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Hax Layer Evaluation Thread

Sdjlakjh said:
Why would I need to prove it? Logically, if a character needed multiple essences just to possess someone even though they could possess usually for one only, it would imply that said character was amplifying it's possesion ability. Especially when said character was able shown able to resist possesion mid way process
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Could also be just in case.
 
@Sdjlakjh because that's literally the standards for layered hax here. You need to prove that the layered hax works like this in the verse where someone can resist a weaker form of possession (and by resist I mean he literally wasn't affected by it) and she had to exert more power for this. If you can't prove it then it doesn't count as layered hax in this site.

@DavidTPPM sounds like sealing to me.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Sdjlakjh because that's literally the standards for layered hax here. You need to prove that the layered hax works like this in the verse where someone can resist a weaker form of possession (and by resist I mean he literally wasn't affected by it) and she had to exert more power for this. If you can't prove it then it doesn't count as layered hax in this site.
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Can you show me the layer rules then?
 
Pedonar said:
It counts as resistance ; he was originally human but got turned into zombie

And by controlling his body he can revert the effect of any biological change like nothing happened


his cells cant be controlled/used unless if the mc himself allow it

Also if point 1&2 is not valid, 3 rd point should be enough for 1 layer
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Bump
 
In point 2, someone implies you couldn't find his genes without his permission, which would be resistance to information analysis, by they don't actually say it.
 
Makai641001 said:
Fodder demons < Ark´s deconstruction < High ranking demons (1 layer) < Wrath of Enlil < 2c Estarossa (2 layers) < 10 commandments = 50% DK < TM Meliodas (3 layers)
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You need to post scans of 10 commandments resisting a deconstruction attack that estarossa got deconstructed by. That's how layers work. Also estarossa should scale to no one. Not only did he have godess physiology as wrath of enlil is specifically most potent against demons than goddesses. Finally you still have to drop scans for everything else. You just added resistance to the attacks and slapped layers on it.

This is how it should go realistically with scans.

fodder demons<ark's deconstruction (scan for it) <high ranking demons (scans for it) - baseline resistance =50% DK< TM meliodas-1layer
fodder demons< ark's deconstruction (scan for it) < high ranking demons (scans for it) - baseline resistance < Wrath of enel (scans for it) - 1layer <2c estarossa( scans for it)- 1 layer of resistance

scaling a half angel half demon to or below the 10 commandments just makes absolutely no sense
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Makai641001 Can you post the scans for the Estarossa layers?
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Yeah my bad i litteraly fell asleep writing This message lol

Fodder demons get deconstructed by Ark

High ranking demons resist Ark

More powerful Goddess Ark can deconstruct High ranking demons

Wrath of Enlil can affect 1c Estarossa (High ranking demon physiology)

2c Estarossa resisted using Jikai

10 commandments = 50% DK < TM Meliodas deconstruction

karo_senpaii said:
You need to post scans of 10 commandments resisting a deconstruction attack that estarossa got deconstructed by. That's how layers work. Also estarossa should scale to no one. Not only did he have godess physiology
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Estarossa has high ranking demon physiology.

karo_senpaii said:
as wrath of enlil is specifically most potent against demons than goddesses.
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It’s not more potent against demons it Just destroy on a molecular (even possibly atomic lvl in the raws) and demons aren’t supposed to survive this
karo_senpaii said:
Finally you still have to drop scans for everything else. You just added resistance to the attacks and slapped layers on it.
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I dropped them
karo_senpaii said:
This is how it should go realistically with scans.

fodder demons<ark's deconstruction (scan for it) <high ranking demons (scans for it) - baseline resistance =50% DK< TM meliodas-1layer
fodder demons< ark's deconstruction (scan for it) < high ranking demons (scans for it) - baseline resistance < Wrath of enel (scans for it) - 1layer <2c estarossa( scans for it)- 1 layer of resistance

scaling a half angel half demon to or below the 10 commandments just makes absolutely no sense
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He has demon physiology.
 
Makai641001 said:
Yeah my bad i litteraly fell asleep writing This message lol

Fodder demons get deconstructed by Ark

High ranking demons resist Ark

More powerful Goddess Ark can deconstruct High ranking demons

Wrath of Enlil can affect 1c Estarossa (High ranking demon physiology)

2c Estarossa resisted using Jikai

10 commandments = 50% DK < TM Meliodas deconstruction


Estarossa has high ranking demon physiology.


