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Gunvolt Revisions discussion thread

Should Gunvolt get a key for during the time between Gunvolt 1 and 2? I didn't add it since the keys were already getting kind of excessive, but it's stated to be Gunvolt's peak in power since Joule is at full power and her soul is fused with him.
 
Nah, it would be the exact same than ASG1 GV, but just a bit more higher stats, but that´s it.
 
I just found something.

At the end of Bloodstained: Curse of The Moon's Nightmare Mode, we see Sumeragi's building. That means that the Bloodstained games and the Gunvolt games likely take place in the same universe. From what little I know of the plot, I'm not entirely sure anyone can scale, though (Demon powers are used in that game while psychic powers are used in Gunvolt). But still, it's very much worth noting.
 
I feel like we can group Base and Anthem Keys together, instead of making an over excessive amount of Keys, we can say "8-C, 8-A with Anthem" instead of having separate keys of each one, yes Anthem provides new abilities, we can just say "___ powers with Anthem" instead of separating with different keys. There should really just be GV1, GV2, and possibly PostRevZonda (if it isn't grouped with GV2) keys
 
Yeah. That's would be a good idea. The thing is I've finally figured out how to calc Tenjian's city freezing feat. The equasions already exist, too, I just have to put in different numbers. Since Tenjian's city freezing feat might be a bit iffy, there would need to be another tier there. Should it be something like "8-C to TBD, 8-A to TB with Anthem" or something like that? The thing is the word "to" leads to some issues. Not to mention the scaling might be a bit tricky.
 
Also, I just remembered that Copen/GV isn't really powered by three Anthems. We could say that the three Anthems each have 1/3rd of the full thing. In the beginning of GV2 the aura he gets from Anthem is the same one that Copen/GV gets from all 3. Lola and Joule (GV2) shouldn't be each a 100x multiplier. So I don't think a PRZonda Key is needed. So for me I would do:

8-C, 8-A with Anthem | 8-A, higher with Anthem

Powers Blah blah, stuff with Anthem | Blah blah, stuff with Anthem, does not have whatever

GV1 | GV2

I think he needs more stamina clarification too

He had infiltrated both Babel and Garden, went through a full boss rush for each of them, then fought the big bad and then Asimov/Copen before he was finally done. All nonstop
 
Yeah, the three anthems thing is false. The power is all from Mytyl, Joule and Lola are just... kinda... there.

Why would Gunvolt 2 be 8-A by default? Joule is depowered.

I suppose Post-Reverie Zonda isn't needed, at least for now.

Once again, I've almost found out the Tenjian feat. 8-C to whatever, 8-A to whatever with Anthem wouldn't fully work.
 
Yeah, so it's just really one Anthem. I say he's 8A there because he went aganist Reverie Zonda and Copen/GV who used the 100fold in base.
 
You mean 8-A throughout all of Gunvolt 2? We'll rediscuss the AP once I finish calcing Tenjian's city freeze. I think I got it now.
 
I wouldn't say ALL of GV2, but for the sake of condensing the amount of keys we have, I think it's fine to make it 8-A. After all we originally scaled GV to 8C because of Nova's transformation, which, like Zonda, was an endgame feat as well
 
Well, now it does. Before it was because Nova blew up Babel because transformation. I still think he should just be 8A for GV2, since he's basically proven to be so multiple times. Though I'd also like to ask what is freezing someone at AbsZ gonna be AP wise
 
I actually figured out Tenjian's feat

So yeah, Hallelujah.

As for the scaling, Tenjian preformed the feat with a mirror shard. This means his feat would scale to everyone who uses a mirrior shard or similar. Those people being Gunvolt 2 Copen and the bosses in the game. This would also scale to GV2 Gunvolt and Zonda, obviously.

As for how the feat scales to Gunvolt 1, that's tricky. Gunvolt likely reached the level he was at during his first fight with Tenjian (When he used the weakened Glaive). This means that Gunvolt 1 probably gets a "possibly".

