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GT Goku vs Chou Goku

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UchihaSlayer96 said:
I hate to admit it but it's kind of fun lol
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Yeah.

As for the size, you'll have to create a discussion for it to see if DB gets a green light under our new standards.

You'll have to look after the original CRT to understand the conclusions.
 
@Calaca

I'm a little caught up atm with the Naruto revisions and some HxH stuff, but once all that's done I'll definitely try working on something for DB, particularly DBZ Speed as I find the current rating beyond ridiculous if I'm being honest lol.

Anyway for the purposes of this fight, can we just say UI holds an unquantifiable AP advantage?
 
DTG499 said:
Enough for a stomp for sure.
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Alright I think you should start counting votes now imo. Pretty sure we've covered everything.

Unless SSJ would like to enlighten our feeble mortal minds some more
 
Oh and btw I was looking through some old threads and it seems Chou Universe size was accepted at 40x, not that it matters much but I just wanted to mention it.
 
The Calaca said:
@AKM the point of that revision was to debunk the use of maps.

@SSJ No, that's not how it works.

UI boosts speed.

Afterimage doesn't.

And Chouku can do that as well. I don't know what are you trying to argue by quoting events and feats both Goku have because it have been used before their versions even existed lmao.

Lmao no. GTku would explode for using KK in a SSJ form. SSJ4 is no difference just because it doesn't have a stamina drain. So does average SSJ and he can't use it.

3 SSJ giving him energy is BS. They shouldn't make a difference at all to begin with. But I digress.

Asspull non existent multiplier is asspull.
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Yes it does boost the speed during the technique. The technique is literally making you move insanely faster.

GT Goku used it on a greater scale thanks to Super Saiyan 4. Chou only did it against foes who weren't even 15× greater.

Kaioken will only explode if he doesn't control it right.

More energy = the greater stress your body can sustain. So it's fairly smart to do so when in need. Surprisingly enough they didn't do this in the T.O.P. but then again that's too easy.

SS4 Goku < Kamehameha < ├ù10 Kamehameha < Yi Tanks it at least twice as strong < ÔÖÄYi ├ù10 greater than normal < AI Goku completely outspeeds & ÔÖÄ cannot keep up.

We know the regular blast is 2.2 & is 10× greater thus 22× user. Yi tanking is 2× thus 44× Goku. He becomes 10× thus 440×. We know Freeza launched a death beam & Piccolo could not see it & Freeza transformed twice. His 3rd form is at least twice as strong & final form for simplistic sakes downplayed to a mere 30% increase. 440×2.3=1,012 thus Super Saiyan 4 Goku's After Image was no less than a 1,000× greater than normal. Thanks to the massive stamina of UFPSS4 he'll maximize the hell out of himself & Dragon Fist After Image speed blitz & since he's accelerating a 1,000× faster that makes the force 1,000× greater thus 1,000× Baseline & again this is bare minimum. UFPSS4 can make it all 10,000× since we know the Ryuken thanks to SS4 is 10× user & SS4 can make its Ki up to 100× hence the 100×/Full Power Big Bang Kamehameha Wave.

GG
 
DTG499 said:
Is it alright with the mods that I don't count this guy's vote?
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Honestly I think you should for the MEMES. Also for the effort it must take to be such a high lvl troll xD
 
Well they don't mean nothing. They smell like shit so you know exactly where they came from. That means something.
 
Don't be unnecessarily hostile even if he's likely trolling.

With pointing his arguments are flawed is enough.
 
Chou Goku has the AP advantage in both forms and since no technique on GT Goku's behalf will do anything meaningful against CSSJB and UI, I vote for Chou Goku.
 
DTG499 said:
I just don't want to set a precedent of counting troll votes, that's all.
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Just because you disagree doesn't heavily doesn't make it a troll. If i was a troll then mods would give me warnings for purposely messing with the sites pages. It's pretty childish the debate community throws out the term troll so easily yet get triggered with the arguements even knowing it's quote unquote troll arguments. Tbh troll has lost its meaning somewhat.
 
DTG499 said:
You have been getting warnings. I saw you get a warning from a ******* staff member.
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It was a warning for using feats not in the sites database not for being a "troll" as you assume i am to be. Kinda funny tbh.
 
