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Well, we downgraded mid tiers. So let's shake more things.
-Aranea Serket profile has very poor grammar or lack words by moments, it should be changed
Condesce's taking over Jade's mind isn't an AP feat. It's actually morality manipulation and not mind manip too.
-Some characters lack a basic description (Sollux, Eridan), I think it would just be better if they had one, even a really minor like Equius'. Also Terezi's render is pretty small and pixeled, a better version would be good.
-As pointed out by Promestein in the inevitability blog, Lord's inevitability technically also apply to Caliborn, although he can't control it unlike his GT self. It should be moved to his base with a precision of him successfully mastering them as a GT and higher.
-Also in the series of "powers everyone has in this verse", I think they should all have Accelerated Developpment because of the concept of Echeladder . Basically you can becomes stronger, more durable, etc... by fighting normally or doing random actions such as throwing your hat hard on the floor. I think it qualify as such. I'm not sure if God Tiers should keep it; since they get small random abilties instead of enhanced stats with the sash thingy.
-Both Jack Noir (prototype x3 at least) and the Black King should have some form of BFR or Spatial Manipulation because of this WoG (p319 of book 3)
"The scepter is a pretty special object. Aside from granting powers and size, it has Skaia itself sitting atop it. Not a mock Skaia, as an ornament, but the real Skaia, as a smaller instantiation of itself, currently contained within itself as a recursive construct. Flying into the Skaia on the scepter is exactly the same as flying into Skaia in the center of the Medium. You could then travel down to the Battlefield, find the king, and fly into Skaia all over again. But if you leave Skaia, you'd never fly out of the scepter. You'd always just fly out of Skaia. Got it? Imagine him using this as a weapon in the final battle. He swats one member of your party with it, and suddenly they find themselves all the way at the edge of Skaia, and they have to fly down to the Battlefield to rejoin the battle, wasting valuable time. It's a nasty end-boss move that can disrupt your tactics."
Bec's Noir feat with the Red Miles is the main one, destroying Billious Slick with ease. In addition to this, Doc. Scratch linked Snowman's life to the Genesis Frog and is able to reset timelines inside it at will.
Now for the justifications, here how it should be:
Bec Noir: Multiverse level+ (Destroyed Bilious Slick with ease and was stated to be superior to Doc Scratch)
Doc Scratch: Multiverse level+ (Linked Snowman's life to Bilious Slick, and can reset the timelines within Bilious Slick. Albeit inferior, he should be somewhat comparable to Bec Noir.) His feat of "assuring the creation of the Alternian Universe" should be removed, since it isn't an AP, and wasn't something that Doc.Scratch truly did.
Jade Harley: Multiverse level+ (Inheriting Bec's First Guardian powers on top of gaining her space attribute grants her almost complete control over matter and space and is considered comparable to Bec Noir) " shrunk an entire universe down to a size comparable to that of a medium-sized ball" was already proved to be something that never happened a loooong time ago, so it should obviously be removed.
Everyone else basically scale to them, so it's all there is to it.
Aradia has already pretty high showing for a god tier, being able to (nearly) instantly master her powers to time-stop Bec Noir and was one of the strongest characters in GT army (from what we saw of the fight).
But she's actually ridiculously above others GT in term of feats.
Let's first go with something that could go against this (tho I doubt anyone would bother to use it as an argument),this page seems to imply that Bec would instantly kill Aradia once he get out of her time stop, however the WoG for this page (which is in Book 6, page 355) actually go in the opposite way (I'll only post a part of it here):
"Aradia currently is an exceptional portrait of character who absolutely has her shit together finally, in every way possible. I think you will agree she is across here as something of a "bad ass". If she didn't straight-up decide to just peace out through Jack as a portal, and if Homestuck rolled somewhat differently, it wouldn't be hard to imagine her unfreezing Jack, getting him in a headlock, and absolutely whaling on him in a frightful display of dominance."
So now that it is clear that she's above GTs in general, we can get to the stuff which would give her a "likely higher" or at best a "likely Low 1-A/1-A".
First, she's now familiar with the very fabric of the Furthest Ring , mastering the flow of time on this scale. In Pesterquest, she can even rewind the encounter between someone with Retcon Powers and an Horrorterror , affecting both of them casually.
