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GT Goku vs Chou Goku

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@Joo-Smooth

Speed is equalized last I checked. And most of these arguments have been debunked. Omega is baseline lol

And you got one thing wrong too. Beerus and Champa ARE 3-A each, and Jiren is above them and UI Goku is above him. So a good bit above baseline.
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
@Joo-Smooth

Speed is equalized last I checked. And most of these arguments have been debunked. Omega is baseline lol

And you got one thing wrong too. Beerus and Champa ARE 3-A each, and Jiren is above them and UI Goku is above him. So a good bit above baseline.
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What puts manga Gods at 3-A? Scaling above the 3-B's? The feat they had was 3-B iirc. And if Omega is Baseline, how would Syn be 3-A too? Which ones were debunked
 
Omega is Baseline DB universe.

GoDs in Chou can destroy a universe too IIRC so they are about as strong as Omega.

So we can go at:

MUI Goku >= Beerus = Omega Shenron = Baseline DB universe >>> SSJ4 Goku.
 
They're 3-A because Champa was going to destroy a universe with a single attack. Of course scaling far above the 3-Bs also puts them there.
 
The official calculation on this website put omega at 3-B and his minus energy ball at 3-A. So I don't know why syn and ss4 goku are at 3-A.
 
DTG499 said:
The official calculation on this website put omega at 3-B and his minus energy ball at 3-A. So I don't know why syn and ss4 goku are at 3-A.
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True. It is strange.
 
It was because DB universe scales to 110x Baseline. Omega scales to his own attack as he can tank it.

Syn is 1/10 of Omega and SL SSJ4 Goku is > Syn so they were accepted as 3-A.

but now the DB universe size is back to being 2-3x IRL one so many characters that are 3-A or 3-B+ (Chou and GT) need a downgrade.
 
I always interpreted it as Champa and Beerus' clashing energy blasts going to destroy the universe as they charged the same attack. And Champa said "I don't care what happens to this universe anymore" not that he would outright oneshot it. Those 2 factors make it seem like a 3-B to 3-B+, possibly 3-A combined feat to me, but regardless

Is the difference between UI Goku and GT Goku one shot worthy? If not, reactive evolution, energy absorbtion, and UI's short timeframe will be the key factors
 
Reactive evolution isn't a factor because it extends to abilities that goku doesn't have.

Energy absorption isn't combat applicable it's only been used on willing participants

At the time of the 3-A rating it was calculated that the Beerus and champa feat was 40x baseline. SS4 goku is baseline 3-A.
 
SS4 energy absorption is combat applicable where is everyone getting it isn't. He absorbed Baby's Death Ball
 
I just rewatched it, there was no noticeable strength increase nor any statements as such. It was basically the same thing goku did with Beerus last death ball at the end of the battle of gods movie.
 
I didn't say anything about a strength increase just the fact he has energy absorption in battle
 
So really still non combat applicable in this scenario because it was a really really slow process.
 
That's still combat applicable it's just bad. Regardless Chou Goku wins I just wanted to point out he doesn't need people to give him energy
 
Unless you're implying that it only works against ice, GT's reactive evolution would allow him to adapt to Chou's techniques and fighting styles

Iirc Goku used the absorbed energy for an amped up kamehameha though it's been a while since I saw the fight. And Syn Shenron is at least baseline, maybe more and Limit Broken Goku stomped him. Which is why I'm asking if the difference is one shot worthy
 
DTG499 said:
I just rewatched it, there was no noticeable strength increase nor any statements as such. It was basically the same thing goku did with Beerus last death ball at the end of the battle of gods movie.
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We directly see the death ball(billions of ki) being drawn into Goku's body then Baby states that he absorbed it.
 
Omegas03 said:
It was because DB universe scales to 110x Baseline. Omega scales to his own attack as he can tank it.

Syn is 1/10 of Omega and SL SSJ4 Goku is > Syn so they were accepted as 3-A.

but now the DB universe size is back to being 2-3x IRL one so many characters that are 3-A or 3-B+ (Chou and GT) need a downgrade.
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The Universe is ever expanding so the GT Universe is unquantifiably larger than the one from the beginning of DB.

Btw why 110× bigger?
 
The Calaca said:
Assuming Hit isn't at a comparable speed.

Chouku, being MFTL+, reacted to another MFTL+ who can freeze him in time for 0.1s. It doesn't matter if it's too short. A MFTL+ can do anything in that timeframe, and Goku predicted his movements despite being unable to act at such scenario.
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Headcanon. He predicted Hit was going for openings thanks to his mastery of martial arts. Hit is only putting himself at .1s into the future thus bounding his speed to .1s thus when he's finished traveling, Goku merely bested him because Hit was too easy yo see through. Hit ain't that good at fighting vrah
 
He was just asking about the scaling lol. It has no effect on the match because of speed equalization tho
 
I said that because you were calling Hit and Chou characters slow, aka downplaying them just to sound intelligent.

