cloyster, Hypno, Electrode, Executor, Blissey, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, and Porygon.
Allows the user to teleport

Cloning: Double Team: Able to learned by every pokemon except
Magikarp, Unown, Wobbuffet, Tapu bulu, Stakataka, and most gen 8 pokemon (minus Sobble and Dreepy)
User creates clones of itself with the only downside being them breaking after being hit.

Poison Manipulation and durability negation: Toxic: Able to be learned by most pokemon except
Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Magearna, and Gen 8 pokemon (minus Toxtricity and Eternatus)
User fires poison at the opponent which inflicts badly poisoned debuff which does 1/16 max health increasing by 1/16 by every attack (ex:2/16, 3/16….)

Limited Law Manipulation: Trick Room: able to be learned by
Alakazam, Galarian Rapidash, Slowbro, Gengar, Hypno,Exeggutor, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Porygon-Z, Mewtwo, Mew, Xatu, Espeon, Slowking, Mismagius, Girafarig, Celebi, Gardevoir, Grumpig, Spinda, Lunatone, Solrock, Claydol, Kecleon, Banette, Chimecho, Jirachi, Deoxys, Bronzong, Gallade, Dusknoir, Lake Trio, Dialgia, Palkia, Cresselia, Arceus, Victini, Musharna, Swoobat, Audino, Whimsicott, Sigilyph, Cofagrigus, Gothitelle, Jellicent, Beheeyem, Chandelure, Meloetta, Delphox, Meowstic, Aromatisse, Malamar, Carbink, Trevenant, Gourgeist, Diancie, Comfey, Mimikyu, Bruxish, Solgaleo, Lunala, Nihilego, Necrozma, Magearna, Stakataka, Orbeetle, Hatterene, Mr. Rime, Runerigus, Indeedee, and Calyrex.
It creates a box that makes the slower of the two become the faster of the two and speed boosting moves decrease the speed under these effects

Weather Manip (arguable durability negation with hail and sand): Sandstorm, Rain Dance, Sunny day, Hail: able to be learn by (give me like 1 hour)
Rain: Blastoise, Butterfree, Pidgeot, Raticate, Fearow, Arbok, Raichu, Nidoqueen/king, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Persian, Golduck, Primeape, Poliwrath, Alakazam, Machamp, Tentacruel, Slowbro, Dewgong, Muk, Clyster, Gengar, Hypno, Kingler, Electrode, Marowak, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Weezing, Kangaskahn, Seaking, Starmie, Mr.Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Pinsir, Tauros Gyarados, Lapras, Eevee Evolutions, Omastar, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Snorlax, Legendary birds, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Feraligatr, Furret, Noctowl, Crobat, Lantern, Xatu, Ampharos, Azumarill, Politoed, Quagsire, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Girafarig, Dunsparce. Granbull, Qwilfish, Scizor, Harcross, Ursaring, Octillery, Delibird, Mantine, Kingdra, Stantler, Hitmontop, Miltank, Blissey, Legendary beasts, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi, Swampert, Mightyena, Linoone, Ludicolo, Swellow, Pelliper, Gardevoir, Masquerain, Slaking, Exploud, Hariyama, Delcatty, Sableye, Mawile, Aggron, Medicham, Manectric, Plusle, Minum, Swalot, Sharpedo, Wailord, Grumpig, Spinda, Altaria, Zangoose, Seviper, Lunatone, Solrock, Whiscash, Crawdaunt, Claydol, Milotic, Castform, Kecleon, Banette, Chimecho, Absol, Glalie, Walrein, Huntail, Gorebyss, Relicanth, Salamence, Metagross, Regice/steel/eleki, Latias/os, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Empoleon, Staraptor, Bibarel, Kricketune, Luxray, Roserade, Rampardos, Bastiodon, Wormadam, Mothim, Vespiquen, Pachirisu, Floatzel, Gastrodon, Ambipom, Drifblim, Lopunny, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Purugly, Skuntank, Bronzong, Mr. Mime. Chatot, Spiritomb, Garchomp, Lucario, Drapion, Toxicroak, Lumineon, Abomasnow, Weavile, Magnezone, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Electivire, Togekiss, Leafeon, Glaceon, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Dusknoir, Froslass, rotom, Lake Trio, Creation trio, Regigigas, Cresselia, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Arceus, Samurott, Watchog, Stoutland, Liepard, Simipour, Musharna, Unfezant, Zebstrika, Swoobat, Audino, Conkeldurr, Seismitoad, Throh, Sawk, Basculin, Maractus, Scfatly, Sigilyph, Cofagrigus, Carracosta, Garbodor, Zoroark, Cinccino, Gothitelle, Reuniclus, Swanna, Vanilluxe, Sawsbuck, Emolga, Escavalier, Amoonguss, Jellicent, Alomomola, Galvantulam Eelektross, Beheeyeem, Haxorus, Beartic, Cryogonal, Accelgor, Stunfisk, Mienshao, Druddigon, Golurk, Bisharp, Bouffalant, Braviary, Manidbuzz, Heatmor, Hydreigon, Tornadus, Thundurus, Unova box art trio, Keldeo, Meloetta, Delphox, Grenja, Vivillon, Pyroar, Florges, Gogoat, Pangoro, Furfrou, Meowstic, Aegislash, Aromatisse, Slurpuff, Malamar, Barbaracle, Dragalge, Clawitzer, Heliolisk, Aurous, Sylveon, Hawlucha, Dedenne, Goodra, Klefki, Avalugg, Xerneas, Yveltal, Hoopa, Primarina, Vikavolt, Crabominable, Wishiwashi, Toxapex, Araquanid, Shiinotic, Oranguru, Passimian, Golisopod, Pyukumuku, Silvally, Bruxish, Drampa, Dlemise, Tapu Koko/Fini, Xurkitree, Inteleon, Drednaw, Cramorant, Barraskewda, Obstagoon, Perrserker, Curola, Mr. Rime, Runerigus, Pincurchin, gen 4 fossil combos, and Urshifu