In Pesterquest, she also says that her powers extend to the whole narrative/can't go beyond it, which is already Low 1-A to 1-A since "Transcendance Path" Fef and MSPAR are still part of it. She and the reader are also "outside canonical relevance", tho it doesn't matter much.
To support this, both Epilogues and the WoG I started quoting talk about "plane", tho Epilogues says that Aradia is of a lower plane than Alt Calliope (which is logical), and the WoG says that she's above the one most characters are in; which is coherent with her higher awareness, ability to do very minor plot stuff (adding one options to branching choices for example) and previous feats.
"Aradia herself, like me, also gravitates away from conflict, due to this radical god tier-fueled transformation of her persona into an fairly unusual death and destruction-worshipping pacifist type. Sometimes a character will get their shit together so hard, they experience such a profound transcendence of all the petty matters related to the conflicts and plot, that there's really nothing left for them to do but bounce from the story almost entirely. That's basically what she's doing here. She's absconding to a different plane of reality, and rising above all the petty concerns of mortal beings forever."
With this, she should at least get a "likely higher" or "likely Low 1-A/1-A". Although I think there's enough for a clear Low 1-A/1-A.
The reason is that he was considered "too inconsistent", but there's only one point which would make him consistent now (Ghost Andrew was solved, Lord isn't an inconsistence, and Andrew being limited to Hussiespace was proven wrong with his intervention in Doc's mansion): Spades Slick stabbing him.
While it could just have been an outlier for SS, there's another explanation which work perfectly well: Spades Slick is the one who's incoherent.
He's the guy who surprised Doc Scratch by hitting him , survived the destruction of a Multiverse (with help tho), stabbed Andrew ,but still got killed by Quarters and Dave. Also he went to the Furthest Ring but that's fine.
So, is Jack just an incoherent character? Well, sorta.
Like every Homestuck villains, he's a meta-villain, close to what WoG call "the meta-bubble", and he's higher than most characters (but still below the likes of Doc, obviously). It's the WoG from Book 2, page 131 and from Book 4 page 223, which you can both read in this blog.
And as a good alt villains, he has a "meta-power" (which is a name I just made up), which is to ignore the narrative and continuity itself, which basically allows him to have what he wants in general.
This power being 1-A isn't incoherent too, there's already many 1-A hax, and plot hax are among the strongest to begin with.
He should be rated something like "can harm far stronger opponents via inconsistencies", not unlike Gilgamesh 's power (even if it isnt as OP, since Paradox Space is basically a mini-Leviatha wanting to **** with you and everything in existence)
With this, 1-A Andrew Hussie would work: He can control Paradox Space, exist above it (or at very least, the Furhest Ring), was able to put a (very) little fight with the Director, etc...
And now SS has is own special Jack-thing. It can be argued that others Jack may have it too, but one already is immortal thanks to PS, and the other is a mini-Lord, so it seems like SS "special thing".
For now the Horrorterrors just have type 5 without justification on their profile.
However I'm sure people familiar with HS knows that it comes mainly from this statement:
"CC: Our moons are gone too. If we wis)( to sleep now, our dreams must take place in t)(e bubbles glubbed by t)(e gods w)(o live in t)(e Furt)(est Ring.
CC: It is t)(e infinite space w)(ic)( divides all sessions, completely unnavigable and unfat)(omable, untouc)(ed by t)(e time or space of any universe in existence. "
Dreams Bubbles and Genesis Frogs are your regular multiversal space-time, but Horrorterrors are 100% untouched by this, instead living inside the Furhest Ring whose geometry is called a labyrinth and suchlike.
As such, they should have type 4 Acausality.
The retcon powers make the users anomalies in existence, defying their laws and not having to care about "oh but muh inevitability", however, I think type 5 is possible.
To start off, lets put some "scaling" here:
For one, he is definitely infinitly more acausal than the horrorterrors (who should have at least type 4 after the revisions) since their acausality comes from being untouched by the space time of any multiverse in the furthest ring, while john transcends the terms and service of paradox space.
