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This is a revision to update the abilities and resistance for primal beast correcting some misconceptions and correcting some missing abilities and resistance to the majority of the primal beast in Granblue Fantasy
there is 2 more CRT after this because Granblue Fantasy is really outdated and I'm slowly updating each one of them
To start it off we have to establish their correct physiology
I made a draft for a physiology page and what will be written here is an explanation of what primal beasts are and what they resist and possess
Using the Astral power this formless essence takes shape/personality/sentience and physical form.
The strength of a primal beast varies a lot, but all of them consist of a core where the source of astral powers comes from that gives them the ability to manifest and interact in both the physical and metaphysical realm.
Although they may be able to take a form similar to a human and some even to possess a human form, their physical makeup isn't really biological but rather a special magical construct that is elements that makes up Sky-realm which can be either Fire/water/Wind/Earth/Dark/Light as they are the only element that is very important to the make up of the world.
in a sense, due to how they can create both Organic and Inorganic bodies for convenience they should possess Inorganic Physiology Type 1
as such Primal Beast should possess resistance to many abilities that manipulate a biological body or damage a biological body such as
Corruption (Type 1), Acid Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement, Disease Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 1 and 2), Empathic Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Blood Manipulation, and Curse Manipulation
Primal beasts are as good as dead without their powers. as such as long as their core possesses the powers of the Astral as long as their concept isn't completely severed from their core they can exist and tampering with their souls or outright removing it often puts them in a frenzy which allows them to manifest all of their power that even a defective primal beast is comparable to one created specifically for combat
As such they would also gain resistance to Soul Manipulation and can still function without issues without one except it will put them in a frenzy or bloodlusted state
The Mind and the Sentience of a primal beast are also tied to the Astral power thus they cannot resist nor reject orders/commands/manipulation from Astrals who directly commands that very power that originated them. but even though the control is absolute they can mount some sort of resistance against it. thus it should go without saying that they can resist mind manipulation/madness manipulation and as for the strength of this mind manipulation goes the Gilbert who inherited the True King's authority as a catalyst are capable of commanding primal beast in sky-realm except those who are pact-bounded already such as island primal beast, and as mentioned by Nezha it is not an exaggeration that there were as many primal beasts as there were stars. and Echidna who is the Primal Beast Embodiment of Motherhood/Origin passively calms down anyone within her vicinity with her Motherly Aura that extends to any living thing and is far stronger against Primal Beast became ineffective against The True King's Authority. Astrals control is far stronger and can manipulate Primal Beast to the point of Body Puppetry as shown by Loki who is considered very low in the Astral Hierarchy
As such they would gain resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 1 and 2), Body Puppetry, and Mind Manipulation
other related abilities regarding their metaphysical resistance are listed on the physiology page
As mentioned by Rosetta primal beasts are as good as dead if robbed of their powers and reverted to simply an abstract
One could permanently put down a primal beast if they possess the capacity to completely absorb all of the Astral powers. if they do not have the capacity they would simply melt out of existence and the Astral powers would return to the primal beast
Destroying their Core is another option but their Core is far more durable than their own forms
Statistics Reduction, Sleep Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement, Gravity Manipulation, Power Nullification, and Poison Manipulation.
True Dragons also far surpasses normal dragons not only does their flames can melt and burn dragons even with their scales and hide that is used as protection against flames that Automagod Grynoth can do which are Violet/Purple Flames (assumed as 39400 °C but I could be wrong but should still be hot) that wiped the entire team but was later tanked without issues on later chapters thanks to Zeta donning equipment with Dragonhide and even defeating Grynoth as well
In addition to that their flames do not only affect the physical body but also Spirits and Soul as seen in Light Grea Skill Fate Scene 4 with Dragon escort explaining how the True Dragons are Royalties for Dragons and that their Flames are used to punish Dragons who broke a taboo by being burned in it with their spirit for eternity until they die
Mana comes from their Core which is claimed to be nearly Limitless by Seruel who have dealt and have experiences and knowledge about True Dragons due to how a True Dragon Deidre is part of their ecology as a kingdom and even Naoise who inherited all of Deidre's powers and became a Dragonian claimed that their True Dragon is no different from such a True Dragon.
as such, they will also gain resistance similar to primal beast if not stronger due to how Astrals needed to subjugate them or modify them just to put them into their control
and one with weapons that are specifically built to kill dragons often times can shatter their core but they can live without their core but will be extremely weakened.
