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Superman didn't tank Imperiex's Big Bang either.Not the thread just confirmation but superman did right?
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Superman didn't tank Imperiex's Big Bang either.Not the thread just confirmation but superman did right?
Ok thank you. Thought he did tho,will re read.Superman didn't tank Imperiex's Big Bang either.
We just need staff inputs on this thread.So what should we do here?
??? Parallax is restrained causally by his metal manipulation and he's not powerful enough to escape Telos' hold and asks to be released. Have you read the entire Zero Hour event before...?
The point? What does threatening someone and ignoring the context of those sequence of pages have to do with Parallax being demonstrably weaker as shown above? Telos even says he should have killed Parallax when he had the chance after he gave up the stone. Are you sure you are reading the dialogue? Telos hands over the stone when Parallax tells him he knows where his family is... you know the thing Arak has been desperate to find the entire 5 issues?Parallax stated : IF YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU,HAND IT OVER.
this statement already debunks your claim parallax was cautious of telos or scared of him. Such a statement shows he wasn't even afraid but was threatening him.
Parallax already threatened him and was he handed it over. Parallax decided to attack him.
This kind of habits are common in fictional franchises, especially during deals.
The main point of my first post on this thread is Post flashpoint/rebirth Hal does not scale to Zero Hour Parallax, with or without Gauntlet.And I don't know why we are debating this as it seems we are derailing from the thread.
Yes like I said caught off guard before all this happened and telos stated he found a weakness to defeat him??? Parallax is restrained causally by his metal manipulation and he's not powerful enough to escape Telos' hold and asks to be released. Have you read the entire Zero Hour event before...?
Parallax was never shown weaker than him in their first encounter and certainly isn't scared.The point? What does threatening someone and ignoring the context of those sequence of pages have to do with Parallax being demonstrably weaker as shown above?
Can you remind me with the scan.Telos even says he should have killed Parallax when he had the chance after he gave up the stone.
Telos only handed it over to him when parallax told him he knows their location as lantern rings collect and report a constant stream of data. Doesn't actually prove parallax was afraid of him since he already threatened him before telling him about his family.Are you sure you are reading the dialogue? Telos hands over the stone when Parallax tells him he knows where his family is... you know the thing Arak has been desperate to find the entire 5 issues?
I know since when arak(telos) attacked and defeated braniac.you know the thing Arak has been desperate to find the entire 5 issues?
I never said he did.The main point of my first post on this thread is Post flashpoint/rebirth Hal does not scale to Zero Hour Parallax, with or without Gauntlet.
He's not caught off guard, theres no exclamation or indicator for surprise on the page, he's merely attacked before he can make an action.Yes like I said caught off guard before all this happened and telos stated he found a weakness to defeat him(headcanon but I think this is the method he meant)
Parallax was never shown weaker than him in their first encounter and certainly isn't scared.
XCan you remind me with the scan.
? I'm not proving Parallax is afraid of Telos, I'm showing you Telos is stronger which is why Parallax has to play it smart and negotiate with him to get the stone... It should be fairly obvious why he's doing it this way. Character threats don't mean anything.Telos only handed it over to him when parallax told him he knows their location as lantern rings collect and report a constant stream of data. Doesn't actually prove parallax was afraid of him since he already threatened him before telling him about his family.
Post flashpoint/rebirth:I never said he did.
Parallax obviously didn't know someone was going to attack him and he didn't also see telos around I'll he was restrained.He's not caught off guard, theres no exclamation or indicator for surprise on the page, he's merely attacked before he can make an action.
"telos stated he found a weakness to defeat him(headcanon but I think this is the method he meant)"
You're mixing up stories now. That "weakness" was Telos figuring out how to turn the singularity against him... Parallax says as much.
Look at the scan... Telos casually restrains Parallax and he's is unable to move or free himself which you keep ignoring. I don't know how you can read the Convergence event and come away with Pre-ZH Parallax being stronger than this Telos.
Parallax didn't know he was being attacked only saw metal kind of manipulation circling and restraining him.Look at the scan... Telos casually restrains Parallax and he's is unable to move or free himself which you keep ignoring.
Actually I don't see anyway telos is more powerful than parallax even if he defeated brainiac.. I don't know how you can read the Convergence event and come away with Pre-ZH Parallax being stronger than this Telos.
Tbh, I didn't see any chance telos had to kill parallax especially since he has type 8 immorality but parallax did also had his chance to kill telos(tho weakened after destroying most of those spaceships).
Ok, character threats actually mean many things.? I'm not proving Parallax is afraid of Telos, I'm showing you Telos is stronger which is why Parallax has to play it smart and negotiate with him to get the stone... It should be fairly obvious why he's doing it this way. Character threats don't mean anything
I said this feat is inarguably 2-C cause parallax actually is 2-C. I never referred to the zero hour event parallax.Post flashpoint/rebirth:
*Due to a time warp Hal Jordan Fought Himself As Parallax . This feat was done using krona's power gauntlet. So this feat is inarguably 2-C via krona gauntlet gauntlet as he could harm and tank all parallax attacks that parallax hal had to run.
A YouTube video on the author say about the Comic here. (Green lantern 2011 #50).
Was this not meant to be a supporting feat, if not why is it in the OP?
If this point is dropped then we're good.
Telos was in front of him at this point. How can he not know? There's no surprise indicator, he's caught and theres nothing he can do.Parallax obviously didn't know someone was going to attack him and he didn't also see telos around I'll he was restrained.