And John seems to resist LE's inevitability armor, at least enough to actually oppose him, which we all know how OP it is, and it affected the horrorterros, proving that their acausality is inferior to john
This is implied by both WOG and the fact that he could change "stuff that shouldn't be changed"
"It's just that the full ascendancy of this potential doesn't play out in combat. It's about freeing himself, and everyone else, from the cyclical, fatalistic prison of the story, wherein they find themselves surrounded by unbeatable foes who all tend to be "already here."
So his acausality >>> Horrorterrors'
Now let's seem the reasons for his acausality
He is unbound by the ties of causality which doesn't imply being in a different system of causality, but just being unbound the causality of his system.
He is also unbound by the rules of paradox space, most which revolve around causality, paradoxes and inevitability, even outside the timelines.
As a bonus, he is unstuck from the narrative, which also works on causality, and transcends the confines of canon, which represents truth, relevancy and essentiality related to narrative consequence.
So with that in mind, i think john fits the description
"transcend the normal boundaries of cause and effect, existing outside of the causality of a system."
As a bonus, there others things that may be strechs, but are worthy a shot
1: john has shown to interact with himself and he seemed to retcon his own retcons, which changes events including him like jade chasing him and stuff, it is possible that he can affect people with his own acausality.
But this is very debatable, as long as his powers are always automatic, it could work.
2: this one might be even more debatable than the one above, basically if john transcends all laws of paradox space, he could get resistance to all aspects there, just like LE does, and possible stuff like the horrorterrors abilities.
Also maybe a resistance to conceptual manipulation, since canon represents truth, and when reality is "conceptually unrevelled", it becomes non-canon, so canon might be conceptual in nature besides narrative, and john transcends it's confines.
Also he did survive a whole day, using his abilities and flying around (even having some ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) time with terezi) while poisoned at a metaphysical level with an attack that bypasses resistances, from LE himself (let's be real, surviving anything from lord english is basically free smurf resistance)
3: this is stupid but maybe we could add some of his acausality stuff into his speed justification in the third key, is not necessary nor important but meh.
The current justification for Immeasurable is thanks to the Furthest Ring, which while true doesn't have the right justification:
1. The furthest ring HAS time, it is just non-linear, aradia stated that moving there normally might make you go backwards in time, you need to master time in order to move there freely.
2. Timeless places don't give speed anymore, nor Being beyond time and space or outside of it.
While the immensurable speed rating is false, the Furthest Ring DO gives Immeasurable speed, it is one of the only realms that i've seen that blatantly need immensurable speed to move around, quoting aradia:
"AA: navigating between bubbles is difficult here
AA: its better to drift between them naturally as they intersect
AA: not spatially but through common points in memory
AA: to navigate the furthest ring you need to have mastered the flow of time!
AA: you see those encounters you had with me before have not happened for me yet because ive only just arrived
AA: time follows strange paths here as does space
AA: if you travel a great enough distance you may discover you are also traveling either backwards or forwards in time as well!
AA: just as if you stay in one place for too long the geometry of space surrounding you will become unreliable
AA: you may swat the air to your left and discover you have just slapped yourself!"
So spacetime in the furthest ring is naturally ****** and screws your actions.
In order to move around normally, you need to at least master the flow of time.
However, Bec noir (and some others, making this consistent) could move there without mastering time, so the only explanation is that his movements and thus his speed are beyond stable space and linear time, which means immensurable speed.
So i propose rewording the speed justification to:
"Can casually move in the furthest ring, where space and time don't work normally and requires mastering the flow of time in order to navigate".
Basically it's Feferi and MSPAR transcending and comprehending meta-rivers one by one until they reach the"full light of reality" which is the very start of the 1-A scaling chain.
I saw some people thinking that the beginning of 1-A was more Lord or something like that, at least these keys will show this isn't the case.
Oh, they also likely have type 5 Acausality (even if MSPAR already would have it with the retcon thingy) since they're above meta-rivers which besides being higher infinites and all are also litteral fate and plots.
The current justification comes from Joey which supposedly "(Fought evenly with monsters who can effortlessly break through wooden walls)"
The only thing I can say is that the person who put this sure never got a game over. Also she litteraly got knocked out by a monster slapping her by error.
