Hinata vs Reinhard (again???)

[SatellaTheWoE]

Not sure why this match was removed from their profiles
HInata Sakaguechi pre saint key
vs
Reinhard Van Astrea
SBA
starting distance is 50m
speed is equalized

 

[Berga14]

Just to say but both the "2C" rating for hinata need to be changed to "Low 1C"

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Just to say but both the "2C" rating for hinata need to be changed to "Low 1C"

doesnt really change anything for this matchup, disintegration is instant win for her

 

[Berga14]

doesnt really change anything for this matchup, disintegration is instant win for her

I Just wanted to point out that the profile was incomplete. Anyway, idk much about Reinhard but Hinata has melt slash and you sayd "speed is equalized" so i think Hinata should be able to one tap him with that.

 

[Mizuki67]

all of tensura magic, law and skills are 5D hax and have its layers so no idea why this is even here lol

 

[Mizuki67]

I Just wanted to point out that the profile was incomplete. Anyway, idk much about Reinhard but Hinata has melt slash and you sayd "speed is equalized" so i think Hinata should be able to one tap him with that.

she has passive purification that kinda works like power null. If there is no argument from any side how Reinhard can counter this I will close this vs thread since it is a stomp anyways and we know her power null and power absorption has 1 layer anyways which makes this a spite match since I dont see how Reinhard is resisting this

 

[Berga14]

all of tensura magic, law and skills are 5D hax and have its layers so no idea why this is even here lol

He probably didn't knew about the L1C upgrade cause he didn't see it on her profile.

she has passive purification that kinda works like power null. If there is no argument from any side how Reinhard can counter this I will close this vs thread since it is a stomp anyways and we know her power null and power absorption has 1 layer anyways which makes this a spite match since I dont see how Reinhard is resisting this

This to.
Hinata stomp

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

she has passive purification that kinda works like power null. If there is no argument from any side how Reinhard can counter this I will close this vs thread since it is a stomp anyways and we know her power null and power absorption has 1 layer anyways which makes this a spite match since I dont see how Reinhard is resisting this

passive purification doesnt really do anything since Reinhard's attacks are physical in nature and his attacks are 5C whereas Hinata's durability is 6A which means its a one shot
he can also dodge all of her attacks with relative ease

 

[Berga14]

he can also dodge all of her attacks with relative ease

Dude you equalized the speed

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Dude you equalized the speed

he can still aim dodge
If there is a reason for why he cannot then i will change it to unequal speed

 

[Robo432343]

all of tensura magic, law and skills are 5D hax and have its layers so no idea why this is even here lol

how do u know

 

[Mizuki67]

passive purification doesnt really do anything since Reinhard's attacks are physical in nature and his attacks are 5C whereas Hinata's durability is 6A which means its a one shot
he can also dodge all of her attacks with relative ease

you forgot that she has legend grade equipment that can block physical attacks .

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

you forgot that she has legend grade equipment that can block physical attacks

Reinhard is skilled enough to hit her, also he gets speed amped the more someone repeats their attacks and techniques
here are the imp Reinhard abilities:

• Divine Protection of Projectile Evasion: All ranged attacks, such as thrown weapons, will change their trajectory to miss him, effectively making it impossible to hit him from afar.
  • Divine Protection of Projectile Striking: All of his ranged attacks will automatically hit their target.
  • Divine Protection of Initiative: His first attack on an opponent always lands, and he can never fall victim to surprise attacks.
  • Divine Protection of First Sight: He will instinctively know how to counter or dodge attacks that he is experiencing for the first time, including surprise attacks, and he will be awakened should he be sleeping. But if he is unable to physically avoid or counter the attack, the Divine Protection will not activate.
  • Divine Protection of Second Sight: He will intuitively respond to attacks that he experiences twice or more with a vastly greater speed, including surprise attacks, and he will be awakened should he be sleeping. This effectively causes attacks to not land on him, making it an effective ability against formidable opponents.

