hit vs superboy prime

[HrishikeshM]

speed equal, both 3-a

standard battle assumptions

hit: 9 [akm, xantospoc, thec2, stryk3r, quantu, mania, toribot, theglassman, jackjoyce]

sbp: 1 [oloserian]

 

[Schnee_One]

No

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Didn't this done before? What's the results of the last thread again?

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Also which one is faster, quendecillions or tredecillions? Because someone will be blitzed here.

 

[HrishikeshM]

speed is equal

 

[ShiroyashaGinSan]

Oh still, find the last thread and see the results..... I'm out.

 

[Zensum]

Countdown Prime stomps bad

Didn't this done before? What's the results of the last thread again?

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/338506 https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1392989 here ya go

 

[Schnee_One]

Also which one is faster, quendecillions or tredecillions? Because someone will be blitzed here.

Boy is tredecillions, he blitzes

 

[Landon_Avery]

...well

 

[Quantu]

This turned into a shitstorm in my thread here so I recommend closing this one.

 

[HrishikeshM]

the last thread was going really well until...oh well

i believe this thread should get a chance

 

[HrishikeshM]

bump

 

[AKM sama]

SBP has not shown resistance against time stop, and in-character he is like an angry manchild. Hit can easily outsmart him with either of his dimensional shifting, time stop or invisible/intangible punch.

 

[Xantospoc]

Hit could just AP stomp. Superboy's Prime best feats are on the baseline, to the point he is LIKELY 3-A. Hit is VASTLY above it, at least x200 times, even when going by his first appearence. Inb4 retcon punch that SBP has no control over and has never used IC

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

Hit takes this, I think.

Prime has no resistance to the Time Skip or way to counter it. He's really got no way to stop Hit's invisible/intangible attacks, either.

What truly seals the deal, however, is the fact that Hit will do this immediately and be done the fight.

 

[HrishikeshM]

so thats 3 for hit

 

[Stryk3r1337]

Hit FRA. However if SBP were bloodlusted, he would stomp

 

[Quantu]

Eh screw it, Hit FRA

 

[Oloserian]

Superboy's Prime best feats are on the baseline
No they're not.

For some background, Captain Atom once created an exact copy of the DC Universe, which is over 1000x bigger than a normal one and then proceeded to destroy it, the problem with Captain Atom is he limits himself to much lower levels. Well, one day he sufferd an attack from a Monitor which caused his skin to be breached and he had to be put into Monarch's armor, which caused him to lose his morals and be able to tap into the Quantum Field at its full potential.

So we have Monarch being as powerful as Captain Atom at his full potential, that's already impressive right? Well, apparently not for Monarch, because he proceeded to amp himself up by absorbing the power of 51 alternate versions of himself.

Impressed now? Superboy isn't, because he proceeds overpower him and "kill him to death" ripping open his chest. All of the energy within Monarch spills out destroying the Universe they're in and guess what Superboy got knocked out for a few seconds and left barely scratched.

Conclusion, Superboy managed to beat someone who was already 1000x Universal at base and was actually even stronger at that moment.

As for the time hax, I'm not sure why this isn't on Superboy's profile, but since he is Superman he should have the same powers as him, which include resistance to time manipulation.

Superboy-Prime should win this.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@Oloserian

Even if Prime could resist the Time Skip, he's going to go down to just one of Hit's assassination blasts. Also Hit can just go into his parallel dimension to avoid most attacks.

 

[Mania568]

assuming being the same body has same resistences is kinda iffy, if you think it should be there make a crt thread, still this is with the informations on their profiles.

hit for reasons above.

 

[Oloserian]

@TheC2

Assuming can one-shot Prime with the assassination blasts is just NLF, if he can do that to anyone, why didn't he do that to Jiren?

@Mania568

Reasons above included Hit's alleged AP advantage which I disproved, Prime can easily beat him to death.

 

[Mania568]

^ i dont know how useful hit atack would be but goku was slightly stronger in blue but one strike and he was dead, dont compare 3-a to low 2-c to say it doesnt work against same tiering.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@Oloserian

No it isn't a NLF. The attack is intangible, ignores durability and if it it's a vital spot, it's a one hit kill. As for why it didn't work on Jiren:

1. Jiren blocked the attack. That's why Jiren noted to be able to stop intangible attacks.

2. Even if it had connected it wouldn't have killed him because, you're not allowed to kill in the Tournament of Power, meaning Hit would have to tone it down to simply injure, like he did on another Pride Trooper.

 

[Oloserian]

Goku and Hit were very close in power when they were fighting, it makes sense that the assassination blasts would heavily injure him. I'm not really saying that 3-A Prime is comparable to Jiren I'm specifiying that the attack doesn't work on everyone and we can't assume it does.

Moreover, Hit canonically doesn't start off with assassination blasts and Prime has the habit of killing people as fast as he possibly can and would likely pummel Hit to the ground.