For speed, Xefros supposedly "(Reacted to and attempted to dodge a missile)" besides being pretty sure that this was discussed and agreed to be deleted; but dude just looked when he heard the bomb (not a missile) explode and didn't attempted to dodge at all.
Since the stats are wrong, they should all be unknown. Hiveswap act 2 is for this month anyway so we'll likely have new feats.
Oh, Xefros P&A isn't good looking too, so it would need an aesthetic change.
-Caliborn/Lord/Lil Cal gets a resistance to power null and passive innevitability armor moves to his base form, with a precision of him only mastering the forces of inevitability as a God Tier.
-Aranea Serket and Condesce pages needs rework for poor grammar and suchlike.
-Descriptions for profiles who lacks this + a better render for Terezi
-Everyone gets Accelerated Developpment, even Hiveswap dudes.
-2-As gets a rewording and new reasons for their tier
-Aradia gets either a "likely higher", "likely Low 1-A/1-A" or a clear "Low 1-A/1-A"
-Andrew Hussie should be 1-A, and Spades Slick should have the inconsistency armor explained above, with an explanation of it in his "notables attacks/techniques".
-Type 4 Acausality for Horrorterrors
-Retcons users gain Type 5 Accausality + maybe some others resistances and speed stuff (I personally disagree on the second part except for conceptual resistance)
-Immeasurable speed reasonning changes to be because of moving in non-linear space/time
-MSPAR and Feferi should have a new 1-A key called "Transcendence Path".
-Hiveswap character get every stats to Unknown
Miscellanous things
-Resistance to Power Null for Caliborn/Lil Cal: Despite Jack Noir using the Juju Breaker, Lil Cal's powers (which are Lord's) weren't nulled. The Juju Breaker is an artifact with the power to especially null any Juju.-Aranea Serket profile has very poor grammar or lack words by moments, it should be changed
Condesce's taking over Jade's mind isn't an AP feat. It's actually morality manipulation and not mind manip too.
-Some characters lack a basic description (Sollux, Eridan), I think it would just be better if they had one, even a really minor like Equius'. Also Terezi's render is pretty small and pixeled, a better version would be good.
-As pointed out by Promestein in the inevitability blog, Lord's inevitability technically also apply to Caliborn, although he can't control it unlike his GT self. It should be moved to his base with a precision of him successfully mastering them as a GT and higher.
-Also in the series of "powers everyone has in this verse", I think they should all have Accelerated Developpment because of the concept of Echeladder . Basically you can becomes stronger, more durable, etc... by fighting normally or doing random actions such as throwing your hat hard on the floor. I think it qualify as such. I'm not sure if God Tiers should keep it; since they get small random abilties instead of enhanced stats with the sash thingy.
-Both Jack Noir (prototype x3 at least) and the Black King should have some form of BFR or Spatial Manipulation because of this WoG (p319 of book 3)
"The scepter is a pretty special object. Aside from granting powers and size, it has Skaia itself sitting atop it. Not a mock Skaia, as an ornament, but the real Skaia, as a smaller instantiation of itself, currently contained within itself as a recursive construct. Flying into the Skaia on the scepter is exactly the same as flying into Skaia in the center of the Medium. You could then travel down to the Battlefield, find the king, and fly into Skaia all over again. But if you leave Skaia, you'd never fly out of the scepter. You'd always just fly out of Skaia. Got it? Imagine him using this as a weapon in the final battle. He swats one member of your party with it, and suddenly they find themselves all the way at the edge of Skaia, and they have to fly down to the Battlefield to rejoin the battle, wasting valuable time. It's a nasty end-boss move that can disrupt your tactics."
2-A tiering rewording
With the Green Sun now being 1-A, the 2-A justifications should be changed (and justified again, just in case).Bec's Noir feat with the Red Miles is the main one, destroying Billious Slick with ease. In addition to this, Doc. Scratch linked Snowman's life to the Genesis Frog and is able to reset timelines inside it at will.
