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Homestuck CRT, John Windy Powers downgrade & Low 1-A Depowered Lord English upgrade

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i think weakened lord english could also be "likely 1-A" since "roof of existence" and "fabric of reality" could refer to paradox space itself since those terms are interchangeable, especially when talking about LE, and we also see that the ghosts are "holding onto the borders of paradox space" while everything was cracked and stuff
 
Thelastmlg said:
i think weakened lord english could also be "likely 1-A" since "roof of existence" and "fabric of reality" could refer to paradox space itself since those terms are interchangeable, especially when talking about LE, and we also see that the ghosts are "holding onto the borders of paradox space" while everything was cracked and stuff
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No, because we straight up know that this was taking place in the furthest ring because the fight took place by the black hole that replaced the green sun
 
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No, because we straight up know that this was taking place in the furthest ring because the fight took place by the black hole that replaced the green sun
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which takes place inside of the paradox space, cuz that's where the furthest ring is, and everything else for that matter, they don't specify that he is only damaging the ring, they say he is cracking existence and reality, same words they use for him to refer to the threat of destroying paradox space, which is why i think a likely works
 
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which takes place inside of the paradox space, cuz that's where the furthest ring is, and everything else for that matter, they don't specify that he is only damaging the ring, they say he is cracking existence and reality, same words they use for him to refer to the threat of destroying paradox space, which is why i think a likely works
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Thats what the context implies given the entire plot that lead up to the LE fight with the whole vriska path situation where they explicitly speak about lord english ******* up the furthest ring, especially when it makes zero sense for him to be able to given paradox space scaling above the green sun which is what LE draws a good amount of his power from, so why would a weaker version of him scale above the green sun, unless you wish to posit
Peak Lord English=<Green Sun<Paradox Space=>Weakened Lord English<Peak Lord English
Which has issues for reasons I hopefully do not have to point out
 
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so why would a weaker version of him scale above the green sun, unless you wish to posit
Peak Lord English=<Green Sun<Paradox Space=>Weakened Lord English<Peak Lord English
Which has issues for reasons I hopefully do not have to point out
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The Green Sun imo is weird to scale, as MSPA Reader became basically the most powerful character in the verse after absorbing it, so you could argue it being higher than Paradox Space, but eh. Either way, this scaling looks wack.

Although, isn't Paradox Space considered Baseline 1-A? I think likely 1-A could work, but Low 1-A just makes more sense.
 
i'll tackle the other arguments i have for 1-A scaling in general later in my own CRT, but i never said he would scale above paradox space, he'd downscale from damaging the structure, not busting it in one shot

anyway, low 1-A is fine
 
I did actually message ImNot4nUser and Ultima, but not sure if they'll respond. Might have to reach out to some more knowledgeable members or just people who know Tier 1 in general.
 
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Lol no worries man. I plan to help too. All I need to do is to get off my butt and stop procastrinating this reread of Homestuck that I really, really need to finish
 
My coming CRT has a bunch of new justifications, fixes, additions, classpect summaries, etc, for pretty much all profiles, all with scans, and i can get scans for their abilities and stuff too

Call me the knight of time cuz i think i will exploit the fact that this thread might take a while to conclude and already make a ovehaul blog for the new profiles with the stuff i wanna add, ignoring the general 1-A upgrade attempt ofc
 
Thelastmlg said:
My coming CRT has a bunch of new justifications, fixes, additions, classpect summaries, etc, for pretty much all profiles, all with scans, and i can get scans for their abilities and stuff too

Call me the knight of time cuz i think i will exploit the fact that this thread might take a while to conclude and already make a ovehaul blog for the new profiles with the stuff i wanna add, ignoring the general 1-A upgrade attempt ofc
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Consider me excited!
 
Thelastmlg said:
My coming CRT has a bunch of new justifications, fixes, additions, classpect summaries, etc, for pretty much all profiles, all with scans, and i can get scans for their abilities and stuff too

Call me the knight of time cuz i think i will exploit the fact that this thread might take a while to conclude and already make a ovehaul blog for the new profiles with the stuff i wanna add, ignoring the general 1-A upgrade attempt ofc
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I am also excited to see where this goes.

Also, should I make a new key for John for the Low 1-A AP? Because I think having it in the Post-Retcon Powers key would mess with the scaling.
 
FoxySonicMaster108 said:
I am also excited to see where this goes.

Also, should I make a new key for John for the Low 1-A AP? Because I think having it in the Post-Retcon Powers key would mess with the scaling.
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If my 1-A stuff goes through, i think pretty much everyone would scale to it, but i guess for now he can have a “epilogues” key
 
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