Gunvolt Revisions discussion thread

[Smashtwig]

Ah, that's a Gunvolt move, not an Asimov move

 

[Bobsican]

I´m sure Asimov does it when he has low health

 

[Smashtwig]

Asimov has never used Crashbolt, ever in his battle

 

[Bobsican]

Well, unlike GV´s Voltaic Chains, you can clearly see in the finishing part that a bunch of bolts that resemble a lot Crashbolt fall at the end

 

[The_Smashor]

That's

A: A move Gunvolt uses in the final boss fight when your playing as Copen

B: Probably not going to be an upgrade from the 100x multiplier Anthem already gives characters

 

[Bobsican]

Oh yeah, I got it mixed up, lol

 

[Smashtwig]

I have no idea how to do this calc stuff, so I'll leave it up to you guys

 

[Smashtwig]

Just saw some of the Stella fight. She uses Gravity-Type attacks to trap Copen, and it actually bypasses Prevasion. This is consistent with at least one other instance of Prevasion being bypassed by grappling moves. I may actually just start a blog about bypassing Prevasion right now... I guess

 

[Smashtwig]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Smashtwig/Prevasion's_Inconsistency

I know I missed some, but I don't know which. Can y'all help?

Also, maybe we should put this on the profiles when it's finished

 

[SomebodyData]

I don't think its inconsistent, just that some enemies he fights have Non-Physical Interaction with certain abilities.

 

[Smashtwig]

I honestly really doubt that. While some attacks, like Jota's SP Skill and Milas's Hydro Zapper do make sense in how they work, things like Gibrel's Iron Maiden and the various electricity attacks doesn't make sense, example being how a puny spark by Blade could bypass Prevasion, but Asimov's Flashfield doesn't. But I guess it would be simpler if Non-Physical Interaction was the explaination

 

[Smashtwig]

So, opinions on GV Petrification Resistance?

I'm pretty sure we are all in agreement that many characters of this verse have Afterimage Creation

As well, for the verse page, maybe we should make a section explaining what a Septima is? Since apparently it's soul based, biological based, and even mind based now. (Might as well just give a verse sympnosis too)

 

[The_Smashor]

Makes sense.

 

[Smashtwig]

Petrification Resistance comes from breaking out of it... So that's addable right?

 

[The_Smashor]

I mean if Cuphead has it, I don't see why Gunvolt can't.

 

[Smashtwig]

Alright then, I don't really have a list of everyone who has Afterimage stuff so...

GV

Zonda

Copen

Asimov

Jota

Gibril

Am I missing people?

 

[The_Smashor]

You arn't missing anyone, I'm prety sure.

Also, should we give Adepts Extrasensory Perception, scaling from Carrera and GV?

 

[Bobsican]

Can you elaborate?

 

[The_Smashor]

Carrera can hear Joule (Normal humans that can't see ghosts can't) and GV can see her when she's a ghost

I forgot to mention them, but Tenjian and Zonda can also see her.

 

[Bobsican]

Well, it seems good then.

 

[Smashtwig]

Uh, I don't think so, Xiao couldn't sense Joule

 

[The_Smashor]

Isn't it not confirmed that Xaio is an Adept? Some non-adepts are part of QUILL, after all.

 

[Smashtwig]

Xiao is 100% Adept from my recollection. I'm pretty sure of it too.

 

[Smashtwig]

However, if I recall, Adepts can sense other Septimal Energy, at least Joule at least (I think? I recall her sensing stuff a lot, and GV did it at least once in MGVBurst). If I recall, Asimov heard Joule's voice too (though I'm not sure about Zeno's case)

 

[The_Smashor]

I mean, there's literally zero reason for Zonda and Tenjian to be able to do it. Not to mention Quinn, who should be on a lower level of Lifewave then Adepts, can see Joule. Lower parts of Lifewave also include Psychics, Mystics and Soothsayers.

 

[Smashtwig]

hm, Zonda and Tenjian did in fact see her, and Quinn's reasoning for being able to see Joule is currently unknown.

For now I would just list Tenjian, Zonda, (Nova?), Carrera, (Zeno?), and Asimov to have ESP.