They are the progenitors of all dragons born from the imbalance of the 6 elements that painted the world, instead of the world being destroyed due to the imbalance they instead were born from this irregularity and thus they command supreme powers that not even Primarch's who oversee the concept of elements that created the Sky-realm. As they are created from irregularity that would destroy the world they can ignore providence and possesses their own Providence, as they are the progenitors of all dragons they possess all the traits of true dragons to a far higher degree. their sizes vary a lot but Lindwurm described these dragons to be capable of devouring the Sun
Lindwurm commented that his judgment is meant to completely kill someone and use their powers/elements/color to purify the color imbalance within the Sky-realm whether they are True Dragons or Primal Beast and with the Six Dragon being far more superior than him with them enacting their judgment they should be able to nullify and erase a Primal Beast's existence completely negating all their immortality resurrection and regeneration.
and as for their abilities
Conceptual Destruction (Type 2 and 3), Reality Warping and Spatial Manipulation, Purification Large Size possibly (Type 6), Existence Erasure, Negates Regeneration (Mid-Godly), and Immortality (Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 8)
Therefore in addition to primal beast resistance and abilities they have, they would also gain Flight and Supernatural Willpower
Avatar's destructive impulse/essence invades and taints the core of Primal Beast, thus it directly affects the very makeup of the primal beast in their fundamental level minus their concept thus some are unable to resist it while some archangel is able to and even regain their sanity while tainted from it to get their control back from Avatar's Influence.
as such their resistance to madness/soul/mind manipulation should be superior even while tainted by Avatar's Void in their core
with that said we still see some feats and abilities performed by the Speakers due to them being a playable character.
Explanation about Granblue Fantasy Cosmology will be necessary here
To Start off their existence is completely separate from their Physical Body, although their Physical Body does possess their abilities and strength. Lucio/Sahar was seen capable of manipulating celestial bodies with ease in his Summer Fate Story and as the main story goes as well Gods are the definition of reality. They can also directly tap into people's subconscious and dream capable of linking them and summoning them into a dimension. They also function on different Causality as they created the Causality, Laws of Physics and logic, possibly even Space-time as the concept of history Akasha are capable of affecting all the space-time of Sky-realm as it is History given form by Astrals. and as it goes they consider chaos in the crimson horizon as powers that not even God's possess and everything that makes up the Sky-realm are all created by Omni-Bahamut which would include concepts and Abstract beings. Omni-Bahamut should possess Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 for being able to create Providence and concepts as tools before creating Sky-realm which directly opposes chaos that preceded time or is unbounded from it and that eroding someone's providence with chaos is equivalent to reducing one's existence and being into chaos which is a type of nonexistence that not even Astrals ability to turn 0 into 1 and manipulate concepts and give them form holds no sway over chaos and otherworld.
therefore they should gain the following abilities.
Reality Warping, Acausality (Type 4), Dream Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation, and Space-Time Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1),
moving on to other abilities the speaker can send entities to different dimensions/universe, Afterlife, and even to a space between dimensions or towards the crimson horizon. they can also separate one's soul from their being even Primal Beast such as Sandalphon making it wander independently from its body and even manipulated gravity making the rifts pull stronger pulling things overboard
therefore they should also gain the abilities
Gravity Manipulation, Portal Creation, BFR, and Soul Manipulation.
moving onwards we are also shown more of the speaker's abilities as someone who guide's providence and its limitations, in Lucio's Fate episode, we saw him warp reality and change reality as it moved forward after showing his memories to Captain that even Rackam who was hostile towards him shifted into a friendly attitude out of nowhere. changing the fate and the history of a specific individual who was affected by the otherworld after they have separated her essence from otherworldly beings.
the limitations would be that influence of chaos negates his ability to manipulate and requires him to personally eradicate their existence to guide the affected entity back to the correct course of reality, but this would be more of a feat from chaos and otherworld.
as such, they should also gain Fate Manipulation.
as for their resistance due to how providence holds no sway over them and how they are the one that governs it they should gain resistance to
Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation, possibly Space-Time Manipulation as they exist separately from it and history and space-time are merely their creation
I will list down profiles that will be affected by this
there is 2 more CRT after this because Granblue Fantasy is really outdated and I'm slowly updating each one of them
To start it off we have to establish their correct physiology
I made a draft for a physiology page and what will be written here is an explanation of what primal beasts are and what they resist and possess
Physiology
Physical Body / Manifestation
From their very roots, we know Primal beasts in their true forms are Non-Corporeal and are AE type 1. but their makeup and what makes them take form is with the combination of Astral Power of Origination and Sky-realm Essence that takes form as abstract/concept/myth/faith.Using the Astral power this formless essence takes shape/personality/sentience and physical form.
The strength of a primal beast varies a lot, but all of them consist of a core where the source of astral powers comes from that gives them the ability to manifest and interact in both the physical and metaphysical realm.
