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It still doesn't rule it out though, right?
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High-Universal Black Clover
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DivineAura44
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??? This is literally irrelevant to my statement, and it gives the idea you didn’t read my statement.
Death Thrust not being hax is irrelevant, and same with it scaling above dimension slash, because it doesn’t MEAN ANYTHING. Dimension Slash ISNT High 3-A
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I never claimed it can't be, I claimed that there's 0 proof for it being infinite. Y'all keep constantly misinterpreting what I was saying
DivineAura44
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The OP gives a reason for why Luck apparently is reliable.
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So you are just being disingenuous??
This thread is clearly talking about SIZE of a realm.
If "size" is an attribute or property of the the realm it can be finite or infinite.
When you talk about circle...and how it has no beginning or an end..... its NOT TALKING ABOUT SIZE.... you are referring to completely different attribute about said shape.
So stop mischaracterizing both.
A single object can have 500 different attributes out of which some can be infinite while others are fiinite.
Plenty of characters in this site have infinite AP without having infinite size or infinite speed.
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See, the logic with that is, you could apply this to literally any feat in fiction out there. NARRATIVE AND BALANCING ARE A THING for a good reason.
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While I don’t care much about the Endless vs Infinite debate im still uncertain if what the OP provided is enough to actually prove it is Endless in the first place as its just a character with really good senses, but not the ability to sense something of infinite or endless size afaik, so it could mean its endless but it could legitimately mean its simply bigger then Luck can sense. I am also uncertain how the conversation between Magna, Luck and the Girl make it genuinely endless as well.
Perhaps you guys disagree with me that the Endless is legit which I won’t fight super hard on as my main gripe is still that its a huge outlier and inconsistent with the rest of the story and feats.
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Tldr; Argument is that a place being called ”endless” is enough for High 3-A (along with some other supporting evidence that doesnt really prove H3-A) when it really isn’t.
I dont really care if it gets a possible rating due to the ambigious nature of “endless” but if it does then thats a W for a diff character who i wont name.
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Anyways this thread is literally hilarious, both the premise and the fact that it devolved into a dozen people arguing on the definition of “endless”
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It's not a limiting feat though.
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No, I was using the analogy of a circle to show that endless doesn't necessairly mean infinite in size. I was not using it in reference to the realm but to the definition of the word endless itself. Please reread what I was saying
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Like I said, only contradictions within the source material or it being hyperbole can debunk it being that big. From what you're stating, it seems to be the problem of the former.
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Explain
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Bruh, guys he literally doesn't want to prove but also don't want to show evidence. I am done. He wants OP pieces of evidence, but when we do reverse question, he refuses to show any pieces of evidence. Less interest does not justify that your claim is solid. No, mate, we don't play like this.
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TFW the god tier of the verse would only be capable of “destroying the world” while fully manifested, the strongest feats in the series are only Tier 6, but someone like Dorothy can somehow create High 3-A realms like they’re nothing
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I agree. That's why I wouldn't use it as the sole measuring stick of measuring the consistency, but it is a factor.
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And I keep saying its a completely and utterly irrelevant thing to bring up here.
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Oh damn, does it really prove that it can't be stronger than that? Are there any limits? Is that regulation?
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Pause is this with just them awakening from their non manifested state, or when they actually attack.
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Yes it is. For example if Yami used Dimension Slash in the physical world and it did the same thing, collapsing the space of the infinite universe and destroying it, then he would be High 3-A. He did this, but in GLamour World. And Death Thrust, a non-hax, scales above Dimension Slash.
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It shouldn't be limited to country level. The country level calc stems from Demon Licht being able to destroy the country. But, it was actually only the aftershocks of his attack, after the Wizard King countered his spell, that was going to destroy it.
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Yami's Dimension Slash destroyed and Infinite World, and Death Thrust scales above Dimension Slash.
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I honestly wouldn't use it for anything unless it violates the narrative and every single aspect of the verse's powerscaling chain. Read my reply to Clover regarding this.
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It was relevant then, as it was an analogy showing why the word "endless" and "infinite" are not full 100% synonyms with the exact same definitions
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HE WOULDNT BE HIGH 3-A BECAUSE HE DOESNT SCALE TO HAX
The feat is irrelevant because it doesn’t mean anything
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People need to drop this dumbass "Endless" argument. Infinite literally means without end. If I have to explain why that's synonymous with endless, something's wrong. The only refutation so far is whether or not this is an outlier. Literally just cluttering the thread with bs.
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Yami's dimension slash is hax, and how does the death thrust scale above the dimension slash?
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This is nice and all but it ultimately holds no weight contextually speaking.
1. There's no actual proof it's infinite. By the looks of your OP, this entire CRT depends on you proving Glamour World is Infinite sized which isn't in the OP apart from shoddy reasoning from Luck. You say Luck couldn't sense anything but again at best speaks for Luck's sensory range. Do you have any proof Luck can sense throughout the Earth never mind around High Universal Range.
His analysis isn't credible in the slightest, I don't see why you would even think it is.
We have several instances in fiction with words like Infinite or Endless being thrown around which at the end of it is just X Character incapable of measuring how Y character is. I'll probably get heat for drawing examples but Naruto is a perfect example of this, Kurama claiming Juubi's chakra was immeasurable/infinite whereas it's just case of him being unable to fathom Juubi's energy.
2. I don't know why you think Elf Dorothy's statement has a play in this, especially when it's obvious the statement is about her possessing Limited Reality Manip in Glamour world, no inclination of its size being High Universal.
My two cents
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Dante Negged Yami's Dimension Slash. So Yami needed a spell that was pure power. So he condensed his mana and launched it at Dante, and it straight up blew a hole through him while Dimension Slash was straight up negged.
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You didn't provide context nor evidence, instead you provided nothing but ambiguity and speculation from dialogue
I am not assuming anything... I'm simply saying endless is not evident enough to prove actually infinity. And luck saying it's endless goes in line with the definition of endless which means "seemingly having no end" not that You're completely knowledgeable on the true nature of what you're looking but from what you can perceive there is no end so hence it is endless. And magna said that's impossible. I see no implactions of infinity here
Reve said said the "impossible is possible" how does that imply Infinity? You have nothing but speculations
I'd like to see where her combat capabilities caused the glamour world to collapse. And again are you implying Tami's death thrust has universal AP?
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What? What evidence should I show im primarily using evidence on the wiki, im simply bringing up my uncertainty with how legitimate Lucks claim its endless is.
Never said it does just said if you guys disagree I wont argue it.
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Jesus christ. Okay there are three simultaneous questions going on rn
1. Who / Will scale to this?
2. Endless vs Infinite (and the actual scaling)
3. Luck as a source of info
How about we deal with the most pertinent issue first, and then get to the rest rather then people making a mess of this thread. So can we discuss the ACTUAL scale for this feat so we can universally agree to wherever this will scale to before going to questions that arent relevant before we find that out.
1. Who / Will scale to this?
2. Endless vs Infinite (and the actual scaling)
3. Luck as a source of info
How about we deal with the most pertinent issue first, and then get to the rest rather then people making a mess of this thread. So can we discuss the ACTUAL scale for this feat so we can universally agree to wherever this will scale to before going to questions that arent relevant before we find that out.
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"only be capable" is setting a limit on him when he could arguably do it casually.
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