Grasshopper Manufacture/Suda51/No More Heroes/Kill The Past General Discussion Thread

[Jasonsith]

New LS calculation, will push top tiers to Class M

As for who it scales to, probably only Travis, FU and Damon and their various mechs and amped forms, I don't feel comfortable scaling it to anyone else.

Agree on the applicability.

Spoiler

... Just Travis fought the Space Peacock. And that peacock claims to have the size and potency to planet surface wipe or even planet bust. Would that space peacock have the top tier treatments as well?

 

[Armorchompy]

Agree on the applicability.

Spoiler

... Just Travis fought the Space Peacock. And that peacock claims to have the size and potency to planet surface wipe or even planet bust. Would that space peacock have the top tier treatments as well?

That's not a statement from the enemy itself, it's either a direct statement from the game ore one made by Jeane or Travis, both of whom are pretty reliable- I'm splitting hairs here I just wanted to make that clear. But yes, that's another supporting feat for High 6-A/5-B, he's in the same category as Ice Shaver- it's below Mr. Blackhole, in fact, the game explicitly puts it under Mr. Blackhole.

I don't know how to calculate GBE of non-spherical objects, but I'm looking into it, considering its wingspan is enough to completely envelop Earth.

 

[Armorchompy]

Made a couple calculations for the fodder.

 

[Armorchompy]

New review confirms a "Grasshopperverse", alongside talking about some cut content. Some really weird cut content

 

[Shmooply]

Oh, it can't be that wei-

Santa Destroy is obviously Travis' hometown, his base of operations. But while it's Travis' territory, I wouldn't really say that it's the centre of like the Suda or Grasshopper universe. That particular universe, it's a really big and complicated thing. For example, the Blackhole Prison I just mentioned - that's off not only in deep space, but in a space between realities, or worlds.

NO MORE PERSONAS

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

New review confirms a "Grasshopperverse", alongside talking about some cut content. Some really weird cut content

Hooray! It's official!

 

[Armorchompy]

Oh, it can't be that wei-


NO MORE PERSONAS

i was mostly talking about ******' fleming being midori's dad, but yeah i'm looking forward to Low 1-C mondo

 

[Jasonsith]

That's not a statement from the enemy itself, it's either a direct statement from the game ore one made by Jeane or Travis, both of whom are pretty reliable- I'm splitting hairs here I just wanted to make that clear. But yes, that's another supporting feat for High 6-A/5-B, he's in the same category as Ice Shaver- it's below Mr. Blackhole, in fact, the game explicitly puts it under Mr. Blackhole.

I don't know how to calculate GBE of non-spherical objects, but I'm looking into it, considering its wingspan is enough to completely envelop Earth.

Spoiler

I may pick another time (if free enough) to calculate the blast size, the peacock size and and what this means for the mechs. Screw it the blast size of an Earth yields exactly High 6-A and is calculated before. I only need to further deduce the peacock and the robot.
(Well usually large size characters do not generate gravity unless explicitly shown to do so such that GBE may not be appropriate. However since the space peacock is actually stated in the description card to be able to actually wrap itself around the earth, so maybe I can calculate the blast size and the bird size and even the size of the robot. I am leaving an idea here so that maybe you can see if that is actually a viable option in deducing anything. Including theoretical lifting strength.)

 

[Armorchompy]

Spoiler

I may pick another time (if free enough) to calculate the blast size, the peacock size and and what this means for the mechs. Screw it the blast size of an Earth yields exactly High 6-A and is calculated before. I only need to further deduce the peacock and the robot.
(Well usually large size characters do not generate gravity unless explicitly shown to do so such that GBE may not be appropriate. However since the space peacock is actually stated in the description card to be able to actually wrap itself around the earth, so maybe I can calculate the blast size and the bird size and even the size of the robot. I am leaving an idea here so that maybe you can see if that is actually a viable option in deducing anything. Including theoretical lifting strength.)

Full Armor Travis probably shouldn't be scaled to the enemy in size considering it's barely bigger than Travis himself in other scenes. I think they just made Space Peacock smaller in gameplay since obviously a planet-sized 3d model is impossible in a game for plenty of reasons.

