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It's their natural moves. Making them a different key is like restricting a gun from shooting because it has higher attack potency that wayI'm still confused, if lucario, and all other pokemon have 4x ap boost, shouldn't that be listed on the profiles keys and AP?
Like I said, Xiao has no reason not to attack Lucario if he's just buffing and debuffing, so it would be a pretty bad idea for Lucario to just buff up while taking hits from someone with higher AP at the same time, although that would also depend on how long it takes for Swords Dance and Agility to be used.First off, Lucario can buff himself to hell.
Speed amps are restricted in this tournament but ap buffs aren't whic means Lucario can make himself 4x stronger than he already is.
What is Xiao's mask buff? Cause i doubts it's gonna reach Lucario's level
Lucario has amazing debuffs which could cause issues for Xiao who has 1.3 gt compared to Lucario's 3.1 as the debuffs can cut his defense in half multiple times.
Lucario's senses which let him predict attacks will ease his fight as Xiao is indeed more skilled, but Lucario's attacks will break through Xiao's with is and if Lucario gets in trouble he could keep his distance and abuse it as he has hundreds/kilometers range compared to Xiao's dozens of meters.
Lucario can also just heal himself if necessary.
But it straight up boosts their ap to 16 gigatons, it should be listed on their key/ap, no?It's their natural moves. Making them a different key is like restricting a gun from shooting because it has higher attack potency that way
Agility happens mid action but it is restricted here.Like I said, Xiao has no reason not to attack Lucario if he's just buffing and debuffing, so it would be a pretty bad idea for Lucario to just buff up while taking hits from someone with higher AP at the same time, although that would also depend on how long it takes for Swords Dance and Agility to be used.
It's not for all Pokemon, it's because of moves like Swords Dance and Nasty Plot, which increases AP by 100% per use, up to a 300% attack or special attack bonus, aka a 4 times amp.I'm still confused, if lucario, and all other pokemon have 4x ap boost, shouldn't that be listed on the profiles keys and AP?
Yeah I know, those are just the main ones that would really help Lucario here.Agility happens mid action but it is restricted here.
Swords dance isn't the only thing that Lucario can do, he can also bulk up which is basically him flexing his muscles real hard and he can use calm mind which is a momentary attack which boosts two stats at once.
Swords dance summons intangible swords around him which at the same time boosts his attack
Basically, base Xiao upscales from that feat, then he has his spear which has even higher AP then he does at base, and then his Masked form which gives a massive AP increase (108% amp, and every 3 seconds he's in the state, he gains 5% more AP, up to 25% bonus damage).How does Xiao have the AP advantage despite how he is only 1.3 gigatons? Is this from a quicker buff?
Also, Lucario can just spam nerfing his stats while buffing itself, not to mention getting a speed amp up to 4x.
Does Xiao have anything buffing his speed to keep up with Lucario? If so, what is the amp multiplier?
Well that's what the other Lucario rep said so i took his word for it so eh, but still Lucario would not have an easy time trying to buff and debuff against Xiao.Agility is not banned as it has be used up to 6 times to achieve 4x, with a 50% increase every use, not to mention this tourney only allows speed amps <4x for it to be allowed, so it fits in. Also, it gives Lucario more attacks to do before his opponent can attack.
Lucario can use attacks to buff like meteor mash, iron claws, and power up punch or debuff Rock Smash, shadow ball, and crunch. Anyway what's the speed buff for extreme speed.Well that's what the other Lucario rep said so i took his word for it so eh, but still Lucario would not have an easy time trying to buff and debuff against Xiao.
Amps ain't haxAmps are hax and shit that's too op is still considered. Lucario can amp his stats by 4x, can boost his own speed AND can debuff the opponent, from what you've said in the other thread he can make your defense half which would literally make him one shot anybody here
Well bring it up to the organizer i guess.The problem is that, it won't be a High 7-A match.
After even a single buff, Lucario's AP will become 6-C. IIRC, in another match, we've already restricted 6-C attacks, even if they aren't in a different key.
Lucario simply buffing will make every single attack 6-C.
That's only after a single buff, since the cap is 4x, he'd become around 12~ gigatons.
Of course, if people are fine with that, then I can't really argue against it. But basically, this won't be a High 7-A vs High 7-A match.
Bro what kinda logic is that, Low hax is clearly there to make the tournament balanced. If an amp or multiple amps makes a character too broken that character is subjected to be kicked out of the tournament.Amps ain't hax
Amps are amps
Hax as you can see it doesn't fit the definition it doesn't ignore their stats it changes your stats or lower the opponents stats to a degree based on the opponents stats.Amps are hax and shit that's too op is still considered. Lucario can amp his stats by 4x, can boost his own speed AND can debuff the opponent, from what you've said in the other thread he can make your defense half which would literally make him one shot anybody here
yeah but if you add all the shit he has other than amps + the amps themselves he becomes wayy too broken.Tbf, the only problem here are the amps. Everything else seems to be manageable.
With how massive the skill difference is, those attacks won't land without Mind Reader, and Vacuum Wave is stated to be so fast that it can attack the oppenent before they can think or react, and Extreme Speed is faster then that pretty much, no clear number though.Lucario can use attacks to buff like meteor mash, iron claws, and power up punch or debuff Rock Smash, shadow ball, and crunch. Anyway what's the speed buff for extreme speed.
Surprising none of those matter if he just stands there taking hits from someone who has higher AP without Lucario buffing, those still have a casting time exposing him, but agility should be restricted, that im not arguing with, also Lucario's precog is more so sensing then actual precog, so he isn't going to start predicting attacks or something.He halves the opponent's defense, Speed amps to whatever the maximum is for the tourney, Amp his AP by 4x, And has precog
Uh no? He isn't just standing wdym, they got equal speed. Some of them doesn't, from what I've heard only his some of his speed amps are but you can correct me on that, If he can amp his strength by 4x he can just go to town with xiao by then, he doesn't even need the other speeds amp he has. if he can amp his strength to 4x and amp his speed once he'll already be faster and way stronger than xiao, plus he can halve the defense of xiao as well. And btw they are starting 4 kilometers off of each otherSurprising none of those matter if he just stands there taking hits from someone who has higher AP without Lucario buffing, those still have a casting time exposing him, but agility should be restricted, that im not arguing with, also Lucario's precog is more so sensing then actual precog, so he isn't going to start predicting attacks or something.
I think the complaint is for the tournament overall. Though I guess it won't matter if Xiao beats him here.Debating if his amps are to powerful? I've already made my argument that Lucario's amps won't help him here, so restricting them won't really do anything
Well nvm he would get like 3 buffs up before Xiao closes in, restrict them if they're that far apart, also from me trying to find things on these amps, Agility is the only one where he can move while using, the others require him to do a dance or meditate for an example, not like it matters since it should be restricted anyways but still.And btw they are starting 4 kilometers off of each other