Sun: Venusaur, Charizard, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgeot, Raticate, Fearow, Arbok, Sandslash. Nidoqueen/king, Clefary, Ninetales, Wigglytuff, Golbat, Vileplume, Parasect, Venomoth, Dugtrio, Persian, Primeape, Alakazam, Machamp,Victreebel, Golem, Rapidash, Slowbro, Muk, Gengar, Hypno, Kingler, Electrode, Marowak, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Weezing, Kangaskahn, Mr.Mime, Scyther Jynx, Magmar, Pinsir, Tauros, Lapras, Eevee Evolutions, Aerodactyl, Snorlax, Legendary birds, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Meganium, Typhlosion, Furret, Noctowl, Crobat, Xatu, Bellossom, Jumpluff, Sunflora, Sudowoodo, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Girafarig, Forretress, Dunsparce, Steelix, Granbull, Qwilfish, Scizor, Shuckle, Hercross, Ursaring, Magcargo, Skarmory, Houndoom, Donphan, Octillery, Stantler, Hitmontop, Miltank, Blissey, Legendary beasts, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi, Sceptille, Blaziken, Mightyena, Beautifly, Dustox, Linoone, Ludicolo, Shiftry, Swellow, Gardevoir, Masquerain, Slaking, Exploud, Hariyama, Delcatty, Sableye, Mawile, Aggron, Medicham, Swalot, Camerupt, Torkoal, Grumpig, Spinda, Flygon, Cacturne, Altaria, Zangoose, Seviper, Lunatone, Solrock, Cradily, Armaldo, Castform, Kecleon, Banette, Chimecho, Absol, Salamence, Metagross, Regirock/steel/eleki, Latias/os, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Torterra, Infernape, Staraptor, Bibarel, Kricketune, Roserade, Rampardos, Bastiodon, Wormadam, Mothim, Vespiquen, Cherrim, Ambipom, Drifblim, Lopunny, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Purugly, Skuntank, Bronzong, Chatot, Spiritomb, Garchomp, Lucario, Hippowdon, Drapion, Toxicroak, Carnivine, Weavile, Magnezone, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Magmortar, Togekiss, Yanmega, Leafeon, Glaceon, Gliscor, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, rotom, Lake Trio, Creation trio, Regigigas, Heatran, Cresselia, Phione, Manaphy, Darkrai, Arceus, Serperior, Emboar, Watchog, Stoutland, Liepard, Simisage, Simisear, Unfezant, Audino, Conkeldurr, Throh, Sawk, Leavanny, Scolipede, Whimsicott, Liligant, Damanitan, Maractus, Scfatly, Garbodor, Zoroark, Cinccino, Gothitelle, Sawsbuck, Emolga, Amoonguss, Ferrothorn, Chandelure, Haxorus, Mienshao, Druddigon, Bouffalant, Braviary, Manidbuzz, Heatmor, Hydreigon, Volcarona, Virizion, Unova box art trio, Keldeo, Meloetta, Chesnaught, Delphox, Talonflame, Vivillon, Pyroar, Florges, Gogoat, Pangoro, Furfrou, Meowstic, Aegislash, Aromatisse, Slurpuff, Malamar, Heliolisk, Tyrantrum, Sylveon, Hawlucha, Dedenne, Carbink, Goodra, Klefki, Trevenant, Gourgeist, Noivern, Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde, Diancie, Hoopa, Decidueye, Incineroar, Toucannon, Crabominable, Ribombee, Lurantis, Shiinotic, Tsareena, Comfey, Oranguru, Passiman, Silvally, Komala, Turtonator, Drampa, Dlemise, Tapu Lele/Bulu, Solgaleo, Lunala, Xurkitree, Blacephalon, Rilaboom, Cinderace, Eldegoss, Flapple, Appleton, Centiskorch, Obstagoon, Perrserker, Cursola, Sirfatch’d, Mr. Rime, Dracozolt, Zarude, Calyrex

Sand: Charizard, Sandslash, Nidoqueen/king, Golem, Marowak, Kangaskahn, Tauros, Gyarados, Omastar, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Snorlax, Legendary birds, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Sudowoodo, Quagsire, Forretress, Steelix, Scizor, Shuckle, Magcargo, Skarmory, Donphan, Hitmontop, Miltank, Blissey, Legendary beasts, Tyranitar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi, Ninjask, Shedinja, Mawile, Aggron, Camerupt, Flygon, Cacturne, Lunatone, Solrock, Claydol, Whiscash, Cradily, Armaldo, Castform, Absol, Relicanth, Metagross, Regirock/steel, Latias/os, Groudon, Rayquaza, Jirachi, Deoxys, Torterra, Rampardos, Bastiodon, Wormadam, Gastrodon, Bronzong, Garchomp, Hippowdon, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Magmortar, Rhyperior, Gliscor, Lake Trio, Palkia, Dialgia, Arceus, Gigalith, Exadrill, Krookodile, Crustle, Carracosta, Archeops, Ferrothorn, Accelgor, Klinklang, Stunfisk, Bisharp, Durant, Cobalion, Terrakion, Landorus, Diggersby, Barbaracle, Heliolisk, Tyrantrum, Aurorus, Carbink, Zygarde, Diancie, Volcanion, Gumshoos, Oricorio, Lycanroc, Mudsdale, Palossand, Silvally, Minior, Kommo-o , Nihilego, Stakataka, Drednaw, Coalossal, Sandaconda, Cursola, Runerigus, Stonjourner