Now for the justifications, here how it should be:
Bec Noir: Multiverse level+ (Destroyed Bilious Slick with ease and was stated to be superior to Doc Scratch)
Doc Scratch: Multiverse level+ (Linked Snowman's life to Bilious Slick, and can reset the timelines within Bilious Slick. Albeit inferior, he should be somewhat comparable to Bec Noir.) His feat of "assuring the creation of the Alternian Universe" should be removed, since it isn't an AP, and wasn't something that Doc.Scratch truly did.
Jade Harley: Multiverse level+ (Inheriting Bec's First Guardian powers on top of gaining her space attribute grants her almost complete control over matter and space and is considered comparable to Bec Noir) " shrunk an entire universe down to a size comparable to that of a medium-sized ball" was already proved to be something that never happened a loooong time ago, so it should obviously be removed.
Everyone else basically scale to them, so it's all there is to it.
Aradia "likely (Low) 1-A" or just (Low) 1-A
In Paradox Space, everyone get what they want, so my fav troll (with Terezi) get to be the strongest GT.Aradia has already pretty high showing for a god tier, being able to (nearly) instantly master her powers to time-stop Bec Noir and was one of the strongest characters in GT army (from what we saw of the fight).
But she's actually ridiculously above others GT in term of feats.
Let's first go with something that could go against this (tho I doubt anyone would bother to use it as an argument),this page seems to imply that Bec would instantly kill Aradia once he get out of her time stop, however the WoG for this page (which is in Book 6, page 355) actually go in the opposite way (I'll only post a part of it here):
"Aradia currently is an exceptional portrait of character who absolutely has her shit together finally, in every way possible. I think you will agree she is across here as something of a "bad ass". If she didn't straight-up decide to just peace out through Jack as a portal, and if Homestuck rolled somewhat differently, it wouldn't be hard to imagine her unfreezing Jack, getting him in a headlock, and absolutely whaling on him in a frightful display of dominance."
So now that it is clear that she's above GTs in general, we can get to the stuff which would give her a "likely higher" or at best a "likely Low 1-A/1-A".
First, she's now familiar with the very fabric of the Furthest Ring , mastering the flow of time on this scale. In Pesterquest, she can even rewind the encounter between someone with Retcon Powers and an Horrorterror , affecting both of them casually.
In Pesterquest, she also says that her powers extend to the whole narrative/can't go beyond it, which is already Low 1-A to 1-A since "Transcendance Path" Fef and MSPAR are still part of it. She and the reader are also "outside canonical relevance", tho it doesn't matter much.
To support this, both Epilogues and the WoG I started quoting talk about "plane", tho Epilogues says that Aradia is of a lower plane than Alt Calliope (which is logical), and the WoG says that she's above the one most characters are in; which is coherent with her higher awareness, ability to do very minor plot stuff (adding one options to branching choices for example) and previous feats.
"Aradia herself, like me, also gravitates away from conflict, due to this radical god tier-fueled transformation of her persona into an fairly unusual death and destruction-worshipping pacifist type. Sometimes a character will get their shit together so hard, they experience such a profound transcendence of all the petty matters related to the conflicts and plot, that there's really nothing left for them to do but bounce from the story almost entirely. That's basically what she's doing here. She's absconding to a different plane of reality, and rising above all the petty concerns of mortal beings forever."
With this, she should at least get a "likely higher" or "likely Low 1-A/1-A". Although I think there's enough for a clear Low 1-A/1-A.
1-A Andrew Hussie, and SS inconsistency armor
The only page rated "Unknown" is Andrew Hussie, which had a lot of debate for having a tier.The reason is that he was considered "too inconsistent", but there's only one point which would make him consistent now (Ghost Andrew was solved, Lord isn't an inconsistence, and Andrew being limited to Hussiespace was proven wrong with his intervention in Doc's mansion): Spades Slick stabbing him.
While it could just have been an outlier for SS, there's another explanation which work perfectly well: Spades Slick is the one who's incoherent.
He's the guy who surprised Doc Scratch by hitting him , survived the destruction of a Multiverse (with help tho), stabbed Andrew ,but still got killed by Quarters and Dave. Also he went to the Furthest Ring but that's fine.
So, is Jack just an incoherent character? Well, sorta.