It’s not more potent against demons it Just destroy on a molecular (even possibly atomic lvl in the raws) and demons aren’t supposed to survive this

I dropped them

He has demon physiology.
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It does not matter. He has goddess and demon physciology. You can't just simply tie his resistance to his demon side and call it a day. I'm not saying estarossa doesn't scale. I'm saying there is no justification for the commandments nor anyone else scaling to him as he alone has the combined physciology of both clans. At best tristan can scale that's all
 
karo_senpaii said:
It does not matter. He has goddess and demon physciology.
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Look at his page…
karo_senpaii said:
You can't just simply tie his resistance to his demon side and call it a day. I'm not saying estarossa doesn't scale. I'm saying there is no justification for the commandments nor anyone else scaling to him as he alone has the combined physciology of both clans. At best tristan can scale that's all
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He lost his goddess physiology and became a demon.

Here is him producing darkness
Here is him using Demon Marks

He is a demon and scale to every high ranking demon in base.

Also wrath of enlil is deconstruction to anybody demons are weak to light not tornados, lightnings and water…
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Makai641001 Can you post the scans for the Estarossa layers?
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So, how many layers of resistance to deconstruction/deconstruction would that be ?

Fodder demons < Fodder goddesses ark (Base decon) < High ranking demons (base resistance) < High ranking goddesses Ark (1 layer) < Wrath of Enlil (higher but still layer 1) < 2c Estarossa (1 layer) < 50% DK = 10 commandments < Meliodas TM (2 layers)

I gave the scans in the last messages

Baseline resistance for high ranking demons
1 Layer for demons on par or superior to 2c Estarossa

Baseline deconstruction for fodder goddesses
1 layer for high ranking goddesses
2 Layers for TM Meliodas

Is it okay With you ?
 
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Yo, i also thought about resistance to Poison Manipulation/Status Effect Inducement/Disease Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement and Mind Manipulation in NNT/4KOTA

Lmk what y’all think

Layers:
Fairy realm < low ranking fairies and Mullein users < Makai miasma < low ranking demons < indura poison < High ranking fairies < Meliodas miasma < AM Meli and demons >= to him resistances < Behemoth miasma < Percival magic

Baseline poison/disease manip/Status effect inducement for Fairy realm
1 layer for Makai miasma and low ranking demons miasma
2 layers for indura poison
3 layers for AM Meliodas miasma and demons >=
4 layers for Behemoth and demons >=

Baseline resistance to poison/disease manip/Status effect inducement for Low ranking fairies and Mullein users
1 layer for low ranking demons
2 layers for High ranking fairies
3 layers for AM Meliodas and demons >=
4 layers for Behemoth and demons >=
5 layers for Percival’s magic protection

Baseline resistance to corrosion inducement and Mind Manip for low ranking demons
1 layer for Behemoth and demons >= him
2 Layers for Percival magic

Baseline corrosion inducement and mind manip for low ranking demons
1 Layer for Behemoth and demons >= him
2 layers for Percival magic
 
Can dimensional travel be layered? One of the characters was able to travel between dimensions despite the system’s restriction, which prevents such abilities from working. In the same chapter, it was clearly mentioned that abilities that allows travel between dimensions will not work and it was only possible due to his high status
 
Pedonar said:
Can dimensional travel be layered?
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This is not a ability that can be resisted.
Pedonar said:
One of the characters was able to travel between dimensions despite the system’s restriction, which prevents such abilities from working. In the same chapter, it was clearly mentioned that abilities that allows travel between dimensions will not work and it was only possible due to his high status
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It just means that the character in question have "resistance to law manipulation and power nullification", or maybe "acausality type 4" (depending on the relationship of the system with causality).
 
CodeCCLL said:
This is not a ability that can be resisted.
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CodeCCLL said:
It just means that the character in question have "resistance to law manipulation and power nullification", or maybe "acausality type 4" (depending on the relationship of the system with causality).
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I guess resistance to law manipulation will work.

I was asking because some characters in Wiki can restrict this ability, for example, Characters from Warhammer who can use Tesseract Labyrinths. This device can seal a character into a pocket dimension that doesn't allow anyone to leave, even by using any abilities related to dimensional travel. So I thought maybe it could be layered in this case.
 
first time trying this but

-Mister Chief is an invisible monster and monsters, the Power Rangers and the command center can all see her (Baseline)

-Now a new character called the Phantom Ranger appears and his whole thing is being invisible, monsters, the command center and the Rangers cannot see him (The only way is via a weakness that his invisibility has when he is moving)

which is also boosted by his Space-Ship also capable of turning invisible without the Rangers being able to see it and the Command Center being unable to detect it
(1 layer)