Hail: Blastoise, Sandslash, Ninetails, Golduck, Poliwrath, Tentacruel, Slowbro, Dewgong, Cloyster, Kingler, Kangaskahn, Seaking, Starmie, Mr.Mime, Jynx, Gyarados, Lapras, Vaporeon, Omastar, Kabutops, Aerodactyl, Snorlax, Articuno, Zapdos, Dragonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Feraligatr, Lantern,Azumarill, Politoed, Quagsire, Slowking, Qwilfish, Delibird, Mantine, Kingdra, Blissey, Suicune, Lugia, Swampert, Ludicolo, Pelliper, Sharpedo, Wailord, Lunatone, Whiscash, Crawdaunt, Milotic, Castform, Absol, Glalie, Walrein, Huntail, Gorebyss, Relicanth, Luvdisc, Regice, Kyogre, Empoleon, Floatzel, Gastrodon, Lumineon, Abomasnow, Weavile, Glaceon, Mamoswine, Froslass, Palkia, Phione, Manaphy, Arceus, Samurott, Simipour, Seismitoad, Basculin, Swanna, Vanilluxe, Jellicent, Alomomola, Beartic, Cryogonal, Kyurem, Keldeo, Dragalge, Aurous, Carbink, Goodra, Avalugg, Xerneas, Diancie, Primarina, Crabominable, Wishiwashi, Toxapex, Cursola, Mr. Rime, Frosmoth, Eiscue, Arctozolt, Arctovish, Glastier, Calyrex

Limited flight: Magnet Rise: Able to be learned by
Raichu, Golem, Electrode, Jolteon, Mew, Ampharos, Steelix, Raikou, Mawile, Aggron, Manectric, Plusle, Minum, Metagross, Registeel, Luxray, Bastiodon, Wormadam, Lucario, Magnazone, Electivire, Porygon-Z, Probopass, Dialgia, Zebstrika, Excadrill, Vanilluxe, Galvantula, Ferrothorn, Klinklang, Elektross, Bisharp, Volcarona, Cobalion, Zekrom, Genesect, Aegislash, Heliolisk, Aurorus, Dedenne, Carbink, Klefki, Diancie, Vikavolt, Minior, Xurkitree, Celesteela, Guzzlord, Necrozma, Magearna, Stakataka
The user levitates using electrically generated magnetism for five turns.




BFR: Roar/Whirlwind: Able to be learned by
Kanto Starters, Raticate, Nidoqueen/king,
Ninetales, Persian, Growlithe, Arcanine, Golem, Steelix, Rhydon, Venomoth, Kanagskhan, Golbat, Gyarados, Lapras, 3 original eevee evolutions ,Aerodactyl, Legendary birds, Dragonite, Mew, Tphlosion, Feraligatr, Granbull, Ursaring, Mamoswine, Skarmory, Houndoom, Donphan, Legendary beasts, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Gen 3 starters, Linoone, Slaking, Aggron, Manctric, Sharpedo, Wailord, Camerupt, Alteria, Zangoose, Tropius, Walrein, Salamance, Lati twins, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Gen 4 starters, Luxray, Rampardos, Bastiodon, Floatzel, Purugly, Skunktank, Garchomp, Lucario, Hippowdon, Drapion, leafon, Glaceon, Heatran, Emboar, Stoutland, Krookodile, Damanitan, Scrafty, Archeopsm Zoroark, ElectrPangor, Tyrantrum, Aurorus, Avalugg, Haxorus, Durigon, Hydreigon, Four swordsman pokemon, Chesnaught, Pyroar, Xerneas, Volcanion, Incineroar, Lycanroc, Bewear, Silvally, Kommo-o, Tapu Koko/bulu, Solgaleo, and lunala

Limited Creation/possible limited metal manipulation: Pay Day: Able to be learned by
Raichu, Nidoqueen/king, Golduck, Primape, Rapidash, Slowpbro, dewgong, all eevee evolutions, Snorlax, Mew, Mewtwo, Espeaon, Umbreon, Slowking, Rhyperior, Liepard, Meowstic, Incineroar, Zeraora, Indeedee, Calyrex
User creates coins


Self destruction: Self Destruct/Explosion: Able to learned by
Wigglytuff, Muk, Gengar, Exeggutor, Mewtwo, Mew, Sudowoodo, Steelix, Qwilfish, Shiftry, Wailord, Torkoal, Lunatone, Solrock, Claydol, Glalie, Metagross, Regis, Drifblim, Magnezone, Licklilicky, Azelf, Heatran, Gigalith, Garbodor, Vanilluxe, Ferrothorn, Camerupt, Magcargo, Forretress, Golurk, Landorus, Genesect, Volcanion, Silvally, Magearna, Blacephalon, Melmetal, Coalossal, Cursola, Pincurchin, Stonjourner.

