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Giorno with GER should not be put in the 8-C tier as he was capable of nullifying an nier universal time erasure. Nullifying an erasure of a fundimental part of the universe,even a piece of it should be be considered higher than building level.
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How is Giorno only considered 8-C with GER?
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Shouldn't that also be considered when tiering a character?
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Hax =/= AP
Though, there is some cases where you can get a solid tier via hax alone, but its not GER's case
Though, there is some cases where you can get a solid tier via hax alone, but its not GER's case
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Why was he an exception though?
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What do you mean?
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Why is he the case to not get a tier by hax?
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Because it can't really be applied, his hax is potent but it shouldn't scale to his AP
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That didnt really answer the question, why cant he have via hax a tier?
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Like I said it can't really be applied, its not like his reset is a 3-A attack or something. All it does is reset actions which again is not really something we can use for quantifying AP.
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^^^
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Doesnt it say on Diavolo profile his stand warps space too during time skip?Its also seen the surroundings are breaking and such when he activates that
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It's a cool visual effect that again doesn't affect AP.
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The surrounds breaking are a fancy effect of the time skip. nothing is really being brokenBlackDarkness679 said:
Warping space is hax without further context
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Also warping space is sometimes unquantifiable like in this instance
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How is it an affect if it says he affects space too there, everything around becomes a void till time returns
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You just said it: "till time returns"BlackDarkness679 said:
When the time skip is over, you can see that nothing was really affected (outside of time being skipped), it just a visual effect that happens when Diavolo is using time skip
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^^^
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Then why on his profile he his space manipulation there if its just visual effect as you say...everything can return back to normal after its ability stops
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Warping space is a byproduct of his Timeskip (aka Causality Manip), and in a non combat applicable wayBlackDarkness679 said:
He doesnt destroy anything, he just...affects space in a funny way by skipping time over
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Nobody said that warp is combat applicable, can be damage to environment at the very least
This doesnt help your argument in any way, the surroundings are affected and when its over its returns to normal and the affects cease
This doesnt help your argument in any way, the surroundings are affected and when its over its returns to normal and the affects cease
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Do you have proof that it actually destroys things? Because thats not even mentioned in the profile. Warping scape =/= damaging space
Are you implying that timeskip destroy everything and it suddenly reconstruct it all in the end? Thats makes literally 0 sense and it doesnt correlate to Diavolo's ability at all
Are you implying that timeskip destroy everything and it suddenly reconstruct it all in the end? Thats makes literally 0 sense and it doesnt correlate to Diavolo's ability at all
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Visually its seen everything breaks apart each time he does it
You wanna talk about making sense when talking about jojo?Space is affected only during the time skip, why should it be still in affect when the ability its over?
You wanna talk about making sense when talking about jojo?Space is affected only during the time skip, why should it be still in affect when the ability its over?
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Exactly, because its only a visual effectBlackDarkness679 said:
Yes...but it doesnt destroy nor break anything. His "warping space" thing comes from skipping time, which in turn affects space since both concepts are correlated
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You imply that its just special affect....by that logic of yours it means he doesnt warp anything then
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You misunderstood
The "warp space" doesnt come from the visual effect that it shows up during the timeskip (things "breaking" and all)
It comes from the timeskip itself, since he is naturally affecting space when he messes with time. But it doesnt break anything
The "warp space" doesnt come from the visual effect that it shows up during the timeskip (things "breaking" and all)
It comes from the timeskip itself, since he is naturally affecting space when he messes with time. But it doesnt break anything
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How can you affect space but not do anything to it, makes zero sense and its contradicting what you say
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>not do anything to it
Except he does. He makes space go forward, alongside time itself. Otherwise, people wouldnt be skipped.
He just doesnt do damage
Also, nice strawman. I never said that he doesnt do anything with it
Except he does. He makes space go forward, alongside time itself. Otherwise, people wouldnt be skipped.
He just doesnt do damage
Also, nice strawman. I never said that he doesnt do anything with it
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Makes zero sense, it cant be special effect but affect space still, you contradict what you say
Either he warps it and causes environmental dmg since it breaks apart the surroundings or he doesnt and its just too look flashy, you cant have both
Either he warps it and causes environmental dmg since it breaks apart the surroundings or he doesnt and its just too look flashy, you cant have both
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No, you are the one that doesnt seem to understand
The visual effect doesnt have anything to do with space manip
The timeskip (as in, when he is skipping time) does, and thats where the "warp space" comes from. Literally in the profile
Non-combat applicable hax exists, and Diavolo's space warp is one of those
Also, Warping =/= Breaking
The visual effect doesnt have anything to do with space manip
The timeskip (as in, when he is skipping time) does, and thats where the "warp space" comes from. Literally in the profile
Non-combat applicable hax exists, and Diavolo's space warp is one of those
Also, Warping =/= Breaking
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You called it special affect what we see during the skip
From where else then can you prove it he really affects space
You still contradict yourself
From where else then can you prove it he really affects space
You still contradict yourself
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>You called it special affect what we see during the skip
I was referring to the things "breaking", that thing is a visual effect
>From where else then can you prove it he really affects space
From when time is skipped. When you skip time, space is affected regardless because you are also moving matter, skipping them to a specific timeframe
I was referring to the things "breaking", that thing is a visual effect
>From where else then can you prove it he really affects space
From when time is skipped. When you skip time, space is affected regardless because you are also moving matter, skipping them to a specific timeframe
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You keep saying the breaking is just affects but have no otjer proof to claim he has it, other then going by the visual presentation
No offence but you still didnt prived or backed up anything, either he has that going by whats done with the space tearing away or he doesnt
No offence but you still didnt prived or backed up anything, either he has that going by whats done with the space tearing away or he doesnt
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Burden of Proof is on you to prove that he destroy things outside of just being a visual effect, since Im just going off whats in the profile, nothing else
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>visual effect
It aint a visual effect, he really does **** with space and matter, kinda obvious in the manga (the matter that falls apart and breaks even has speed trails and speed lines at certain points, a good example is in this panel, The debris fly back into place with Diavolo even having to move his head to avoid some rocks, and this scene), but it aint exactly useful nor does it effect AP. It's just something that happens and then fixes itself.
It aint a visual effect, he really does **** with space and matter, kinda obvious in the manga (the matter that falls apart and breaks even has speed trails and speed lines at certain points, a good example is in this panel, The debris fly back into place with Diavolo even having to move his head to avoid some rocks, and this scene), but it aint exactly useful nor does it effect AP. It's just something that happens and then fixes itself.
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No budy its on you, since you claim it visual affect what is shown, yet you got nothing else to say he really does it, once again you use contradicting logicOblivion Of The Endless said:
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Actually, you were the one claiming at first that he damages stuff without proving it, so
His tier is not getting changed by that even if it was legit btw, and GER is not getting changed either, so it doesnt even matter at this point Ò⢴╝ê´Òâ╝´¢Ç）Ôöî
His tier is not getting changed by that even if it was legit btw, and GER is not getting changed either, so it doesnt even matter at this point Ò⢴╝ê´Òâ╝´¢Ç）Ôöî
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> even if it was legit btw,
It is legit though, it's just not combat applicable or even permanent, it's just a temporary side effect. Tier wont change or anything but there is some spatial/matter manip going on as a side effect.
It is legit though, it's just not combat applicable or even permanent, it's just a temporary side effect. Tier wont change or anything but there is some spatial/matter manip going on as a side effect.
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