Phantom Rangers gets 1 layer of invisibility
 
Welp time to try this again
Layers for Chaos Energy for Archie Sonic
1 Ring can block out the Iron Queen's corruption
However when Iron Queen empowered her staff with 2 Rings, she was able to corrupt Monkey Kong (1 Layer)
It takes at least enough Rings to cover the exterior of the Death Egg to nearly overcome the Power of 1 Emerald (Alot of layers for 1 Pre-Harmony Chaos Emerald, At least a couple hundred to thousands, as a single Power Ring is smaller then Sonic, and the Death Egg is comparable to an Island in size)
One ring is stated to have near limitless energy, however singular Emeralds are said to have Infinite energy (Infinite Layers???)
Power Rings are a byproduct of The Chaos Emeralds, so they should work the same (More Chaos Emeralds equals more layers, and likely multiple layers at that)
During The Great Harmony, a crap load of Chaos Emeralds were gathered in the Zone of Silence, and shaped by Feist into the current 7 (even more layers)
The Power granted by 7 Emeralds combined are considered to have No Limits in comparison to 1 (even more)
additionally it's also stated nothing can match chaos energy, expect more of it
 
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First time doing this so there may be errors but I'll try anyway, mind hax layers for the characters from FOX's X-Men:
Silverfox < Wolverine/Sabretooth < Suppressed Jean Grey < Professor X < Jason Stryker < Storm < Professor X with Cerebro < Magneto's Helmet ≤ Jean Grey < Heightened Professor X < Phoenix Jean Grey
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  1. Silverfox can mind control with her touch
  2. Wolverine and Sabretooth are unaffected by Silverfox's touch
  3. A suppressed and young Jean Grey was able to read Wolverine's mind and manipulate his memories, and Professor X struggled to access her mind while suffering pain
  4. Professor X suppressed Jean Grey's powers by creating psychic barriers, can casually read Wolverine's mind while his power was suppressed and mind control Sabretooth
  5. Jason Stryker can access Professor X's mind to create illusions, being unable to defend himself or counterattack with his telepathy
  6. Storm is unaffected by the telepathy and illusions of Professor X and Jason Stryker
  7. Professor X's telepathic abilities are magnified while using Cerebro, being able to damage, and eventually kill, Storm's mind
  8. Magneto while wearing his helmet was unaffected by Cerebro's psychic wave
  9. While manifesting her power, Jean Grey created a field around her thoughts unlike anything Professor X has ever encountered (despite knowing about Storm's resistance and Magneto's helmet), being unable to penetrate it. I don't know if that would put Jean a layer above the helmet or just comparable to it
  10. During their battle, Jean Grey was heightening Professor X's telepathy to an unimaginable extent, having a mental battle where they had to overcome each other's psychic defenses
  11. As the Phoenix, Jean Grey gets stronger and stronger as she unleashes her power, so Professor X was ultimately unable to stop her with his heightened telepathy
 
@Divini ooks fine

@RoTt35 seems like 4 layers at best looking at the scaling. The telepathy amp and Jean getting stronger would need to be backed up by bypassing resistances she previously couldn't overpower.

@Brogeefrong Not seeing infinite layers here, the 2 rings stuff helps with layers but infinite energy isn't gonna help, especially if a single ring is stated to be near limitless to begin with.

@Makai641001 looks fine I guess
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Brogeefrong Not seeing infinite layers here, the 2 rings stuff helps with layers but infinite energy isn't gonna help, especially if a single ring is stated to be near limitless to begin with.
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Well if infinite layers doesnt work, it should still be very high into layers.
Since
2 Rings > 1
1 Pre-Harmony Chaos Emerald > Hundreds to Thousands of Rings
1 Post-Harmony Chaos Emerald > Hundreds of Thousands of Pre-Harmony Chaos Emeralds
7 Emeralds > 1 Emerald
 
@Brogeefrong not exactly because you’re using scans that are just making someone invulnerable to different kinds of attacks on top of physical prowess being increased as an example of bypassing layers, which doesn’t work. You’re better off actually showing feats of bypassing resistance here.
 
Theglassman12 said:
@Brogeefrong not exactly because you’re using scans that are just making someone invulnerable to different kinds of attacks on top of physical prowess being increased as an example of bypassing layers, which doesn’t work. You’re better off actually showing feats of bypassing resistance here.
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For the Death Egg scan, it's more to show a single Emerald's power is on par with a ring quantity of that size, which should be able to bypass a lower amount of rings
 
It’s still referring to physical attacks and not amping one’s hax to a ludicrous degree. Especially when the other scan with the description of the emeralds and rings talks about physical prowess and not hax.
 
Theglassman12 said:
It’s still referring to physical attacks and not amping one’s hax to a ludicrous degree.
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Power rings are a by-product of The Chaos Emerald's, so they should function similar
Theglassman12 said:
Especially when the other scan with the description of the emeralds and rings talks about physical prowess and not hax.
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It says enhancing Physical prowess as one of it's abilities, not it's only use
Also what about the Great Harmony stuff
 
You’re still comparing two completely separate things that have no correlation to one another. One’s Amping someone’s ability to hax others and the other is a physical strength buff, the fact that the most notable thing about the rings and emeralds is an increase of resilience and physical prowess is telling us that it’s more of a physical strength buff rather than bypassing hax a la any china verse ever, whose cultivation just results in bypassing hax of lower cultivators.
 
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