Like every Homestuck villains, he's a meta-villain, close to what WoG call "the meta-bubble", and he's higher than most characters (but still below the likes of Doc, obviously). It's the WoG from Book 2, page 131 and from Book 4 page 223, which you can both read in this blog.
And as a good alt villains, he has a "meta-power" (which is a name I just made up), which is to ignore the narrative and continuity itself, which basically allows him to have what he wants in general.
This power being 1-A isn't incoherent too, there's already many 1-A hax, and plot hax are among the strongest to begin with.
He should be rated something like "can harm far stronger opponents via inconsistencies", not unlike Gilgamesh 's power (even if it isnt as OP, since Paradox Space is basically a mini-Leviatha wanting to **** with you and everything in existence)
With this, 1-A Andrew Hussie would work: He can control Paradox Space, exist above it (or at very least, the Furhest Ring), was able to put a (very) little fight with the Director, etc...
And now SS has is own special Jack-thing. It can be argued that others Jack may have it too, but one already is immortal thanks to PS, and the other is a mini-Lord, so it seems like SS "special thing".
Horrorterrors acausality, type 4
Didn't intended to make this one, but since the next point as this as an argument, guess it's better to do it now.For now the Horrorterrors just have type 5 without justification on their profile.
However I'm sure people familiar with HS knows that it comes mainly from this statement:
"CC: Our moons are gone too. If we wis)( to sleep now, our dreams must take place in t)(e bubbles glubbed by t)(e gods w)(o live in t)(e Furt)(est Ring.
CC: It is t)(e infinite space w)(ic)( divides all sessions, completely unnavigable and unfat)(omable, untouc)(ed by t)(e time or space of any universe in existence. "
Dreams Bubbles and Genesis Frogs are your regular multiversal space-time, but Horrorterrors are 100% untouched by this, instead living inside the Furhest Ring whose geometry is called a labyrinth and suchlike.
As such, they should have type 4 Acausality.
Retcon Powers users additions
This one was written by ThelastmlgThe retcon powers make the users anomalies in existence, defying their laws and not having to care about "oh but muh inevitability", however, I think type 5 is possible.
To start off, lets put some "scaling" here:
For one, he is definitely infinitly more acausal than the horrorterrors (who should have at least type 4 after the revisions) since their acausality comes from being untouched by the space time of any multiverse in the furthest ring, while john transcends the terms and service of paradox space.
And John seems to resist LE's inevitability armor, at least enough to actually oppose him, which we all know how OP it is, and it affected the horrorterros, proving that their acausality is inferior to john
This is implied by both WOG and the fact that he could change "stuff that shouldn't be changed"
"It's just that the full ascendancy of this potential doesn't play out in combat. It's about freeing himself, and everyone else, from the cyclical, fatalistic prison of the story, wherein they find themselves surrounded by unbeatable foes who all tend to be "already here."
So his acausality >>> Horrorterrors'
Now let's seem the reasons for his acausality
He is unbound by the ties of causality which doesn't imply being in a different system of causality, but just being unbound the causality of his system.
He is also unbound by the rules of paradox space, most which revolve around causality, paradoxes and inevitability, even outside the timelines.
As a bonus, he is unstuck from the narrative, which also works on causality, and transcends the confines of canon, which represents truth, relevancy and essentiality related to narrative consequence.
So with that in mind, i think john fits the description
"transcend the normal boundaries of cause and effect, existing outside of the causality of a system."
As a bonus, there others things that may be strechs, but are worthy a shot
1: john has shown to interact with himself and he seemed to retcon his own retcons, which changes events including him like jade chasing him and stuff, it is possible that he can affect people with his own acausality.
But this is very debatable, as long as his powers are always automatic, it could work.
2: this one might be even more debatable than the one above, basically if john transcends all laws of paradox space, he could get resistance to all aspects there, just like LE does, and possible stuff like the horrorterrors abilities.
Also maybe a resistance to conceptual manipulation, since canon represents truth, and when reality is "conceptually unrevelled", it becomes non-canon, so canon might be conceptual in nature besides narrative, and john transcends it's confines.