 

[Mizuki67]

how do u know

Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken (Light Novel) Tier 1 Scaling

So, what next? Anything else or can we apply the changes? Wait for one more staff then open the cosmology page , rimuru and veldanava profile to apply all the changes

vsbattles.com

 

[Mizuki67]

Reinhard is skilled enough to hit her, also he gets speed amped the more someone repeats their attacks and techniques
here are the imp Reinhard abilities:

The holy field reduce one stamina. What does he have against Analytical Prediction that Rimuru finds it difficult to deal with.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

However the Anti Magic Area has its ability to deplete one stamina anyways.

he can fight endlessly against Satella, also anti magic area only depletes stamina for monsters because they are made from magicules which are removed from the atmosphere
Plus she would need time to set it up and she doesnt get prep time here

What does he have against Analytical Prediction that Rimuru finds it difficult to deal with

Scales above Cecilus who:

• Analytical Prediction (Cecilus is constantly aware of everything in his surroundings, analyzing other's physical abilities, conduct, and sounds,[4] to always have a grasp the positions of everyone and everything nearby. He is unfathomably superior to Emilia who dodged a rain of arrows faster than her eyes could track by reading the shooters' intent.[24] Far superior to Old Wilhelm who, invisible or not, can anticipate his opponents attacks[10] by watching the movement of their eyes, feeling their hostility, reading how they breathe as they aim. At least comparable to Theresia who can predict her opponent's future attacks[25] from the stance they take, from where their eyes are trained, and from the very air that hangs above them, and can see, read, and feel paths of hostility[25] raining down upon her)

On top of that, his blessing allows him to automatically dodge any attacks as mentioned above. Once he spots an incoming strike, he cant get hit by it again, even if it’s a danmaku. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, his speed gets a nice amp.

He can run through a heavy rainstorm without a single raindrop touching him, which means Hinata is going to have a really tough time landing any hits

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

What prevents Hinata from just stealing his blessings and other abilities?

 

[Berga14]

he can fight endlessly against Satella, also anti magic area only depletes stamina for monsters because they are made from magicules which are removed from the atmosphere
Plus she would need time to set it up and she doesnt get prep time here


Scales above Cecilus who:

On top of that, his blessing allows him to automatically dodge any attacks as mentioned above. Once he spots an incoming strike, he cant get hit by it again, even if it’s a danmaku. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, his speed gets a nice amp.

He can run through a heavy rainstorm without a single raindrop touching him, which means Hinata is going to have a really tough time landing any hits

Hinata takes away those blessings with usurper then he just land a hit with a fearly strong magic and it's done.
Anyway, does reinhard has some win condition?

 

[Zabazab]

Would Hinata die if her head was cut off?

 

[Mizuki67]

she has passive purification that kinda works like power null. If there is no argument from any side how Reinhard can counter this I will close this vs thread since it is a stomp anyways and we know her power null and power absorption has 1 layer anyways which makes this a spite match since I dont see how Reinhard is resisting this

Hinata takes away those blessings with usurper then he just land a hit with a fearly strong magic and it's done.
Anyway, does reinhard has some win condition?

What prevents Hinata from just stealing his blessings and other abilities?

Fun fact I have already mentioned this before.

 

[CodeCCLL]

Would Hinata die if her head was cut off?

Yes, as long as you don't use the Divine Saint version.

 

[Meli_Tempest]

This is a stomp in favor of hinata.

Conceptual Hax 5D, I don't see what Reinhard has against this.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

btw, why is Hinata's profile called "Saint in transition" While she is not even that yet? Won't affect the abilities on her profile, but I am curious?

Edit- Right, I forgot her profile is outdated, but still doesn't explain her missing her first key...

 

[Zabazab]

Yes, as long as you don't use the Divine Saint version.

I see. Does she have a counter to Reinhard walking up to her and cutting her in half, then? MHS vs FTL is quite the gap.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

I see. Does she have a counter to Reinhard walking up to her and cutting her in half, then? MHS vs FTL is quite the gap.

Speed is equalized. Though I am curious what speed amps Reinhart have, since Hinata has a 1000x perception boost.

 

[Zabazab]

OP does not say speed is equal, it just says SBA.

 

[Berga14]

OP does not say speed is equal, it just says SBA.

He edited it, before it also sayd speed equal

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

He edited it, before it also sayd speed equal

yeah i forgot to add speed equal back, my bad

Speed is equalized. Though I am curious what speed amps Reinhart have, since Hinata has a 1000x perception boost.

Reinhard can perception amp himself 100x and grows faster with time

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

yeah i forgot to add speed equal back, my bad

Reinhard can perception amp himself 100x and grows faster with time

What does he have against meltslash?
I honestly don’t see why she can’t just steal his abilities and then use melt slash.(which doesn’t even require prep)

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Reinhard can perception amp himself 100x and grows faster with time

So at the start, Hinata has a 10x advantage?

Either way, let's get this started like last time. What is His starting move?

Hinata will start By analyzing and trying to steal/copy Reinhart's abilities.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

What does he have against meltslash?

