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Granblue Fantasy Discussion thread 3

still working on some sentences and explanation but here's the current draft for 2-C possibly low 1-C crt
 
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Final write up​


Granblue Verse​

Granblue is initially assumed to be a simple universe and what granted most characters who came close to the creator of the universe a low 2-C rating is by being able to Destroy Pandemonium and Etemenanki who both have enough mass and durability to destroy the dimensional boundary that is holding off the Chaos of Crimson Horizon and Otherworldly Realm which would theoretically completely wipe out everything in existence without any trace including Astral Realm Sky-realm who is universal in size and the Holy Seat Genesis where the Omnipotent resides.

Astral Realm a higher layer/dimension​

Before we begin we must first understand Astral Power which is also the power of Origination. And the best example of these would be Primal Beast.
To start with the initial description of Primal Beast is they are Sky-realm entities reborn into higher dimensional existence. and this is also supported in the game by the statement of Zeyen. As noted their Powers are from a plane in a higher position than the Physical plane they exist in. Often times the Power of Primal Beast is always connected to Astral Power. because they are Sky-realm's core given Astral Power and stated by Nezha that they run on Astral Energy. initially, it was assumed that Primal Beast True form exists on a higher plane from where their powers come from. There is something wrong with that interpretation. In the Main Story Walfrid told his story regarding the mission given to them by the Sky-God.
It described that Primal Beast are Astral Powers no longer in the Astral Realm, specifically their powers. so rather it is not that Primal Beast's true form exists on a higher plane but rather their powers themselves are from a higher dimensional plane which is the Astral Realm. and their death from having their Core shattered or having all their Astral Powers excised by the power granted by Sky-God does not kill them but rather harvest/collect those energy or return them to the Astral Realm if left alone. So it is very likely that Astral Realm is the higher dimensional plane that Zeyen talks about.
In the current 8th Anniversary Event it was also implied how the Astral Realm is considered on a higher layer than the World of Sky-realm. The Astrals in the Astral Realm created Cosmos as the arbitration and keeper of the balance of the Sky-realm and she has done so by observing it and creating surrogates and automatic arbitration system which is Zooey (Grand Order) and Geo who are reliant on her for their existence and cannot be completely destroyed without being able to destroy their true form Cosmos.
Regarding Astral Realm being an actual universe in itself. Helel Ben Sahar or Lucio who is the Speaker who oversees all creation and Sky-realm stated that the Astral Realm is based on the original world which is the Sky-realm which is a universe in size.

Furthermore into this. Yuni who is en Envoy of Cosmos needed to descend from the Astral Realm to reach the closed dimension. the closed-off dimension that Cosmos herself created is completely cut off from both the Astral Realm and Sky-realm but contained all of Sky-realm History similarly to Akasha who transcended the natural order of history and is capable of governing and manipulating all of Sky-realm history past present and future and it's capable of affecting the entire Spacetime and reset the entire world. Cosmos from simply watching in Astral Realm was able to foresee the existence of singularity near the end of history and all countless possibilities at the end of time depending on what fate the Singularity has chosen or how it manifested in Sky-realm.

Other supporting evidence regarding superiority​

Ultimate Bahamut in his fight against the Singularity made it so that his defeat is merely a dream but the effects of the fight still exist on the weapon of Singularity
Shiva put him on a trial where the effect of the fight happened but it became merely a dream. then same also happened to the 4 successors of Primarchs
Metatron also confronted The Captain with a trial despite being weakened due to his physical body being lost in Crimson Horizon and only existing as residual of his consciousness and his manifestation slowly dissolving. and Sandalphon not being able to sense Metatron's presence the entire time
Lucifer also stated these trials are not dreams but also not reality either in Wyvern's Reverie, and the trial ended without anyone having memory of it but receiving a gift.
Ellis Stamp has the ability to perceive 3D as flat and has a hyperdimensional perception that allows him to see the 4th dimension of time as positive and negative T-Axis that allows him to see past present and future or hack targets from the past and future while also connecting their present self to the past and future thus He cannot be completely severed once he has hacked someone and the effects can even manifest physically. Ellis was easily overloaded by the information and data contained by Primal Beast that caused him to crash and reboot.
One of Protobahamut's attacks is named Hyperdimension ignores any form of defense against it
Lucio sealed Lucilius on the spaces between dimensions that prevent him from entering or interacting with any of the realms and Sandalphon said it is a domain likely similar to Crimson Horizon opposes Astral Realm and vice versa
Lucilius refers to Lucifer his first primal beast as someone who exists on a higher plane

Proposed Tiers​

All Creators and Characters who scaled to the power capable of destroying the dimensional boundary that separates Astral Realm, Sky-realm and Crimson Horizon which holds off all the Chaos that could engulf everything in existence and creation of the Omnipotent one