Who knows, but yeah, Joule should be able to sense other Septimal Energies since I remember her doing it before. So she def has ESP in some form

 

[The_Smashor]

Xiao not being able to see her just seems like a big inconsistancy. But, I checked, and Xiao is indeed an Adept. GV himself says it after the opening stage. This franchise is wierd sometimes.

Also, where does Asimov's ESP come from? I don't remember him seeing Joule.

Would Mighty Gunvolt Burst even be considered canon? I could see it being canon for Mighty No. 9, but the Gunvolt half is kind of inconsistant (But Joule and GV have a Low 2-C feat in it, albeit only in a digital area, so if it is canon I'll be plenty happy)

 

[Smashtwig]

Hm, they emphasize the fact that most can't see Joule in the beginning of GV2... I really dunno anymore. There's so many things that are inconsistent

Before the Asimov fight, he comments on how GV survived after Joule talks, going all "ah so that's you lived blah blah you could have been leader of this world". So it's more like hearing

GVBurst probably isn't canon, just wanted to mention it because it may support the fact that GV can sense other Septimal Energies, and not just Joule, though I remember there was a point where he did it in his own games, don't remember though.

 

[Smashtwig]

So, I'll leave it up to you if you think ESP should be for all adepts, just let us know what the choice is to keep us informed

 

[The_Smashor]

I think I'll just have it on the characters who've shown it, since while Xiao is inconsistant, it does make sense that not all Adepts would be able to see spirits just from Lifewave. Soothsayers, if they're anything like their real life counterparts, can probably see the future in ASG (Exept, you know, for real), yet only one adept has shown this ability in any capacity, that being Desna. While all Adepts likely could learn how to see spirits and the future, not all of them would be immidiately capable of it. So, I'll only give ESP to characters that have showcased it.

Also, I added Gunvolt alongside the rest of your list since a ghost possessing you doesn't necessarily mean you can see them.

Also, where does Nova's ESP come from? Joule was still alive during that fight, and even normal humans can see Lumen.

 

[Smashtwig]

Oh, then never mind about Nova

I'll add the Afterimage Creation and GV Petrification Resist later after your done with the ESP stuff

 

[The_Smashor]

So then I noticed this calc for The Lich (Enter the Gungeon) was basically a really big guy moving his fist very quickly.

You know who does that in Gunvolt?

I don't know if it will be in the 8-C range (Not to mention we can't compare the speed to Gunvolt's darts without Clac Stacking, unless I'm getting something wrong here). We might be able to say the fists are moving at Reletivistic speeds since that's already Nova's established speed, however.

 

[Smashtwig]

Is this the attack from Nova's Second Phase where he detaches his arm things and does this multi punch attack thingie?

 

[The_Smashor]

Yes

 

[Smashtwig]

Idk if the two should be related but I would ask around if that would be applicable

 

[The_Smashor]

Two things.

1: Gunvolt should have limited Power Nullification, since by attacking Lumen with flashfield he disabled her barrier

2: Where is it said that Paradise Lost is mindhax?

 

[Smashtwig]

While scaling the final boss in LAiX, I think I realized something with GV1 8-A. GV1 Characters are scaling to GV2 Characters (pre-Mirror Shard), so why are they 8-A (which comes from a Mirror Boosted Tenjian)?

As for the final boss of LAiX, it's pretty safe to assume that the boss is far beyond GV1 Anthem, due to reasons I cannot say until say... A week or two after the game is released?

 

[The_Smashor]

GV1 8-A is because of a scaling chain.

Gunvolt fought Jota, who fought Non-Mirrior shard Gibril, who should be compareable to non-mirrior shard Tenjian, who fought Gunvolt just before Gunvolt 2.

I personally think the final boss should be superior to GV2 Anthem because of a statement.

 

[The_Smashor]

Bringing this up again, Zonda's Paradise Lost dosn't seem to be mind manipulation. It seems to be closer to Deconstruction from Gunvolt's description of it.

 

[Parzival-Bo]

What was the line again? "My body feels like it's splitting apart" or something of the sort?

Considering that GV should be used to this kind of thing (he turns into electrons on the regular for Prevasion, after all), we can probably take that as being a legitimate effect.