He doesn't, If Hinata hits with melt slash, is GG. The discussion will mainly involve if Hinata will be able to hit him or Will be dealt with beforehand.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

What does he have against meltslash?

he can aim dodge pretty easily, also as previously mentioned he can dodge undodgable attacks like Rain of light, raindrops in a rainstorm, sand particles in a sandstorm, an explosion in a small room without exiting the room and so on and so forth

I honestly don’t see why she can’t just steal his abilities and then use melt slash.(which doesn’t even require prep)

I thought Usurper only worked agianst stronger opponents?
Either way, his abilities are given to him by Od Laguna so even if she does try to steal them he will just get them again and same blessings cancel each other (This is if Od Laguna simply doesnt just remove the blessings from Hinata herself)
His dodging skills are also pretty much the same even without his blessings so that isnt really a counter argument for why he wouldnt be able to dodge her

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So at the start, Hinata has a 10x advantage?

Either way, let's get this started like last time. What is His starting move?

Hinata will start By analyzing and trying to steal/copy Reinhart's abilities.

she has a 10x perception advantage, but that really doesnt do anything since Reinhard is too skilled and can literally create any new techniques on the fly
already explained why analysing, stealing/copying Reinhard's blessings wouldnt really do anything

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

He doesn't, If Hinata hits with melt slash, is GG. The discussion will mainly involve if Hinata will be able to hit him or Will be dealt with beforehand.

So can he resist getting his abilities stolen and then analyzed? And if they are stolen what stops her from summoning spirits or using melt slash/desintigration

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

she has a 10x perception advantage, but that really doesnt do anything since Reinhard is too skilled and can literally create any new techniques on the fly
already explained why analysing, stealing/copying Reinhard's blessings wouldnt really do anything

I think you misunderstand how usurper and Mathematical work.

The skill can also copy sword techniques (but would lack any real experience with them), and it wouldn't be affected by the other parties' "source" prohibiting them from using it. Either way, another important part is what counts as "stronger" for her ability?

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

So can he resist getting his abilities stolen and then analyzed?

nope, but he doesnt need to
his blessings are type 8 abilities. if Hinata gets them Od Laguna can just yoink them away and give them back to Reinhard

And if they are stolen what stops her from summoning spirits or using melt slash/desintigration

Reinhard can still dodge melt slash/disintegration
Also he passively absorbs mana to the point that magic simply doesnt work around him, he also has a 80% resistance to all magic types (which both tensura and ReZero have the same number of)

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I think you misunderstand how usurper and Mathematical work.

The skill can also copy sword techniques (but would lack any real experience with them), and it wouldn't be affected by the other parties' "source" prohibiting them from using it.

Even IF she retains the blessings it wouldnt do much because Reinhard will have the same blessings and they will just cancel each other out, Reinhard is still too skilled for Hinata to be able to hit him which is the main issue

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

So can he resist getting his abilities stolen and then analyzed? And if they are stolen what stops her from summoning spirits or using melt slash/desintigration

He dosen't resist his blessing being stolen, ir's either Hinata's abilities won't work due to he being Weaker then her, or just Him regaining the blessings.

Nothing stops her from summoning spirits.

Her hitting him with either of the spells is an instant lose as mentioned earlier. So it is is more a question if he can dodge or not, preventing the spells to ever hit him.

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

he can aim dodge pretty easily, also as previously mentioned he can dodge undodgable attacks like Rain of light, raindrops in a rainstorm, sand particles in a sandstorm, an explosion in a small room without exiting the room and so on and so forth

Sounds like BS

I thought Usurper only worked agianst stronger opponents?

I don’t remember. But pretty sure she can still copy and analyze them. Imma have to check. But in that case she should simply also get faster and also be able to stall and then put up a barrier so he can’t use his powers anymore

Either way, his abilities are given to him by Od Laguna so even if she does try to steal them he will just get them again and same blessings cancel each other (This is if Od Laguna simply doesnt just remove the blessings from Hinata herself)
His dodging skills are also pretty much the same even without his blessings so that isnt really a counter argument for why he wouldnt be able to dodge her

She scales vastly higher so idk how it would take them back.(she also has resistance) and If his dodging isn’t a hax and just cause of movement then I don’t see how he would dodge disintegration.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Even IF she retains the blessings it wouldnt do much because Reinhard will have the same blessings and they will just cancel each other out, Reinhard is still too skilled for Hinata to be able to hit him which is the main issue

Honestly, I am unsure about that. What would Reinhart do, if Hinata started to summon spirits?