Parallax didn't know he was being attacked only saw metal kind of manipulation circling and restraining him.
Actually I don't see anyway telos is more powerful than parallax even if he defeated brainiac.
Telos w/ stone is more powerful than Parallax as shown above. That's why he said that... There's also the fact that the stone still had enough power to fuel reality warping and time manipulation which Parallax didn't have enough energy for alone. Those immortalities are only for the emotional entities themselves, which this is not.Tbh, I didn't see any chance telos had to kill parallax especially since he has type 8 immorality but parallax did also had his chance to kill telos(tho weakened after destroying most of those spaceships).
Ok, character threats actually mean many things.
This is not actually the fear entity Parallax either. This is Pre-Zero Hour Hal Jordan back when Parallax was just a name he took up after going rogue. The dead converged timeline he comes from predates Johns' Green Lantern: Rebirth. He's has no 2-C feats.I said this feat is inarguably 2-C cause parallax actually is 2-C. I never referred to the zero hour event parallax.
So what should we do here?
My last take on this thread is Hal and Pals, Sinestro... etc are obviously not operating on 2-C levels of power for Post-Flashpoint/Rebirth. Upgrading them would cause major inconsistencies with your tier 4s. This is most likely true for your Post Crisis tiers too. The Post Crisis Hal feat is actually legit, but it’s an outlier. It’s kinda nonsense when you think about it, but since Lantern power correlates to will I chop it up to Hal just being in the zone.
I’ll let the mods read the thread and evaluate if they think OP is valid or not.
@C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @Sandman31 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @LuciferDC099 @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer @The_Impress @Planck69I do believe there are others 2C feats for Hal iirc, Kyle and possibly Sinestro too. Especially HAL who has fought some really powerful beings throughout the Johns run. So I believe they should have: "Varied. Up to 4B normally, 2C at Peak"
But it that won't get accepted, then they, at the very least, should get a varied tier. It has a canon explaination and also they don't always operate at 4B level.
I’ve always been in agreement with this idea."Varied. Up to 4B normally, 2C at Peak"
I lean towards Zensum's take on it, but if other 2C feats are sourced, I would lean more towards Confluctor. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just haven't seen them yet.What do you think we should do here?
Look my English ain't good and I'm sure you guys must have noticed by now. Telos was never at parallax from till does metal manipulation whatever started circling parallax.Telos was in front of him at this point. How can he not know? There's no surprise indicator, he's caught and theres nothing he can do.
Why are you ignoring the fact that Parallax couldn't move and did not have the power to free himself from Telos' hold, plainly shown when Parallax says "Release me, Telos!"? This is so clear cut.
If you mean by restraining parallax then no from my point of view. I thought hal did reality warping on coast city before he became parallax?Telos w/ stone is more powerful than Parallax as shown above. That's why he said that... There's also the fact that the stone still had enough power to fuel reality warping and time manipulation which Parallax didn't have enough energy for alone. Those immortalities are only for the emotional entities themselves, which this is not.
It was later stated hal jordan was possessed by parallax.This is not actually the fear entity Parallax either. This is Pre-Zero Hour Hal Jordan back when Parallax was just a name he took up after going rogue.
He legit stalemated a sinestro amp with full power of parallax and easily scales above barry allen possessed by parallax.Green Lantern: Rebirth. He's has no 2-C feats.
I made this specifically for only hal jordan as his stated and feared as the most powerful green lantern I didn't say hal and pals. Sinestro is a possibility.My last take on this thread is Hal and Pals, Sinestro... etc are obviously not operating on 2-C levels of power for Post-Flashpoint/Rebirth.
At the top of my head, I can think of a few instances such as harming Superboy Prime and surviving a punch from him in Sinestro Corps War.I lean towards Zensum's take on it, but if other 2C feats are sourced, I would lean more towards Confluctor. I'm not saying they don't exist, I just haven't seen them yet.
Well, they (specifically Sinestro) can scale to his 4-B self, just not his 2-C.Yeah Larfleez most definitely.
Although other lanterns by themselves shouldn't scale to HAL.
What feat?The Superboy Prime feat I mentioned is from Sinestro Corps War
that means that prime is above Hal, so scaling it would not make senseHAL Jordan was able to harm Superboy Prime. In return, angry Superboy Prime punched hal in the face. I think he also broke Hal's hand at that time.
If he was giving Phantom Stranger trouble, then he’s definitely a 2-C, but Crispus Allen Spectre is already a 2-C without the ring, and I don’t see why he’d get weaker.But a question, how powerful do we treat the black lantern Spectre as? 2C? Or below? He was giving the DC Magician team quite a bit of trouble from what I remember. And that team included Phantom Stranger.
Well, his feats are high enough for 2-C, but DC runs on everybody can fight everybody, just like Marvel.So... Why don't we downgrade him to 4B, 2c at peak? I think it's quite fitting.
4-B?Although we do agree with "Varies Up to 4-B" for lanterns, right? That should probably be applied.
It's mostly done with amps tho I can't imagine someone like cyborg facing mr mxyzptlk and comes out with a victory even the author of that book will be sacked.Well, his feats are high enough for 2-C, but DC runs on everybody can fight everybody, just like Marvel.
Yes, for Lanterns. Their power levels vary depending on their will power or fear or another emotion.they don't always operate at 4-B tier4-B?