Hajime and Junko AI revision

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

But if we really wanna add these, I think it's possible, as long as we don't scale them to V3 or the AP/Dura feats like fighting Sakura Oogami.

This means, only the abilities are acceptable. Excluding the Shukuchi bs, these talents would be included:

Talent for all sports, conversation building, and music. Which would really not help at all, but maybe deserves its own mention, as we haven't seen a lot of these characters with these talents before.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

This are all Hajime's talent that I managed to find. Just in case we missed something

• Affluent Progeny
• Animator
• Analyst
• Baseball star
• Blacksmith
• Biker Gang Leader
• Bodyguard
• Botanist
• Boxer
• Breeder
• Clairvoyant
• Confectioner
• Cook
• Detective
• Fanfic Creator
• Farmer
• Fashionista
• Gambler
• Gamer
• Gymnast
• Housekeeper
• Imposter
• Lucky Student
• Martial Artist
• Make-up Artist
• Mechanic
• Moral Compass or Hall Monitor Prefect
• Multiple Birth Sibling
• Serial Killer
• Musician
• Neurologist
• Nurse
• Pharmacist
• Photographer
• Physicist
• Idol
• Prince
• Programmer
• Pyrotechnician
• Secret Agent
• Secretary
• Soldier
• Student Council President
• Swimmer
• Swordsman
• Team Manager or Coach
• Therapist
• Traditional Dancer
• Wrestler
• Writing Prodigy
• Yakuza

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Exclude Multiple Birth. He has no twins.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Future Foundatio

• Make-up Artist
• Elite Task Force
• Discus Thrower
• Falconer
• Street Performer
• Nailist
• Marksman
• Street Fighter
• Yo-yoer
• Archer
• Judo Master
• Shougi player

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

He should have Weapon Creation (As the Ultimate Blacksmith and Mechanic), Acrobatics (As the Ultimate Gymnast)

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

• Manager
• Vice President
• Bodyguard

Other Medias (Not including V3)

• Hitman
• Surgeon
• Karate Master
• Rock Climber
• Groomer
• Bassist
• Gourmet
• Weather Forecaster
• Science Fiction Writer
• Light Novelist
• Absentee Club Member
• Charcoal Burner
• Bear Hunter
• Candlemaker

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

It's also mentioned that Sakura is talented at Jujutsu and Aikido.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

He should have Weapon Creation (As the Ultimate Blacksmith and Mechanic), Acrobatics (As the Ultimate Gymnast)

Okay.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Man I think there are few characters in this wiki who can outskill Hajime if he has all this stuffs. Nit only in fighting but also outside of it

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Only few? I expected a lot, considering how many pages the wiki has.

Only in terms of skill right?

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Yes only in skill

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Who would do it though.

I think 99%, he outskills human characters, definitely.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Also I think Hajime's resistance is lacking like he should have resistant to madness manipulation I think because he didnt broke down to madness during the worst tragedy. He just observed and I think he should be somewhat resistant to empathic manip. Not sure tho

Maybe. Or since he knows how it works, he may have found ways to not get affected, instead of resistance maybe, like talents that help him stay calm or he just lack emotions to panic.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Yeah I think making Hajime fall into despair in a state of madness is not possible.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Also he should have Corruption (dunno what type maybe type 1) due to Ultimate Despair

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Also Preparation and Genius Intelligence in Izuru Key

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Type 1 is natural tho right?

Wouldn't it be through artificial means or psychology and just affecting the brain by one's actions?

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Ah, nevermind, I read it properly and maybe it can fit.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Wouldn't Hajimeme's Corruption apply in NWP, through Despair Disease, type 2 or 3 maybe.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I'm not sure about this but I think he should have all types when I read all the types description

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Well, can you tell me in detail in what fits to be for each types, and which keys do they belong.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

All of that is still there but reworded. Status effect is removed because what he is doing is not just slapping a status but causing people to faint due to songs. Illusion creation isn't there because he makes no illusions.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Technology Manipulation As the Ultimate Programmer, the Ultimate Mechanic and having the same talents as the creators of the Neo World Program, should have complex understanding and mastery of the aspects of the technology in the verse, as such, the technology and mechanics are so complex that even the folks at NASA can't recreate or even comprehend it

That is by the definition of technology manip not it. Being able to use technology does not make you a technopath.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Status Effect change to Paralysis then.

How about that?

And illusion creation seems to fit with the hallucination caused by the videos he creates

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I see then we can remove it. We can also use the Composite Human profile as guide to what Hajime is missing at least some of them

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

That is by the definition of technology manip not it. Being able to use technology does not make you a technopath.

I think maybe limited-technology is still fine.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Status Effect change to Paralysis then.
How about that?

And illusion creation seems to fit with the hallucination caused by the videos he creates

Well we can specify that at least. Maybe put it like limited Illusion creation

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Can you guys not just get overhyped here?

No, unless they add a feat or ability those ultimates don't deserve to be mentioned. They'll just add to the obnoxious wall of text.

Stacking useless abilities is unneeded. The "knows every martial arts ever" already covers things like acrobatics, and he already has weapon creation.

Throwing in corruption for no reason is a no. It's covered by madness Manipulation, no need to repeat it over and over.

Honestly, things he doesn't use are normal things already covered by "knows everything that humans knew". So don't try to just stack abilities for no reason there.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

Never said will add em, I just went on with MrDr's topic.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Except the ones you said you would add? The statement applies for most abilities you guys listed.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

I don't think you did read it properly to get the context.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Well I'm just listing the possible abilities he should have here. But he should have limited technology manipulation in his izuru because Composite Human has it and there's no repeating words in that.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Humans know how to cook. But do they know how to cook the Ultimate dish?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Then please tell me how I missed it.

Because even the abilities you wanted to add back are not needed, and making a different key or much of anything extra for all that stuff would still be useless because he wouldn't gain anything new from them. Even things in V3 are not applicable or useful to him.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

After he said if adding V3 is fine or not.

I said I didn't support it, but instead, if something similar were to be done, it would be UTDP. In what sense did I say that it is needed to be added?

"But if we really wanna add these".

and

"These are in UTDP only, so these are feats that are acceptable but iffy due to the scaling rules we just had."

I even added statements just to make sure that I definitely imply that they are shaky and will not be added, and it might also go against V3 scaling rules.

And, I also do not support the scaling of V3 Saga to the original Saga, that is definite.

But yes, that was borderline derail, so my bad.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

There's wrong in the tierings. Chiaki Nanami is Small Building level in AP but the calc said it's street level so their tier should be 9-C (I was shooked when I see building level Chiaki).

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

Pretty sure it's the explosion they scale to.

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

But how? That seems far too stretched. That was just a gag scene and nothing will convince me that Chiaki can hurt characters who can tank building level punches

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

The explosion wasn't a gag scene.

 

[Just_a_Random_Butler]

What makes it a gag scene.