Although they may be able to take a form similar to a human and some even to possess a human form, their physical makeup isn't really biological but rather a special magical construct that is elements that makes up Sky-realm which can be either Fire/water/Wind/Earth/Dark/Light as they are the only element that is very important to the make up of the world.
in a sense, due to how they can create both Organic and Inorganic bodies for convenience they should possess Inorganic Physiology Type 1
as such Primal Beast should possess resistance to many abilities that manipulate a biological body or damage a biological body such as
Corruption (Type 1), Acid Manipulation, Biological Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Corrosion Inducement, Disease Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 1 and 2), Empathic Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Blood Manipulation, and Curse Manipulation
Metaphysical Body / Manifestation
As they are originally a concept/myth/belief/faith/abstract themselves they do not necessarily need to have a conventional soul to function or performPrimal beasts are as good as dead without their powers. as such as long as their core possesses the powers of the Astral as long as their concept isn't completely severed from their core they can exist and tampering with their souls or outright removing it often puts them in a frenzy which allows them to manifest all of their power that even a defective primal beast is comparable to one created specifically for combat
As such they would also gain resistance to Soul Manipulation and can still function without issues without one except it will put them in a frenzy or bloodlusted state
The Mind and the Sentience of a primal beast are also tied to the Astral power thus they cannot resist nor reject orders/commands/manipulation from Astrals who directly commands that very power that originated them. but even though the control is absolute they can mount some sort of resistance against it. thus it should go without saying that they can resist mind manipulation/madness manipulation and as for the strength of this mind manipulation goes the Gilbert who inherited the True King's authority as a catalyst are capable of commanding primal beast in sky-realm except those who are pact-bounded already such as island primal beast, and as mentioned by Nezha it is not an exaggeration that there were as many primal beasts as there were stars. and Echidna who is the Primal Beast Embodiment of Motherhood/Origin passively calms down anyone within her vicinity with her Motherly Aura that extends to any living thing and is far stronger against Primal Beast became ineffective against The True King's Authority. Astrals control is far stronger and can manipulate Primal Beast to the point of Body Puppetry as shown by Loki who is considered very low in the Astral Hierarchy
As such they would gain resistance to Madness Manipulation (Type 1 and 2), Body Puppetry, and Mind Manipulation
other related abilities regarding their metaphysical resistance are listed on the physiology page
Source of their being / Primal Beast Core
Their core only exists within their true body, but as the name goes it translates to the source of their being, if their core is severely damaged to tampered one can ultimately put down a primal beast for good, Although it is rare for primal beast to run out of powers from being repeatedly having their form destroyed. if it happened too many times that they ran out of power to manifest again their Core will be left unprotected and tangible, and in similar cases when a primal beast Manifest all of its strength in a manifestation, destruction of such form would leave them powerless and reveal their core allowing one to completely subdue or kill itNotable Weaknesses and about regeneration
Primal Beast is always seen as something immutable and unkillable, but there are specific ways that one can permanently put them down, and that relies on their Core and the Astral Power they possessAs mentioned by Rosetta primal beasts are as good as dead if robbed of their powers and reverted to simply an abstract
One could permanently put down a primal beast if they possess the capacity to completely absorb all of the Astral powers. if they do not have the capacity they would simply melt out of existence and the Astral powers would return to the primal beast
Destroying their Core is another option but their Core is far more durable than their own forms
Weaknesses
- Although Primal beasts can manifest their forms over and over again each time it is destroyed if their powers are drained they will go into a deep sleep state where they will rest for their powers to recover. Once they have awakened their true power and manifested their full strength into their form, destruction of that form will cause them to lose consciousness and formleaving only their Core. destroying the core will prevent them from resurrectingputting them in a permanent rest state. primal beast are vulnerable to Power Absorption and Absorption
True Dragons
with the introduction of The Dragonblood War, They revealed more details about True Dragons, although their makeup can be similar to Primal beast because they are created and their existence is reliant on their core similar to the primal beast. but unlike them, they are not Abstract Beings. Similar to Raid primal they all resist the majority of status affliction available in the game called debuff so by default they would gain resistance to the following. One thing to note about them is they are the entities that resisted and are often seen as far superior in many sense to Primal BeastStatistics Reduction, Sleep Manipulation, Status Effect Inducement, Gravity Manipulation, Power Nullification, and Poison Manipulation.