Show me a scan of him predicting Time skip without Super Saiyan God </div>

there you go lol </div>

Mmm... I see what you're getting at but with Goku's mastery he simply just timed his punches right so Hit will get Hit. Not actually having some future sight lol. .1 second is pretty damn slow to Goku so really Krillin from GT could've beaten the timeskip. Any above lightspeed for that matter could. Also Goku seemed to knew Hit would take openings to hit him so once again this is just Goku being really fast & covering his openings. Just shows he's a good martial artist. Hit is just an assassin so he depends on openings when need be than getting tactical.
 
Assuming Hit isn't at a comparable speed.

Chouku, being MFTL+, reacted to another MFTL+ who can freeze him in time for 0.1s. It doesn't matter if it's too short. A MFTL+ can do anything in that timeframe, and Goku predicted his movements despite being unable to act at such scenario.
 
Aa far as I am aware, Omega Shenron is Baseline DB universe level. Limit Broken SSJ4 Goku is 5 to 10x weaker than him.

Meanwhile MUI Goku should be a bit above Beerus/Champa who are DB Baseline as well.

Soo it depends on wheter SSJ4 Goku can outlast MUI or not.

What I am unsure about is which of the 3-B keys is stronger (CSSB Goku v. Regular SSJ4 Goku).
 
CSSB Goku is stronger because he's almost Universal. Like ridiculously close to universal, because SSG in BoG arc was able to almost destroy the universe. And he has grown much stronger since then and then SSB and CSSB are at least 10 times above even that, so CSSB is 3-B+.
 
Voting Chou Goku for a significant AP advantage and instinctive reaction. I doubt SSJ4 Goku is going to connect the Dragon Fist or outmanouver MUI Goku's overall stat advantage.

Btw, MUI Goku isn't having a speed advantage due to the simple fact equalizing speed and the slower character getting a speed boost that makes him faster is not valid. The speed remains equal.
 
Speed is equalized in the form they start out in. Any further amps would offer a speed advantage. At least that's how it's been in most VS threads I've seen.
 
From the VS Thread rules page: "During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character".

MUI Goku getting an speed advantage would quite fall onto this Category considering that if speed were unequalized SSJ4 Goku would likely blitz and call it a day. And even if Goku via going from CSSB to MUI gives him an speed boost, GT Goku would also get an speed boost by going from SSJ4 to SLSSJ4.
 
What's the speed both scale at?

I know GTku scales massively above 4 Quadrillions FTL, but I don't know what feat does Chouku scales to.
 
Why does UI one shot again? Arent Chou Gods multi galaxy + for the Beerus Champa combined feat, with Jiren scaling above enough to be 3-A and UI Goku being a bit above him? On the GT end, Syn Shenron is 3-A, Goku is far above him, Omega a decent amount above Goku, though Goku's still able to contend somewhat and even completely obliterate him with the Dragon Fist

Also, doesnt UI only last a few seconds or around a minute? SSJ4 Goku has reactive evolution to help him survive and potentially fight back against UI technique wise, and energy/ki absorbtion which also boosts his stats (as shown when he absorbed Golden Great Ape Baby's strongest attack). Goku is also pretty crafty and creative when fighting stronger opponents than himself. Applies to Chou as well but if he's the stronger one it wont in this scenario. Plus UI by design doesnt allow for strategizing and thinking

Limit Broken Goku overpowers the Controlled/Perfected SSB Goku and evolves to or outlasts UI Goku's short time limit if its not a one shot. And if at any point he absorbs a ki blast then his stats can match

Also, Calaca mentioned that GT Goku cant use Kaio-Ken in SSJ4 because he cant in SSJ, but this version of Goku did use it in SSJ against Pikkon. Dont think that fact would change much though. Also this version of Goku can use up to x100 in base confirmed. Again, doesnt change much.

As for unequalized speed, Toei Cell Saga characters are around anime DBS Whis moving at his fastest. Base Cell Saga Toei Goku id around 100x slower than Whis at 4 quad. Characters like Base Cell Saga Gohan would be stronger/faster than him, and then there's SSJ2 Gohan and SP Cell. Even if you dont scale them as 100x faster, by the Buu saga and definitely GT, their bases would be above DBS Anime Whis. If Chou Vados is 72 quad then unequalized, Toei/GT blitzes hard
 
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