Large objects, including characters, do generate gravity unless the opposite is explicitly shown, which it really isn't here, so cutting this guy to pieces is indeed a feat. We have absolutely no rules against this, saying it "usually doesn't happen" is pure headcanon.

The bird's size is really easy, It's the circumference of Earth (40075 km) since he wraps around it, that's his wingspan. I'm not sure what the blast size would achieve, at that point it's better to calculate how far it is from Travis since they can reach each other with their attacks, which is a better range feat and also applies to Travis.

Lifting strength doesn't really matter since it lives in a low-gravity environment and Travis doesn't really wrestle with it.

I'll begin calculating it, we'll see what we end up with. I think that's all that's left before I can make the CRT.

 

[Armorchompy]

Ok so I did the calc, AP-wise it's completely useless unless there's a better method to do it, otherwise, simple enough. When that one and this one are approved I can start working on the CRT

 

[Jasonsith]

Spoiler: Space Peacock

This (5h39m38s to 5h39m44s)
The time Space Peacock envelops itself, then launches a blast.

Can this be calculated? And will this affect any previous calculation?

 

[Armorchompy]

It can be for attack speed I suppose, I'll throw it in later

 

[Shmooply]

They turned Fu into a handbag, funniest shit I've ever seen.
im not providing context for my post

 

[Armorchompy]

First CRT is here!

 

[Armorchompy]

y'know what ticks me off? a lot of nmh3 characters have artwork officially published and shit but we don't have any clear shots of it, just unusable parts of it in these toy box things. hopefully we eventually get full versions of it

 

[Armorchompy]

Second (and probably last for a while) CRT is here!

 

[Shmooply]

Just found out that God Hand has some connections with Suda51, that's pretty neat.

Hideki Kamiya who created DMC went on to direct Viewtiful Joe. The VJ team became Clover Studios and made Viewtiful Joe 2 and Okami under Kamiya and God Hand under Shinji Mikami, director of Resident Evil and RE4, which DMC started development as before becoming its own thing. A chunk of the employees from Clover then went on to found Platinum, and work with Kamiya (Bayonetta) and Mikami (Vanquish) again. To go a level deeper, this OST was composed by Masafumi Takada who was contracted out from Grasshopper Studio where he composes music for games by Goichi Suda (Killer7, No More Heroes, The Silver Case). Akira Yamaoka, who famously did most of the Silent Hill soundtracks, also works for Grasshopper now. He worked pretty closely with the original Team Silent, which was disbanded after SH4 and some of the key figures apparently went to work for Kojima Productions. Point being that if you look into it a lot of these games are filled with little nods to each other, like Waka in Okami saying Dante’s famous “Let’s Rock, Baby!” And the reason for it is because so many of these series are tightly interconnected behind the scenes by sharing key figures that collaborate with and seem to know each other in different capacities. It’s just some fun trivia if you look into it.

 

[Armorchompy]

I like to think the way Jeane kinda ducks under your attacks is a reference to God Hand, probably not but it'd be neat

 

[Shmooply]

alexa remind me to make a profile for gene when winter break happens

 

[Armorchompy]

yeah, about that

 

[Shmooply]

Bro...
Uncool...

 

[Armorchompy]

it's ok we can get it deleted if you want, then you can post it again or maybe you can do a page for like, the midgets

 

[Shmooply]

I could make a page for Azel and then make a crt that gives gene literally just one ability and that's it and best boi Elvis.
But enough talk about you and Venom having based video game tastes, this is the Grasshopper thread, not the random-action-games-only-like-ten-people-played-cause-of-sseth thread.

 

[Armorchompy]

I could make a page for Azel and then make a crt that gives gene literally just one ability and that's it and best boi Elvis.

check the verse page

 

[Shmooply]

check the verse page

yOU MADE A ******* PROFILE FOR THE GORILLA TOO WHAT
Okay, methinks that's enough off-topic stuff for now.