2-C possibly low 1-C for profiles who are already low 2-C such as Shalem, Ultimate Bahamut, Lucilius, and Beelzebub
with some being
4-A likely 2-C possibly low 1-C for profiles who has 4-A likely low 2-C ratings that scale with the same feat

2-C being that Astral Realms Is its own separate spacetime and universe or realm completely closed off
while possibly low 1-C being that Astral Realm is possibly a higher dimensional realm compared to Sky-realm wherein their powers easily trivialize and easily controls and manipulates concepts, laws, logic, and existence within Sky-realm and Cosmos Seeing Sky-realm's History from a higher purview or stratum and being able to see the end of it that not even Lucifer in Sky-realm is able to and had to directly converse with Sky-God to be able to see one of the possible futures.

All Primal Beast except some with independent situations should get their Type 9 Immortality removed but retain their higher dimensional existence if higher dimension is accepted.

I will make a blogpost if necessary detailing how the cosmology works in Granblue
 
Just finished new main story. The cliffhanger is surprising.

And yeah.otherworld erasure is not only conceptual but also history/timeline erase that no one remembers those who were erased
 
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memes
 
that's mostly an update for god tiers(MC) who already have good profile states

the rest needs some additions to their profile to reflect their resistance to things

the tier 2 and tier 1 crt is still ongoing so far only confluctor responded for tier 1 questions if you want to help feel free and thanks
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Here is the match that i pr
Also when you gonna publishing the CRT for abilities update and resistances? After the tier 2/1 update is over?
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Yes. Its still being worked on. But as for the abilities they are already set.meanwhile for specific character abilities it should be worked on alongside captain changes
 
Akemi15 said:
Nice to meet you, I'm new here. I hope I can help something about granblue verse.

I want to clarify something, sky realm is universe, right? If so, then I think we will need to upgrade speed again for primal beast because from this calc is mentioned sky realm which is just planet before but now is universe : https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ShiroyashaGinSan/Granblue_Fantasy:_Spymur's_Vision_Speed


Also, can I join discord server?
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Welcome to a few group of people talking about 8 yrs old gacha game about farming

due to how some people are not aware of the existence of space/Cosmos in the Sky realm. some things only refer to the Sky-realm as the planet itself rather
Just the World of Sky or the Entire universe.
So it will only be referred to as the universe if is spoken by someone who is aware of it is a universe. Examples are Society members/ Robomi characters/ Arcarum characters and mid to late game Captain and every primal beast in What makes the sky blue paradise lost onwards.

Also calling it just the Sky often refers to the planet rather than universe

also link for discord

Discord - A New Way to Chat with Friends & Communities

Discord is the easiest way to communicate over voice, video, and text. Chat, hang out, and stay close with your friends and communities.
discord.gg discord.gg
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
Welcome to a few group of people talking about 8 yrs old gacha game about farming

due to how some people are not aware of the existence of space/Cosmos in the Sky realm. some things only refer to the Sky-realm as the planet itself rather
Just the World of Sky or the Entire universe.
So it will only be referred to as the universe if is spoken by someone who is aware of it is a universe. Examples are Society members/ Robomi characters/ Arcarum characters and mid to late game Captain and every primal beast in What makes the sky blue paradise lost onwards.

Also calling it just the Sky often refers to the planet rather than universe

also link for discord

Discord - A New Way to Chat with Friends & Communities

Discord is the easiest way to communicate over voice, video, and text. Chat, hang out, and stay close with your friends and communities.
discord.gg discord.gg
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Ah i see. Then I think we can upgrade primal beast like Medusa, satyr, nezha and Baal who is fight with grand order in "Created by the stars, Loved by the skies"

Also thanks for the link
 
Akemi15 said:
Ah i see. Then I think we can upgrade primal beast like Medusa, satyr, nezha and Baal who is fight with grand order in "Created by the stars, Loved by the skies"

Also thanks for the link
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That's actually planned for the tierring update after getting tier 2 and tier 1 crt is accepted
then character abilities update
Medusa, Satyr, Nezha and Baal would scale into 4-A rating for fighting Geo and zooey copycats which has grand order form
 
whne we finish CRT

There's lot of them
new profile I was working on wasn't updated to recent CRT so uh...
lmao I need copies of myself to work for me :> someone grant me duplication ability
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
I thought only NEP that need to be concluded?
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new abilities for captain and others
his profile really needs update
NEP is getting no traction
Low 1-C profile update not over yet
if I'm gonna add a profile I need to make sure they will not be affected by big abilities like NEP

eitherway I think Nicholas can fit into this.

and uh I'm probably gonna be semi occupied since aside from slowly doing low 1-C. I'm also pushing for Captain as top 5 strongest 4-C 1st spot
 
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