Also he did survive a whole day, using his abilities and flying around (even having some ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° ) time with terezi) while poisoned at a metaphysical level with an attack that bypasses resistances, from LE himself (let's be real, surviving anything from lord english is basically free smurf resistance)
3: this is stupid but maybe we could add some of his acausality stuff into his speed justification in the third key, is not necessary nor important but meh.
Speed rewording
Also brought up by ThelastmlgThe current justification for Immeasurable is thanks to the Furthest Ring, which while true doesn't have the right justification:
1. The furthest ring HAS time, it is just non-linear, aradia stated that moving there normally might make you go backwards in time, you need to master time in order to move there freely.
2. Timeless places don't give speed anymore, nor Being beyond time and space or outside of it.
While the immensurable speed rating is false, the Furthest Ring DO gives Immeasurable speed, it is one of the only realms that i've seen that blatantly need immensurable speed to move around, quoting aradia:
"AA: navigating between bubbles is difficult here
AA: its better to drift between them naturally as they intersect
AA: not spatially but through common points in memory
AA: to navigate the furthest ring you need to have mastered the flow of time!
AA: you see those encounters you had with me before have not happened for me yet because ive only just arrived
AA: time follows strange paths here as does space
AA: if you travel a great enough distance you may discover you are also traveling either backwards or forwards in time as well!
AA: just as if you stay in one place for too long the geometry of space surrounding you will become unreliable
AA: you may swat the air to your left and discover you have just slapped yourself!"
So spacetime in the furthest ring is naturally ****** and screws your actions.
In order to move around normally, you need to at least master the flow of time.
However, Bec noir (and some others, making this consistent) could move there without mastering time, so the only explanation is that his movements and thus his speed are beyond stable space and linear time, which means immensurable speed.
So i propose rewording the speed justification to:
"Can casually move in the furthest ring, where space and time don't work normally and requires mastering the flow of time in order to navigate".
Key additions for Feferi and MSPA Reader
Both should get a "Transcendance Path" key, which was already explained and presented in the 1-A upgrade.Basically it's Feferi and MSPAR transcending and comprehending meta-rivers one by one until they reach the"full light of reality" which is the very start of the 1-A scaling chain.
I saw some people thinking that the beginning of 1-A was more Lord or something like that, at least these keys will show this isn't the case.
Oh, they also likely have type 5 Acausality (even if MSPAR already would have it with the retcon thingy) since they're above meta-rivers which besides being higher infinites and all are also litteral fate and plots.
Hiveswap downgrade
Not Friendsim, just main Hiveswap.The current justification comes from Joey which supposedly "(Fought evenly with monsters who can effortlessly break through wooden walls)"
The only thing I can say is that the person who put this sure never got a game over. Also she litteraly got knocked out by a monster slapping her by error.
For speed, Xefros supposedly "(Reacted to and attempted to dodge a missile)" besides being pretty sure that this was discussed and agreed to be deleted; but dude just looked when he heard the bomb (not a missile) explode and didn't attempted to dodge at all.
Since the stats are wrong, they should all be unknown. Hiveswap act 2 is for this month anyway so we'll likely have new feats.
Oh, Xefros P&A isn't good looking too, so it would need an aesthetic change.
Conclusion
To resume all of this:-Caliborn/Lord/Lil Cal gets a resistance to power null and passive innevitability armor moves to his base form, with a precision of him only mastering the forces of inevitability as a God Tier.
-Aranea Serket and Condesce pages needs rework for poor grammar and suchlike.
-Descriptions for profiles who lacks this + a better render for Terezi
-Everyone gets Accelerated Developpment, even Hiveswap dudes.
-2-As gets a rewording and new reasons for their tier
-Aradia gets either a "likely higher", "likely Low 1-A/1-A" or a clear "Low 1-A/1-A"
-Andrew Hussie should be 1-A, and Spades Slick should have the inconsistency armor explained above, with an explanation of it in his "notables attacks/techniques".
-Type 4 Acausality for Horrorterrors
-Retcons users gain Type 5 Accausality + maybe some others resistances and speed stuff (I personally disagree on the second part except for conceptual resistance)
-Immeasurable speed reasonning changes to be because of moving in non-linear space/time
-MSPAR and Feferi should have a new 1-A key called "Transcendence Path".
-Hiveswap character get every stats to Unknown