 

[Armorchompy]

eh, i don't think it's an issue

 

[Armorchompy]

just gonna put this out here so i don't forget a third ******' time, the font i use for the pics on the verse page is "Bauhaus 93"

Almost done, by the way, character section of the verse page is the only thing left

 

[Shmooply]

Remind me to hire a therapist for you later.

 

[Armorchompy]

It's ready. I'll take three therapists and a cup of coffee, thanks.

 

[Armorchompy]

it is done.

 

[Armorchompy]

by the way, I'll eventually get to doing profiles for stuff like fodder NMH3 aliens, maybe one or two killer7 profiles, but if anyone wants to help make profiles for stuff like shadows of the damned or lollipop chainsaw I'd really appreciate it since we're kinda lacking in those ones and I don't like those games as much as others so I won't do profiles for those

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

I don't know how necessary this is, but I decided to try and compile all the stuff that hasn't been officially acknowledged as part of the Kill the Past verse, mostly for the sake of reference. Granted, a good deal of these are licensed works, so keep that in mind:

Shining Soul

"SS" redirects here. For the Soul Shell item, see Soul Shell. Shining Soul is an action role-playing video game for Game Boy Advance. It was initially released on March 28, 2002. The game was directed by Akira Ueda, developed by Nextech and Grasshopper Manufacture and published in different...

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Samurai Champloo: Sidetracked

Samurai Champloo: Sidetracked is a beat 'em up video game for the PlayStation 2. It is based on the anime Samurai Champloo, though the game's story isn't related to the show's events. The game has three playable characters, Mugen and Jin, two of the show's main characters, as well as a hidden...

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Contact

Contact is a role-playing video game developed by Grasshopper Manufacture for the Nintendo DS console. It was initially released on March 30, 2006, and has been published in Japan, North America, Australasia and Europe. The story begins with a scientist known as the Professor flying through...

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Zero: Tsukihami no Kamen

Zero: Tsukihami no Kamen (零～月蝕の仮面～ "Zero: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse"), alternatively known as Zero 4 or Fatal Frame 4, is a survival horror video game for the Wii console. The game was directed by Makoto Shibata and SUDA51, produced by Keisuke Kikuchi and developed by Tecmo and Grasshopper...

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FROG MINUTES

FROG MINUTES (フロッグミニッツ) is a puzzle video game for the iOS and Android platforms. Designed as a tribute to the 2011 earthquake which ruptured Japan, it was released to Apple's App Store on March 30, 2011, with proceeds of the game's sales being contributed to Japan's relief fund. It was later...

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Evangelion Shin Gekijōban -Saundo Inpakuto-

Evangelion Shin Gekijōban -Saundo Inpakuto- (ヱヴァンゲリヲン新劇場版-サウンドインパクト-, lit. "Evangelion New Theatrical Edition: Sound Impact") is a rhythm-action video game for the PlayStation Portable console. It is an adaptation of the anime Neon Genesis Evangelion designed by Grasshopper Manufacture, and was...

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Sine Mora

This article is about the video game. For the meta-award, see Sine Mora (meta-award). Sine Mora (シネモラ, Shine Mora) is a shoot 'em up video game developed by Digital Reality and Grasshopper Manufacture for Xbox Live Arcade. The game was published on March 21, 2012 for the price of $14.99. Sine...

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Liberation Maiden

Liberation Maiden (解放少女, Kaihō Shōjo) is a shoot 'em up video game for the Nintendo 3DS and iOS platforms. Initially included on the Guild01 compilation for Nintendo 3DS, the game is now sold separately on Nintendo's eShop and Apple's App Store marketplaces. The game was directed by Makoto...

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Dark Menace

Dark Menace (ダークメナス, Dākumenasu) is a video game for Android and iOS touchcreen devices. It was developed by Grasshopper Universe and premiered in Japan on November 21, 2012. The game, which is described by Grasshopper Manufacture as a "hard-core 3D sci-fi action social game app", takes place on...

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BLOOD+ One Night Kiss

BLOOD+ One Night Kiss is an action-adventure video game developed by Grasshopper Manufacture for the PlayStation 2 console. It has only been published in Japan, where it was released on August 30, 2006. One Night Kiss was one of the first games Grasshopper worked on after finding fame from...