Sound Manipulation: Round: Able to be learned by all pokemon except
Unown, Magikarp, Wobbuffet, and Pyukumuku.
User attacks with a song

Damage Boost: Bide: Able to be learned by
All gen 1 pokemon (minus Magikarp and Ditto)
Takes all damage and doubles it

Speed swap: Speed Swap: Able to learned by
Raichu, Alakazam, Mewtwo, Mew, Bronzong, Porygon-Z, Victini, Swoobat, Sigilyph, Emolga, Gavantula, Ribombee, Tapu Lele, Pheromosa, Magearna, Calyrex

Durability swap: Guard Swap: Able to be learned by
Alakazam, Mr. Mime, Articuno, Mewtwo, Mew, Xatu, Quagsire, Umbreon, Skarmory, Gardevoir, Mawile, Claydol, Claydol, Bronzong, Porygon-Z, Cresselia, Victini, Musharna, Darmanitan, Cofagrigus, Carracosta Gothitelle, Reuniclus, Beheeyem, Accelgor, Malamar, Carbink, Diancie, Tapu Lele/Bulu/Fini, Magearna, Orbeetlem Dubwool, Hatterene, Mr. Rime, Indeedee, Zamazenta, Calyrex

AP swap: Power Swap: Able to be learned by
Ninetales, Alakazam, Exeggutor, Mr. Mime, Magmar, Articuno, Mewtwo, Mew, Xatu, Espeon, Shiftry, Gardevoir, Altaria, Lunatone, Solrock, Claydol, Bronzong, Tangrowth, Magmortar, Porygon-Z, Cresselia, Musharna, Darmanitan, Sigilyph, Cofagrigus, Reuniclus, Accelgor, Beheeyem, Tapu Koko/Lele/Bulu, Orbeetle, Hatterene, Grimmsnarl, Mr.Rime, Runerigu, Indeedee, Zamazenta, Calyrex

Light Manipulation:Flash:Able to be learned by
Venusaur, Butterfree, Beedrill, Raichu, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Parasect, Venomoth,Persian, Golduck, Alakzama, Victreebel, Slowbro, Magnazone, Hypno, Electrode, Exeggutor, Weezing, Chansey, Tangela, Starmie, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Jolteon, Porygon-Z, Zapdos, Mewtwo, Mew, Meganium, Noctowl, Ledian, Ariados, Lanturn, Xatu, Ampharos, Bellossom, Jumpluff, Sunflora, Quagsire, Espeon, Umbreon, Slowking, Shuckle, Skarmory, Stantler, Raikou, Entei, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Celebi, Sceptile, Beautifly, Dustox, Ludicolo, Shiftry, Gardevoir, Masquerain, Breloom, Ninjask, Shedinja, Delcatty, Sableye, Medicham, Manectric, Plusle, Minum, Roserade, Grumpig, Cacturne, Spinda, Lunatone, Solrock, Claydol, Cradily, Kecleon, Banette, Tropius, Chimecho, Absol, Glalie, Metagross, Latias/os, Jirachi, Deoxys, Torterra, Kricketune, Luxray, Wormadam, Vespiquen, Pachirisu, Cherrim, Gastrodon, Drifblim, Mismagius, Bronzong, Spiritomb, Drapion, Carnivine, Lumineon, Abomasnow, Tangrowth, Electivire, Togekissm Yanmega, Leafeon, Gallade, Dusknoir, Froslass, Rotom, Lake Trio, Dialga, Cresselia, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, Arceus, Victini, Serperior, Watchog, Simisage, Musharna, Zebstrika, Swoobat, Audino, Leavanny, Whimsicott, Lillgant, Sigilyoh, Cofagrigus, Reuniclus, Sawsbuck, Emolga, Amoonguss, Jellicent, Galvantula, Ferrothorn, Elektross, Beheeyem, Chandelure, Stunfisk, Golurk, Virizion, Zekrom, Meloetta, Genescet, Chesnaught, Vivillon, Florges, Furfrou, Meowstic, Aromatisse, Slurpuff, Malamar, Heliolisk, Aurorus, Sylveon, Dedenne, Carbink, Gourgeist, Avalugg, Xerneas, Diance, and Hoopa
It creates light.

Gravity Manipulation: Gravity: Able to be learned by
Clefable, Wigglytuff, Alakzam, Exeggutor, Starmie, Mewtwo, Mew, Girafarig, Forretress, Stantler, Blissey, Sableye, Medicham, Lunatone, Solrock, Claydol, Dusclops, Chimecho, Claydol, Metagross, Regirock/ice/steel, Jirachi, Deoxys, Bronzong, Magnazone, Probopass, Dusknoir, Dialga, Palkia, Regigigas, Giratina, Cresselia, Arceus, Musharna, Gigalith, Audino, Gothitellem Reuniclus, Klinklang, Beheeyem, Golruk, Landorus, Melotta, Genescet, Meowstic, Carbink, Xerneas, Diancie, Hoopa, Oranguru, Palossand, Minior, Togedemaru, Tapu Lele/fini, Xurkitree, Celesteela, Necrozma, Stakataka.
Forces everyone affected to the ground


Damage Transferal: Pain Split: Able to be learned by
Ninetales, Wigglytuff, Muk, Gengar, Marowak, Weezing, Starmie, Mew, Xatu, Forretress, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, Magcargo, Gardevoir, Mawile, Medicham, Swalot, Lunatone, Solrock, Cradily, Banette, Ramapardos, Gastrodon, Drifblim, Spiritomb, Mismagius, Tangrowth, Porygon-Z, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Froslass, Rotom, Giratina, Musharna, Throh, Swak, Cofagrigus, Garbodor, Jellicent, Beheeyem, Chandelure, Stunfisk, Chesnaught, Trevenant, ourgeist, Zygarde, Toxapex, Beware, Comfey, Oranguru, Golisopod, Palossand, Pyukumuku, Mimikyu, Bruxish, Dhelmise, Nhilego, Magearna, Blacephalon
Evens out the total HP between the user and opponent (literally the picture for pain split on Damage Transferal lmao)