Due to the sheer number of tiers, I feel like seperate keys for Anthem and Base are still nessisary, though. It would probably go like this for Gunvolt's profile (Assuming the calc gets accepted):

Tier: 8-C, possibly 8-A | 8-A, possibly 7-C | 8-A. 7-C after realizing The Muse's song was in his heart | 7-C

Keys: GV1 | Anthem GV1 | GV2 | Anthem GV2
 
I still don't think we need to have Keys for Anthem. Even if Ten had to use a Mirror Shard for his feat, Gunvolt still beat him in base. So I'd go

8-C, 8-A with Anthem | 8-A (Tenjian Feat), possibly 7-C, 7-C with Anthem

GV1 | GV2
 
Tenjian had to use a mirrior shard, but what I'm saying is Gunvolt 1 characters may or may not scale. Gunvolt during the intro stage shouldn't be too far behind Gunvolt during the rest of the game (Albeit there's a short time skip). Tenjian at that point didn't have a mirrior shard, but was boosted by a weakened glaive. This leads me to give the Gunvolt 1 characters a "possibly" for the 8-A.
 
Right. While the Sumeragi Glavies were made to seal and summon an adept's power, Eden's Grimores are supposed to enhance it with the Shards.

Anyway. I still think that we should not use Anthem Keys, as shown above
 
Yes, but you fight Tenjian in the Intro stage when he used a Glaive. Gibril has fought Jota in canon and Teseo has fought Merak.

The Anthem Keys more or less prevent confusion. Otherwise we'd have to put something like

8-C or 8-A. 8-A or 7-C with Anthem
 
I'd go with that honestly.

If we ultimately decide to use Anthem Keys though, I'd say it could be temporary until we get more concrete feats... I'd still prefer what I had posted above
 
Well, I assume that's all we can do for now. Big changes coming up as soon is the Tenjian thing gets approved. We gotta clarify his stamina too like I said earlier.

On another note. Apparently there were two more hidden 0SP skills for Gunvolt, ShadowStriker (Duplication) and Electroshock (All screen attack in exchange for EP). Should we add those in?
 
From what? EDIT: Wait, I think their from challange stages or something, right? Sure. Sounds good.

Also the insane part of me wants to see if there's any feats in the DOS version of Gunvolt. And yes, there's a DOS version of Gunvolt.

Wait nevermind ShadowStriker and Electroshock are unused
 
Stamina from infiltrating the Garden/Babel, going through a boss rush, fighting the big bad and a secret boss at the end

What's a DOS?

They are unused, should we at least make note of them for later? They may be sure to appear later in the series
 
Got it, though I was reffuring to the skills

Basically a text based DOS Gunvolt was made by IC as a joke.

Yeah, they likely will appear in the future.
 
The calc has been accepted. Here's my plans for the keys (Keys are Gunvolt 1 and Gunvolt 2 respectively unless otherwise specified)

Gunvolt:

Tier: 8-C, possibly 8-A. 8-A, possibly 7-C with Anthem | 8-A. 7-C with Anthem or Joule's song in his heart

Copen:

Tier: 8-C, possibly 8-A | 8-A. 7-C with Anthem.

Zonda:

Tier: Varies. 8-C to 8-A | At least 8-A | 7-C

Keys: Copy selves | True self | Reverie Zonda

Asimov:

Tier: 8-C, possibly 8-A with weapons. 8-A, possibly 7-C with Septima

Gunvolt 1 bosses:

Tier: 8-C, possibly 8-A

Gunvolt 2 bosses:

Tier: 8-C, possibly 8-A | 8-A

Keys: Base | With Muse Shard
 
I think I'm tripping when I say this, but didn't GV fight Copen with a full Anthem in base (and vice versa)?

Doesn't that make them L 7-C in Base?

Edit:

Wait I'm tripping, for GV he did the whole Joule in his heart thing. My b. But what about Copen's case? Though his version of the story doesn't seem to be as Canon does it
 
Copen has a lot of stuff that isn't detailed, like Guilt Sequence, Doppler Destroyer, Stellar Spark, amoungst others, you mind if I add that stuff in?
 
Expanding from the Diavolo vs Gunvolt match, I suggested that GV MAY be able to hurt Stands, since he can attack Lumen in the Nova 1 fight, any opinions?
 
Maybe, we should wait for other people too. In the meantime I should stop being lazy and fix Copen's damn profile
 
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