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Black Knight Sword

Black Knight Sword is a platforming video game developed by Grasshopper Manufacture and Digital Reality. It was published by D3 Publisher for PlayStation Network on December 11, 2012, and the following day for Xbox Live Arcade. Speaking on behalf of Grasshopper, composer Akira Yamaoka summarized...

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Short Peace: Ranko Tsukigime's Longest Day

Short Peace: Ranko Tsukigime's Longest Day (SHORT PEACE -月極蘭子のいちばん長い日-, Short Peace: Tsukigime Ranko no Ichiban Nagai Hi) is an action video game for the PlayStation 3 console. It was released on January 16, 2014, published by Bandai Namco. It was designed by Crispy's in collaboration with...

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Sdatcher

Sdatcher, stylized as SUDA51'S SDATCHER -INSPIRED by "SNATCHER"-, is a radio drama serving as a prequel to the video game Snatcher, originally directed by Hideo Kojima, who reprises the role for this project. Sdatcher is written by SUDA51 and scored by Akira Yamaoka. When initially announced...

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Tsukikage no Tokio

"Tsukikage no Tokio ~Tokio of the Moon's Shadow~" (月影のトキオ) is the 16th episode of Japan Animator Expo, a series of short animated films written and directed by various people in the Japanese media industry. This episode in particular is written by Suda51. In the world of "Tsukikage no Tokio"...

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Suda Fables

Suda Fables (須田寓話, Suda Guuwa), also known as Fable51 and 51FABLES, is a series of online articles published by Famitsu in 2016. They consist of side material taking place in the worlds of games written and directed by SUDA51, as well as original stories unconnected to previous games. The...

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[Armorchompy]

I've heard Contact is very good- haven't played any of these tho. However the Yakumo from Killer7 appear in Ranko Tsugihime so that one might be canon too.

 

[Armorchompy]

 

[Jimmy.robinson.5099]

On the one hand, I understand that he wants to move on and make new things. But on the other hand, I feel kinda bad he doesn't own the full rights to his IP...

 

[Armorchompy]

Yeah, I don't doubt it hurts him, but I'm glad Marvelous gave him full freedom with NMHIII and TSA at least, last thing we needed was NMH getting the Shadows of the Damned treatment. Plus, I like to think Suda's best work is on completely new kinds of games, so I'm hyped to see his new IPs although it does hurt to know Travis is gone for good, at least for the next decade.

By the way, I'm making the fodder profiles, should the mini-boss enemies be "At least High 6-A, likely Low 5-B+?" Since they scale lower than the space mini-bosses, which are the ones with actual 5-B feats.

 

[Armorchompy]

well, i made all those pages- also one for andrei ulmeyda from killer7- yesterday

 

[Armorchompy]

Made three more pages for Killer7, that's all of them for that game.

 

[Jasonsith]

On the one hand, I understand that he wants to move on and make new things. But on the other hand, I feel kinda bad he doesn't own the full rights to his IP...

Well when one feels ambitious and realises he has the talent to make more money and has more control over how he makes money and how much to share from the fruits... Respects his opinions.
Just... How would he react if Marvelous assigns another creator for NMH 4? Since Henry Cooldown is claimed to be still on a plan on cosmic conquest at the end of NMH 3 and people would reasonably expect Travis has to fight the real Henry Cooldown to conclude everything.

 

[Armorchompy]

I don't know the man but he seems like a fairly nice dude, I don't think he'd immediately shit-talk them for it or anything, but I assume he wouldn't be too happy about yet another one of his creations being kinda taken from him. Plus NMH3's ending isn't really meant to be taken seriously, it kinda shows that continuing the series would drive it to levels that are so absurd they're not enjoyable- making an actual game off of that would kinda be missing the point.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if Marvelous made, like, a Shinobu spin-off or something, I don't think Suda51 is the only person that can ever do NMH right and if it's not messing with my boy Travis I'd be very willing to give it a chance. I mean I'd try it even if it was a NMH4 but I'd be a lot more doubtful.