Damage Transferal: Endeavor: Able to be learned by
Beedrill, Raticate, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Poliwrath, Dodrio, Marowak, Kanaskhan, Tauros, Mew, Politoed, Sunflora, Dunsparce, Piloswine, Donphan, Hitmontop, Blissey, Sceptile, Swampert, Swellow, Exploud, Aggron, Crawdaunt, Infernape, Infernape, Staraptor, Kricketot, Rampardos, Wormadam, Vespiquen, Lopunny, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Mamoswine, Shaymin, Emboar, Watchog, Simisage, Simisear, Simipour, Swoobat, Seismitoad, Scolipede, Whimsicott, Basculin, Darmanitan, Archeops, Reuniclus, Swanna, Ferrothorn, Haxorus, Stunfisk, Bouffalant, Durant, Kyurem, Keldeo, Chesnaught, Diggersby, Vivillon, Pyroar, Florges, Pangoro, Aromatisse, Slurpuff, Barbaracle, Hawlucha, Xerneas, Diancie, Incineroar, Gumshoos, Crabominable, Lycanroc, Wishiwashi, Mudsdale, Tsreena, Passiman, Golisopod, Minior, Komala, Turtonator, Togedemaru, Drampa, Kommo-o, Solgaleo, Buzzwole, Marshadow, Zerarora.
Makes the opponent's HP become the same as the user.

Madness manip: Swagger: All pokemon except
Magikarp, Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet, Guzzlord, Naganadel, Stakataka, Zerarora, (all gen 8 pokemon except Wooloo, Morpeko, Cufant).
Confuses the opponent


Telekinesis: Psychic: Able to learned by
(excluding psychic types)
Butterfree, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Venomoth, Golduck, Poliwrath, Gengar, Chansey, Electabuzz, Magmar, Lapras, Snorlax, Noctowl, Politoed, Umbreon, Octillery, Porygon-Z, Ho-Oh, Sableye, Spinda, Gorebyss, Wormadam, Drifiblim, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Spiritomb, Lucario, Electriver, Magmortar, Togekiss, Yanmega, Dusknoir, Froslass, Giratina, Manaphy, Shaymin, Audion, Whimsicott, Darminitan, Cofafrigus, Garbodor, Jellicent, Chandelure, Golurk, Volcarona, Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, Genesect, Vivillon, Florges, Aromatisse, Slurpuff, Aurorus, Carbink, Klefki, Trevenant, Gourgeist, Noivern, Xerneas, Yveltal, Diancie, Primarina, Ribombee, Palossand, Minior, Mimikyu, Nihilego, Blacephalon, Thievul, Polteageist, Cursola, Runerigus, Alcremie.

Power Mimicry: Mimic: Able to learned by
All gen 1-3 pokemon (Magikarp, ditto, Unown, and Wobbuffet excluded)
Allows the user to copy any abilities the opponent use

Insect Manipulation: Infestation: Able to be learned by
Ariados, Dragapult, Butterfree, Beedrill, Ekans line, Oddish line, Venonat line, Bellsprout line, Tentacruel, Grimer line, Gastly line, Exeggcute line, Koffing line, Tangela line, Mr. Mime Line, Mew, Wooper line, Shuckle, Slugma line, Banette, Dusknoir, Vespiquen, Spiritomb, Reuniclus, Goodra, Mareanie line, Palossand, Mimikyu, and the Blipbug line
User summons insects on the opponent.

Limited Power Nullification: Imprison: Able to be learned by
Clefable, Ninetails, Alakazam, Rapidash, Slowbro, Gengar, Marowak, Articuno, Moltres, Mew, Noctowl, Xatu, Slowking, Luigia, Ho-Oh, Celebi, Gardevoir, Sableye, Claydol, Milotic, Jirachi, Drifblim, Bronzong, Spiritomb, Togekiss, Gallade, Dusknoir, Froslass, Lake trio, Musharna, Cofagrigus, Sigilyph, Zoroark, Gorhitelle, Reuniclus, Vanilluxe, Jellicent, Beheeyem, Golurk, Meowstic, Klefki, Trevenant, Gourgeist, Decidueye, Ribombee, Necrozma, Magerna, Orbeetle, Hatterene, Zacian, Zamazenta, Calyrex.
Blocks any attacks and abilities that the user and opponent know

Power Nullification: Gastro Acid/Worry Seed: Able to be learned by
GA: Arbok, Vileplume, Victreebel, Muk, Mew, Bellossom, Shuckle, Swalot, Seviper, Cradily, Carnivine, Superior, Simisage, Simisear, Simipour, Seismitoad, Amoonguss, Galvantula, Eelektross, Accelgor, Slurpuff, Toxapex, Pykumuku, Guzzlord, and Naganadel
WS: Venusaur, Vileplume, Parasect, Golduck, Victreebel, Exeggutor, Mew, Meganium, Bellosso, Jumpluff, Sunflora, Sceptile, Shiftry, Breloom, Cacturne, Cradily, Tropius, Torterra, Roserade, Wormadam, Cherrim, Carnivine, Abomasnow, Tangrowth, Leafeon, Shaymin, Simisage, Musharna, Leavanny, Whimsicott, Liligant, Maractus, wasbuck, Amoonguss, Ferrothorn, Virizion, Chesnaught, Florges, Gogoat, Trevenant, Gourgeist, Decidueye, Lurantis, Shiinotic, Tsareena, Comfey, Tapu Bulu, Nihilego
Gastro Acid “eliminates the effect of the target's Ability”. And Worry seed changes those affected ability into insomnia.