But i don't care. None of your points matter. I don't even understand what do you get with the Instantaneous Movement scaling as if GTku has Infinite Speed or some shit like that.
 
Screenshot 20190506-202435
We directly see the death ball(billions of ki) being drawn into Goku's body then Baby states that he absorbed it.

Right, I know what I saw. He didn't get any stronger from it. It's more in the category of power null, regardless of what was said.
 
Jo-Smooth said:
Unless you're implying that it only works against ice, GT's reactive evolution would allow him to adapt to Chou's techniques and fighting styles

Iirc Goku used the absorbed energy for an amped up kamehameha though it's been a while since I saw the fight. And Syn Shenron is at least baseline, maybe more and Limit Broken Goku stomped him. Which is why I'm asking if the difference is one shot worthy
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Goku's reactive evolution would only extend to ice because he wasn't able to adapt to nova shenrons heat.

Limit break goku vs syn wasn't really a stomp goku was above him but not a stomp worthy gap.
 
The Calaca said:
I said that because you were calling Hit and Chou characters slow, aka downplaying them just to sound intelligent.

But i don't care. None of your points matter. I don't even understand what do you get with the Instantaneous Movement scaling as if GTku has Infinite Speed or some shit like that.
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I never said they were slow. It shows their Ki has reached a level where they surpassed Instantaneous Movement. Not a hard concept to understand. Don't worry I understand ur confusion as this is a new feat I've discovered.
 
You're calling the Timeskip so slow that even Krillin could react to it. False as Toki Tobashi is timehax and with a few exceptions you can't overcome hax via stats. And this doesn't apply to GT peeps as they never dealt with time hax.

Hit would clean the floor with most GT characters.

>Not a hard concept

If you don't explain the concept then it is.

I could argue Chou is higher dimensional without explaining. Nobody would understand because they don't know my train of thought to reach that conclusion. Same case here.
 
yeah, i agree, with my mouth alone Goku can reach tier 0 =))

So now i give my vote to Chou Goku, GT Goku with Dragon Fist can destroy Omega, but it is because Omega is caught off guard because he think Goku still blind and Goku overlap a Dragon Fist on top of a Kamehameha Wave, and even when the Dragon Fist connect, it take a good deal amount of times for Goku to penetrate Omega body, Omega still withstand it for awhile. In this scenario GT Goku is not blind, and even then Goku is Goku, he can being caught off guard by others, i doubt he being fool by himself a same person, they have the same chain of thought and skills, so GT Goku outsmart or outskills Chou Goku is non-existent.

On the otherhand, UI Goku is above baseline 3-A, that mean his casual attack is 3-A atleast, while GT Goku need to prepare for a Dragon Fist at full power is a disavantage and even the hit is connect to UI Goku it is still a tie because UI Goku is casually 3-A, any kind of his strike will cancel out Dragon Fist; fighting skill and tactical is pointless because UI Goku is totally Instinctive Reaction, and because of that his overall speed is better especially reaction speed allow him to defence and counter his opponent attack more effiency.

This is my explaination for my opinion that Chou Goku win GT Goku, sorry i'm not good with English

Edit: Wait, could GT Goku sense Chou Goku, i mean Chou Goku have God Ki and people who is not God or not being trained specially to sense God Ki unable to sense this Ki???
 
Screenshot 20190506-202435
We directly see the death ball(billions of ki) being drawn into Goku's body then Baby states that he absorbed it.

Right, I know what I saw. He didn't get any stronger from it. It's more in the category of power null, regardless of what was said.

What you think is irrelevent. Facts says he absorbed the power into himself. That's being stronger by default. As for anti feats ha ha well good luck buddy because Goku proceeds to OHKO Baby. Baby specifically said he absorbed the power & we see it get drawn into himself. Statements & feats support this. Your BOG reference was merely Goku attacking the Supernova by powering up into God.

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The Calaca said:
You're calling the Timeskip so slow that even Krillin could react to it. False as Toki Tobashi is timehax and with a few exceptions you can't overcome hax via stats. And this doesn't apply to GT peeps as they never dealt with time hax.

Hit would clean the floor with most GT characters.

>Not a hard concept

If you don't explain the concept then it is.

I could argue Chou is higher dimensional without explaining. Nobody would understand because they don't know my train of thought to reach that conclusion. Same case here.
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Dude it's not rocket science. Hit is time traveling to the future to strike. .1 is a pretty long ass time & a master martial artist like Goku who out skills Hit would easily counter it. You're just over complicating it in attempt to wank Chou with headcanon.

According to this sites profiles yes Hit probably would body most of GT. So won't argue there(unless u argue gt follows z then it can body via continuity change).
 
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