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in b4 chest level Kratos because he can't open a chest without struggling
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High-Universal Black Clover
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Dante Negs Dimension Slash
Yami needs something more poweful
Yami condenses his mana to create death thrust
Dante goes boom
Mana Zone is just natures mana borrowed by human. So yeah Yami's pure AP bypassed his hax.
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Circles are only endless in the sense of having no defined endpoint. Guess what they can be interpreted to be infinite in the sense that you can travel infinite distance on its perimeter without ever exiting the circle. Maybe people need to learn some basic English understanding instead of circlejerking words. Infinity cannot be defined without endless and both are fundamentally linked.
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heavy chest.
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Uhh.. yes it does? Singularity gave him a passive defense and Death Thrust just broke through it and blew him up.
Dimension Slash < Death Thrust
Yami even says he needed higher attack power, RIGHT after Dimension Slash failed.
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No? Attack potency isn't bound by destructive capability
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But DS ain't High 3-A is the argument. Nobody is saying Death Thrust isn't stronger.
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I wouldn't say that.
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Which claims? If you are talking Lucks sensing the best feats I can find for his sensing in terms of distance is in Chapter 165 Pages 1-2 when he senses some Elves from a few miles away, this is within the same arc as the Dorthy feat and there seemed to be some limits on his sensing given he didnt sense said elves beforehand.
Unless someone has another greater feat (Which is possible) that would give Lucks sensing a few to several miles of range and which ever end you take thats not enough to truly tell if someones magic is endlessly large.
Do you also want evidence for why I believe its an Outlier? The current highest feats used is 6-B, the only two feats ive heard that are possible tier 3 is this one and the Lucifero “destroying the World” statement possibly meaning universe instead of planet.
I never said “I have no interest in this thread”, how the hell did you get that from me not having particularly strong feelings one way or another for one argument? I even said I was more focused on a different argument regarding its outlier status.
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@Mazdoesstuff he provided proofs, now destroy them with your evidence. Let's end it. Also, if you claim something, you need evidence to support your claim.
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Why not? I think he should be. He had no reason to not destroy it.
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Except that Dante doesn't have universal ap or durability neither did he use anything of such power... Dante simply used gravity to warp dimension slash which is a spatial attack and we all know gravity bends space. Death thrust isn't spatial attack so it wasn't negged. I still don't understand how this relates to death thrust having universal AP?
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Why would I? PIS not being an excuse for every single antifeat isn't the same as PIS not existing at all.
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NOT. MY. ARGUMENT.
I'm arguing that when a past feat is far higher than future feats and none of them have shown to be on the same level as the previous it starts to seem like the prior feat is an outlier or just being outright misinterpreted.
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Endless means "Without end or seemingly without end." The context provided shows why the without end is justified.
Lucifero has no such feats of being 6-C
It couldn't contain the dreams of Dorothy and Reve so it collapsed.... They literally destroyed the realm with their dreams...
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Not our Dante. They have their own Dante.. who is a full demon.. and a villain.
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Well I'd argue DB has more antifeats but go ahead. List off some BC antifeats for us.
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But the same argument could then just be used for Lucifero and demon licht. Feat wise, Lucifero has no comparable feats but still scales to it.
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My original question was "Does Black Clover have any other Universal feats", and I noticed that nobody was able to answer that one.
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Lucifero beat Dorothy....
Demon Licht was literally gonna destroy the kingdom what are u talking about??
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That would be internal scaling between characters I believe. Not actual feats of destruction as @BlackAstaSenpai I think means.
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The context shows that it is the latter definition. The "seemingly without end" because from luck's point of view and his sensory capabilities there is no end.
The dream world couldn't contain the dreams of two people... It's the nature and rule of the dream world to contain only one individuals dreams so it collapsed. It's not an application of combat capabilities or AP
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That's circular reasoning.
Dimension Slash Cuts space but what about it is said to BE space. The fact that Dimension Slash, a hax, was negged by Singularity, and Death Thrust, pure power, is even more impressive. We see that the black holes in Black Clover absorb or warp MORE than just space. They consume other magics as well. yet it didn't do anything to Death Thrust. Death Thrust > Dimension Slash.
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DB? Try every other verse that has a Tier 3 or 2 feat. Marvel, DC, GOW, DMC, Bayonetta, DOOM, etc.
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Well have you ever considered that no one has a problem with that line of logic?
DivineAura44
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DB is the one that I used for the Broly argument, so I figured to stay consistent.
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"I'm arguing that when a past feat is far higher than future feats and none of them have shown to be on the same level as the previous it starts to seem like the prior feat is an outlier or just being outright misinterpreted."
Demon Licht's 6-C calc scales above any singular "FEAT" that Lucifero has performed. Lucifero's presence destroyed a castle. This is an example of past feat being far higher than future feats, yet the 6-C is accepted. That's what I'm saying.
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(Btw in my last post I originally forgot to add the links to the two pages but I have fixed that)
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You want anti-feats? DC and Marvel are the cornerstone and big daddies of that. Just look at the recent "infinite-sized universe" CRTs taking place for Marvel and DC
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Honestly I feel bad for Marvel and DC. Not even the company or supporters. The verse itself. They can't catch a break.
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If you want to include calcs then yeah ig but feats overall no and that's what I'm talking about.
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I never said it was space. I said it was a spatial attack which was warped by Dante. Hence yami needed something else to be more effective. Anyways it still doesn't prove the former or the latter is universal in anyway
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Havn't other characters narratively weaker then Lucifero preformed tier 6 feats? Also tbf 6-C is a far smaller jump then High 3-A
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Let me link it, it's a fascinating thread ngl, and it is the same as this.
- https://vsbattles.com/threads/infinite-sized-dc-comics-universes.137199/ — Thread
- https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Ehnkr2beboh/Infinite_Sized_DC_Universe_Statements — Blog where all statements are presented
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Marvel's doing quite fine for itself actually. DC, not so much. But that'll change. Hopefully.
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What do you mean prove? Dimensional Slash is a spatial-cutting attack, meaning that it severed space, such as against Glamour World. Severing space is not a DC feat, such as fragmentation, pulverization, et cetera. As there is no destructive value for the feat, it isn’t High 3-A.
There’s a reason why we don’t list Dimension Slash as a higher for AP, but we do for Death Thrust
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I wonder... Since when is broly not destroying a universe an anti feat when he fought and bullied two characters with universal+ Level of AP and durability. 3 characters in fact if we include frieza but frieza would most likely be 3-A
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