Mind Manipulation/power null: Taunt/Torment: Able to be learned by
Taunt: Radicate, Nidoqueen/king, Persian, Primeape, Primeape, Alakzam, Dodrio, Muk, Gengar, Hypno, Electrode, Weezing, Mr.Mime, Jynx, Electabuzz, Magmar, Gyaradis, Aerodactyl, Zapdos, Moltress, Mewtwo, Mew, Crobat, Sudowoodo, Umbreon, Steelix, Granbull, Qwilfish, Ursaring, Skarmory, Houndoom, Tyranitar, Mightyena, Gardevoir, Slaking, Exploud, Sableye, Mawile,Aggron, Sharpedo, Grumpig, Zangoose, Seviper, Crawdaunt, Banette, Absol, Chimecho, Deoxys, Infernape, Bibarel, Kricketune, Bastiodon, Ambipom, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Purugly, Skuntank, Chatot, Spiritomb, Drapion, Toxicroak, Weavile, Electivire, Magmortar, Gliscor, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Froslass, Azelf, Heatran, Darkrai, Victini, Serperior, Emboar, Samurott, Liepard, Simisage, Simisear, Simipour, Unfezant, Swoobat, Conkeldurr, Throh, Sawk, Whimsicott, Basculin, Krookodile, Damanitan, Scrafty, Archeops, Zoroark, Gothitelle, Vanilluxe, Emolga, Escavalier, Jelicent, Chandelure, Haxorus, Beartic, Mienshao, Druddigon, Bisharp, Bouffalant, Mandibuzz, Heatmor, Hydreigon, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Tornadus, Thundurusm Jaldo, Chesnaught, Greninja, Talonflame, Pyroar, Pangoro, Malamar, Barbaracle, Mawlucha, Noivern, Yveltal, Hoopa, Incineroar, Gumshoos, Oricorio, Lycanroc, Salazzle, Bewear, Tsareena, Comfey, Oranguru, Passimian, Golisopod, Pyukumuku, Turtonator, Mimikyu, Bruxish, Kommo-o, Tapus, Buzzwole, Pheromosa, Blacephalon, Zerarora, Rilaboom, Cinderace, Corviknight, Thievul, Toxtricity, Grapploct, Grimmsnarl, Obstagoon, Perrserker, Mr.Rime, Runerigus, Morpeko, Copperajah, Arctozolt, Dracozolt, Urshifu, Glastrier, Spectrier, Calyrex
Torment:Raticate, Arbok, Nidoqueen/king, Persian, Alakazam, Dodrio, Muk, Cloyster, Gengar, Hypno, Electrode, Weezing, Mr.Mime, Jynx, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Mewtwo, Mew, Crobat, Sudowoodo, Umbreon, Steelix, Granbull, Ursaring, Skarmory, Houndoom, Tyranitar, Mightyena, Shiftry, Gardevoir, Exploud, Sableye, Mawile, Sharpedo, Mawile, Sharpedo, Grumpig, Banette, Chimecho, Absol, Glalie, Deoxys, Infernape, Bastiodon, Floatzel, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Purugly, Skuntank, Chatot, Spiritomb, Drapion, Toxicroak, Weavile, Electivire, Magmortar, Gliscor, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Froslass, Azelf, Heatran, Darkrai, Serperior, Liepard, Simisage, Simisear, Simipour, Musharna, Swoobat, Krookodile, Darmanitan, Scrafty, Archeops, Zoroak, Gothitelle, Bisharp, Mandibuzz, Hydreigon, Thundurus, Diggersby, Pangoro, Meowstic, Aromatisse, Malamar, Barbaracle, Hawlucha, Klefki, Noivern, Yveltal, Hoopa, Incineroar, Gumshoos, Salazzle, Bruxish, Tapus, Pheromosa, Blacephalon
Taunt forces the opponent to only use attacking moves. Torment forces the opponent to not use the same attack/abilities twice in a row. If the target is unable to use any attacks/abilities after either of these are used it leaves the opponent able to struggle.

Earth manipulation: Earthquake: Able to be learned by
Kanto Starters, Arbok, Sandslash, Nidoqueen/king, Dugtrio, Primeape, Poliwrath, Machamp, Golem, Slowbro, Exeggutor, Marowak, Marowak, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Kangaskhan, Pinsir, Tauros, Gyarados, Aerodactyl, Snorlax, Dargonite, Mewtwo, Mew, Johto Starters, Sudowoodo, Politoed, Quagsire, Slowking, Girafarig, Forretress, Dunsparce, Steelix, Granbull, Shuckle, Heracross, Ursaring, Magcargo, Marine, Donphan, Stantler, Hitmontop, Miltank, Blissey, Tyrantiar, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Hoen Starters, Slaking, Exploud, Mariyama, Aggron, Swalot, Sharpedo, Wailord, Camerupt, Torkoal, Flygon, Altaria, Seviper, Lunatone, Solrock, Whiscash, Claydol, Cradily, Armaldo, Tropius, Glale, Walrein, Relicanth, Salamence, Metagross, Regice/rock/steel, Latias/os, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Sinnoh starters, Rampados, Bastiodon, Wormadam, Gastrodon, Bronzong, Garchomp, Lucario, Hippowdon, Drapion, Toxicroak, Abomasnow, Lickilicky, Rhyperior, Tangrowth, Electivier, Magmortar, Gliscor, Mamoswine, Gallade, Probopass, Dusknoir, Creation Trio, Heatran, Regigigas, Arceus, Gigalith, Excadrill, Conkeldurr, Seismitoad, Throh, Sawk, Scolipede, Krookodile, Darmanitan, Crustle, Carracosta, Archeops, Haxorus, Stunfisk, Druddigon, Golurk, Bouffalant, Hydreigon, Terrakion, Landorus, Chesnaught, Diggersby, Gogoat, Pangoro, Barbaracle, Tyrantrum, Arurorus, Goodra, Trevenant, Avalugg, Zygarde, Volcanion, Incineroar, Gumshoos, Crabominable, Whiiwashi, Mudsdale, Bewear, Oranguru, Passimian, Palossand, Minior, Komala, Turtonator, Drampa, Dhelmise, Kommo-o, Solgaleo, Buzzwole, Celesteela, Guzzlord, Necrozma, Stakataka, Melmetal, Rilaboom, Greedent, Drednaw, Coalossal, Appletun, Sandaconda, Cursola, Runerigus, Stonjourner, Dracozolt, Dracovish.
User creates an earthquake