 

[Mania568]

hit doesnt even give someone a chance, he is an assassin, his targets die without even knowing, he uses killing attacks right away, dont use tournaments where it was forbidden as excuse, negating durability and showned to work against same tier you need some sort of resistence to say it would not work because your head-cannon say so, your argument is invalid

 

[Oloserian]

@TheC2

Wouldn't Hit have to know kryptonian physiology to know where Superboy's vitals are? Also Hit doesn't canonically start with it and since it requires distance and Superboy closes in immediately to brawl he would likely have no way to even use it during the battle.

Also, while Prime can't really control the Retcon Punch, it could very well retcon Hit out of existence if it happened.

I'm not saying Hit has no way of winning but it's more likely he will get killed than the other way around.

 

[Mania568]

if i was hit i would assume the brain is in the head

hit starts with time skip and his negate defense attack works at a distance, it ALSO works close.

if you cant tell us that he can negate time skip and can tank the attack for sure, then hit wins.

 

[Oloserian]

Prime broke out of the Speed Force, which is is the force behind the flow of time across the whole universe. I'd say that's enough to break out of time skip. Beyond that normal Superman is already resistant to time-manipulation, SPB is a superior version of Superman. Prime has several feats of destroying dimension walls massively stronger than Hit's dimension. Superboy also has a very big AP advantage.

Prime should win.

 

[Mania568]

then make a CTR first, then debate it.

if that version of superman has resistence to it then goku black resists existence erasure, since same body means same everything acording to you, unless all kryptonians have an innate resistence to it.

hit doesnt go to his dimension for time skip and if he is frozen he couldnt power out of it either way.

without the revision you say he should have nothing stops hit to IN character, freeze time, do a slow walk to go to his body and use his assassin negate durability atack that is proven to work against other 3A on his brain and call it a slow day.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

@Oloserian

Not really. Kryptonian physiology is different, but they still have a heart and brain in the exact same places as most humanoid species. They've never been mentioned to have multiple or redundant organs.

Also, we've seen Hit in a tournament setting with no kill rules (Universe 6 vs Universe 7, Tournament of Power) and what he's like without such rules (when he was hired to kill Goku). Without rules, Hit went instantly for the kill when they engaged. The only reason he didn't kill Goku on the spot was because he respects him and didn't want to kill him. Even asking Goku to lay low.

Hit's assassin blast can be used close up or at distance. He demonstrates this when he fought Vegeta. Every time those purple lines come, that's Hit using the technique.




We know this because it was noted that Hit was attacking Vegeta internally. Vegeta called the attacks soft but as Hit was attacking his vitals, the damage was quickly adding up. Hit even tells him that he'll die if he keeps taking punishment like this. It should also be noted that Vegeta was more powerful than Hit.

Then, there's the fact that Hit can go intangible and make illusions/duplicates of himself. It's not very likely that Prime will ever actually strike the real Hit or even know where he's coming from. Additionally, Hit can improve in response to his opponent.

It's possible for Prime to retcon punch Hit but it's almost a certainty that Hit will just one hit kill based on his M.O. and abilities. It's not a matter of if they could kill each other. It's about who could do that more often.

Prime has little to no control on his best bet to win, while Hit will use his from the start.

 

[Oloserian]

Goku Black is actually an example of the same body meaning same everything , since his resistance to time-stop is because he has the same body as Goku.

I also gave the example of Prime breaking out of the Speed Force, but if you wish cut short the debate in order for me to prove that Superman has the same abilities as Superman so be it.

 

[Mania568]

he has resistence to it since he stole goku body AFTER he learned that....

again if you think he has said skills/resistences make a thread to ask for a revision, telling it here wont help as we use the current profiles as the stats.

 

[C2_of_Omegon]

There's also another possible flaw in the Time Resistance argument:

Prime is kryptonian from the Pre-Crisis era. We do not credit Pre-Crisis Superman with any resistances he (Prime) demonstrates, because he hasn't shown them.

The resistance to Time Stop and Manipulation are demonstrated by Post-Crisis Superman.

Prime is an alternate version of Kryptonian with notable differences from Post-Crisis Kryptonians.

 

[Oloserian]

Post-Crisis Superman was also a Pre-Crisis Kryptonian, until Crisis on Infinite Earths where his character changed completely, just like Superboy Prime.

 

[AKM sama]

You can't scale resistances like this, otherwise everyone in DB would be resistant to everything which a character has resisted. SBP is not the same as Post-crisis Supes.

 

[Tori-Bot]

Hit phases and time stops, Superboy dies.

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

You guy's do know this thread is going to be closed again and won't be added, right? Similar to the past 3 threads with the same characters.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I wanna remain out of this for the time being, but isn't the DC universe a heck of a lot bigger than ours, being 100 trillion lightyears as opposed to our 93 billion lightyears, making SBP's casual feat like, 100+ times baseline?

 

[The_Everlasting]

The maximum size of the universe is unknown.