Mimicry: Role Play: Able to be learned by
Clefable, Ninetales, Wigglytuff, Golduck, Primeape, Alakazam, Machamp, Gengarm Hypno, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Tauros, Mewtwo, Mew, Sudowoodo, Houndoom, Hitmontop, Blaziken, Hariyama, Sableye, Medicham, Grumpig, Cacturne, Kecleon, Banette, Absol, Latias, Deoxys, Infernape, Ambipom, Chatot, Lucario, Toxicroak, Abomasnow, Lake trio, Victini, Liepard, Simisage, Simisear, Simipour, Audino, Liligant, Cofagrigus, Gothitelle, Reuniclus, Beheeyem, Mienshao, Bisharp, Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus, Meloetta, Delphox, Greninja, Furfrou, Meowstic, Malamar, Trevenant, Gourgeist, Hoopa, Oricorio, Bewar, Comfey, Palossand, Togedemaru, Dhelmise, Nihilego, Marshadow, Stakataka
Copies the opponent's ability

Power Absorption/power bestowal: Skill Swap: Able to be learned by
Butterfree, Venomoth, Alakazam, Slowbro, Gengar, Hypno, Exeggutor, Blissey, Starmie, Mr.Mime, Jynx, Mewtwo, Mew, Xatu, Espeon, Slowking, Girafarig, Stantler, Lugia, Celebi, Gardevoir, Grumpig, Spinda, Solrock, Lunatone, Claydol, Kecleon, Banette, Chimecho, Jirachi, Deoxys, Wormadam, Drifblim, Mismagius, Bronzong, Gallade, Dusknoir, Lake Trio, Cresselia, Manaphy, Victini, Musharna, Swoobat, Audino, Sigilyph, Cofafrigus, Gothitelle, Reuniclus, Beheeyem, Meowstic, Aromatisse, Sylveon, Trevenant, Gourgeist, Diancie, hoopa, Ribombee, Palossand, Tapu Lele, Stakataka, Orbeetle, Hatterene, Mr.Rime, Runerigus, Calyrex
User swaps abilities with the opponent

Curse Manipulation: Curse: Able to be learned by
All gen 1-2 ghost types
By cutting the users health in half it inflicts ¼ of max health of the opponent after every attack


Rage Boost: Rage: Able to be learned by
All gen 1 pokemon (minus Magikarp and ditto)
Everytime the user is attacked it increases the users attack (Charmander’s tail increases in size the more they were attacked)


Ash Ketchum revisions: Brought to you by Omega Sean

Attack Potency: Certain Pokemon should be Small Country Level, evidenced by Charizard’s victory against Articuno, Sceptile defeating a wild Darkrai, and Pikachu matching Latios blow for blow.

Add more reasonings for Ash’s Pokemon being Large Mountain Level, such as Ash-Greninja matching Diantha’s Mega Gardevoir, defeating Gladion, and even beating Professor Kukui even after Tapu Koko became his 6th Pokemon

Minor Automatic Translation: Can somewhat sense what his Pokemon are saying

Stamina:

His Pikachu’s stamina is so great that it can match and even surpass Mewtwo’s


Feats:

We should add intelligence feats for Ash, as opposed to just physical feats, such as:



  • Cleared all 7 Alola Trials

  • Won the Orange Islands tournament

  • Became the Champion of the Alola Pokemon League and did surprisingly well in every League he didn’t win (even getting to the Top 16 in a League tournament is impressive in canon)

  • Is currently considered to be among the top 1000 trainers in the entire world



Standard Equipment: Add the Z-Ring, the Rotom-Dex, the Dynamax Band, and his Rotom Phone

Can someone shrink down Ash’s pictures by like a fifth? They get low res if they’re that big.

Standard Tactics:


  • One of the mottos Ash lives by is “Eat well and sleep well”, which is how he has so much energy






Better Intelligence wording: At least Gifted; at first appearing to have little more intelligence than a child, Ash Ketchum has surprised the world on numerous occasions with his deceptively powerful battling style. He is considered one of the most outstanding trainers of modern times, having impressed or even defeated some of the greatest Pokemon trainers known. Ash is known to frequently change how Trainers view Pokemon for the better (for example Shingo and Clemont), sometimes just from merely battling him. However, he has had several moments of stupidity, particularly in the Unova region.

Special thanks
Ploz
Sean Pazdera
and others in the Pokemon Scan Server
 
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I don't agree with BFR for Roar. All it does is push the opponent away, but in a VS Match absolutely nothing prevents them from just walking back into the fight. Though, you could give it very limited Sealing as it sends you back in the Pokèball, right?

Also, I'm not too sure about wild Pokèmon learning TM/Tutor moves. They can do it, but it seems like it takes specific training for them to, is it really fine to give a single Pokèmon ALL of these theoretical moves?
 
For Roar it seems to drive away the pokemon as seen here "A terrifying roar that drives the target away". And in the roaming encounters in HG/SS they could use roar to end the battle.

The problem is there are just examples of pokemon just straight up learning moves even without training. Best example being the togekpi who knew multiple despite being wild. As well as the Shuckle, Newly caught emolga, etc. So it just seems like pokemon can learn TMs. And doesn't seem out of the question for wild pokemon to just learn TMs
 
I am aware it drives them away. However, outside of the context of a battle, there is nothing preventing the Roared person from just walking back in the fight. The problem is that wild Pokèmon are found in enviroments where they can, so temporarily getting you out of their way is more than enough to miss out on them forever. Same for the roaming encounters, they're so fast they can cross an entire region in seconds, if the battle ends for a second or two that's more than enough time for them to run off to somewhere else.

However, by SBA, a BFR victory has to mean the character can't come back to the battle in the span of a week.
That is way more time than what Roar's gonna buy you, unless the opponent's a snail, I guess.
 
hmmm maybe just change it to fear inducement then?

Oh yeah my b
Edit: just added the links to the pokedex along with other touch ups
 
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Wow, this is really huge, good luck to anyone who will apply this.

I don't care about Ash and I will wait more inputs before giving my opinion about the TM lock, but everything else seems fine, aside from the Unown who have the same problem of the previous CRT.
Also, I want to point out that Double Team is afterimage creation, not duplication, the description of the move itself says so
 
I agree with everything but the tiering which I'm neutral about by default as I think trainer scaling in VSBW is wack.
 
Trainer-Trainer scaling isn't what bothers me, it's more about Pokèmon Trainers defeating or catching legendary Pokèmon who're millions of times stronger than them by this wiki's standards.
 
This might be hard to believe but most Legendary Pokémon aren't caught in canon
Even considering that, the story of Gen 3 and 4 literally requires you to catch or defeat the title legendaries, not to mention B2W2 where there's literally no way around fighting a bloodlusted Kyurem, and then there's ignoring subtext such as Ghetsis' Hydreigon clearly being meant to defeat N's legendary.
 
Either way bottom line is I agree with Ash' strongest mons scaling to legends (though not Darkrai, that's a bit much), but I don't think this wiki would.
 
Okay, this a LOT of stuff being prooposed for a single CRT and I highly recommend it gets split between at least 2 of them.

But I will say this right now after glancing through it. I absolutely agree with removing the TM limitation. I always looked at it as just game mechanics since the anime blatantly shows wild Pokémon can naturally learn the moves.

Tutor moves are more debatable since the anime has still shown that to be a thing to some extent (Pikachu learning iron tail, Ash’s Buizel learning ice punch, Ash’s turtwig learnint energy ball, etc.).

But the TM limitation definitely needs to go.
 
Even considering that, the story of Gen 3 and 4 literally requires you to catch or defeat the title legendaries, not to mention B2W2 where there's literally no way around fighting a bloodlusted Kyurem, and then there's ignoring subtext such as Ghetsis' Hydreigon clearly being meant to defeat N's legendary.
Except you don't catch Rayquaza to convince him to stop Groudon and Kyogre, and you don't need to catch Giratina to convince him to let you out of the Reverse World. And when was it stated that Ghetsis's Hydreigon would have defeated N's Zekrom/Reshiram?
 
Except you don't catch Rayquaza to convince him to stop Groudon and Kyogre, and you don't need to catch Giratina to convince him to let you out of the Reverse World. And when was it stated that Ghetsis's Hydreigon would have defeated N's Zekrom/Reshiram?
I'm not here to debate this. However, you need to fight or catch the Primal legends in ORAS and the same with the normal versions in RS, and the same with Giratina. And the fact that Hydreigon has higher speed than the legendaries and will one-shot them, having a ground-type move supereffective against either. It's definitely intentional, though a supporting thing at best.
 
Oh, come on. You're perfectly able to capture them without the Master Ball and there's different text if you beat them instead. Saying "this one single item in the game is clearly the way every single important legendary in the series is dealt with". Besides, there's plenty of games where the story pits you up against multiple legendaries. B2W2 has the whole musketeer trio walk up to you and basically challenge you to fight them, and then there's Kyurem whom you literally cannot catch. Pokèmon Sun and Moon has you facing Lusamine and her team of Ultra Beasts- hell, you fight one way before Solgaleo/Lunala even exist. and in USUM, once again, Ultra Necrozma is not a Pokèmon you can catch, you HAVE to defeat him. Oh, and I'm not even gonna go into Rainbow Rocket.
 
Ah, I see. Well, I can't disagree that Pokèmon scaling necessitates ignoring some stuff- otherwise we might end up with every champion and playable character at 2-B level, but I think it's pretty silly to ignore trainers that outright show their superiority to certain legends.
 
this CRT isn't the place for it, and it's way too big for it. Simply, though, Ash scaling to legendaries is the same as other noteworthy trainers doing so- and it should be debated in a thread of its own
 
I don't care about Ash and I will wait more inputs before giving my opinion about the TM lock, but everything else seems fine, aside from the Unown who have the same problem of the previous CRT.
wait I thought the last CRT we kinda just agreed to deal with it later type thing
 
wait I thought the last CRT we kinda just agreed to deal with it later type thing
Yes, and my stance is always that we don't have evidences of them actually creating that entire space, instead of them just existing there since it was created by someone of something, like the Creation Trio or else.

Regarding the legendaries, if it can be of any use, in some games they fight you and let them be captured as a way to test your resolution, spirit and whatever.
This happens in Swoshi with the dogs, ORAS with Rayquaza, SM with Solgalunaleo and BN with the Tao Duo.
 
If it's a test, then it'd make no sense for them to hold back that much, and nothing indicates they will (except for maybe Nebby since he probably doesn't wanna brutally murder Lillie's best friend right in front of her) and holding back durability is kind of impossible, yet there's often dialogue for fainting them. Even then though, there's cases of Pokèmon where they aren't testing you at all and just want you dead.
 
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