Physical Body
Similar to a primal beast, they can take form as either their dragon form or even take the form of a human/sky dweller, and one is able to change their very genetic makeup when taking a form different from their real form which is a dragon and as shown by Druj who are the earliest Shown True Dragon, he is capable of even becoming Intangible and melt into darkness and Invisible, Majority of their abilities and physical make up is similar to Primal Beast.True Dragons also far surpasses normal dragons not only does their flames can melt and burn dragons even with their scales and hide that is used as protection against flames that Automagod Grynoth can do which are Violet/Purple Flames (assumed as 39400 °C but I could be wrong but should still be hot) that wiped the entire team but was later tanked without issues on later chapters thanks to Zeta donning equipment with Dragonhide and even defeating Grynoth as well
In addition to that their flames do not only affect the physical body but also Spirits and Soul as seen in Light Grea Skill Fate Scene 4 with Dragon escort explaining how the True Dragons are Royalties for Dragons and that their Flames are used to punish Dragons who broke a taboo by being burned in it with their spirit for eternity until they die
Metaphysical body their Soul, Spirit, Lifeforce, and Mana
As True Dragons are real living beings, they possess Souls and Spirit so much so that a fragment of their souls exists in their Blood and they can bestow their abilities and powers to beings by letting them take on their blood. Contrary to Primal Beasts who are born from Astral's power of Origination, True Dragons are created from Mana, Which can take many forms such as lifeforce/energy/Magic, etc. which they can manipulate on their own and resist manipulation from other fellow True Dragons unless they possess a portion of the True Dragons power to counteract it.Mana comes from their Core which is claimed to be nearly Limitless by Seruel who have dealt and have experiences and knowledge about True Dragons due to how a True Dragon Deidre is part of their ecology as a kingdom and even Naoise who inherited all of Deidre's powers and became a Dragonian claimed that their True Dragon is no different from such a True Dragon.
as such, they will also gain resistance similar to primal beast if not stronger due to how Astrals needed to subjugate them or modify them just to put them into their control
Notable Weaknesses
Of course, seeing how they are similar to the primal beasts they are also vulnerable should one have weapons or abilities that can directly target their core rendering their near-limitless mana nulland one with weapons that are specifically built to kill dragons often times can shatter their core but they can live without their core but will be extremely weakened.
- Damaging/shattering their core prevents them from manifesting their near-limitless mana making them extremely weakened and will eventually die from it once their mana fades out
The Six Dragons
So far we don't have a profile for Six Dragons characters but I'm planning to make one and I will include them on physiology page so I have to leave it here as wellThey are the progenitors of all dragons born from the imbalance of the 6 elements that painted the world, instead of the world being destroyed due to the imbalance they instead were born from this irregularity and thus they command supreme powers that not even Primarch's who oversee the concept of elements that created the Sky-realm. As they are created from irregularity that would destroy the world they can ignore providence and possesses their own Providence, as they are the progenitors of all dragons they possess all the traits of true dragons to a far higher degree. their sizes vary a lot but Lindwurm described these dragons to be capable of devouring the Sun
Lindwurm commented that his judgment is meant to completely kill someone and use their powers/elements/color to purify the color imbalance within the Sky-realm whether they are True Dragons or Primal Beast and with the Six Dragon being far more superior than him with them enacting their judgment they should be able to nullify and erase a Primal Beast's existence completely negating all their immortality resurrection and regeneration.
and as for their abilities
Conceptual Destruction (Type 2 and 3), Reality Warping and Spatial Manipulation, Purification Large Size possibly (Type 6), Existence Erasure, Negates Regeneration (Mid-Godly), and Immortality (Type 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 8)
Archangels/Primarchs
Archangels and Primarchs are the original Primal beast created by the Astral Researcher Lucilius, they are laughably superior to any Regular Primal beast. They have been created to battle Otherworlders who possess chaos, Moondwellers who can ultimately put down Primal beast with Sealed weapons and regulate the Tetra elements, Ether, and to control and regulate the aspects of the world and concepts within the Sky-realm so they do not break perpetual flux.Physical Body / Manifestation
they inherit all previous abilities normal primal beasts possess but on a higher degree and unlike primal beasts who dissipate into nonexistence after having their core damaged or shattered, they can still exist and live on for an extended amount of time without their core while also retaining their abilities and even without their core, their power also not only comes from their concept and core but also their willpower and this willpower extends to become wings where excess power that their core cannot contain manifest into depending on how strong it is and can substitute as their core until they ran out of energy, they also possess small resistance to Chaos matter who can erode one's being and ignore regeneration and immortality although, they can still die from it if gravely injured by such. minor wounds caused by chaos matter they can be healed but often requires manual application of their healing.Therefore in addition to primal beast resistance and abilities they have, they would also gain Flight and Supernatural Willpower
Metaphysical, Soul and Mind
The Soul and Mind of Archangel and Primarchs are extremely far more resilient not only they cannot be subjugated completely by Astral for complete obedience even lesser Archangel of Instructions are capable of retaining their individual mind and soul after being consumed and melded together with Avatar who has consumed Original Primal Beast Soul, mind, body and Core for 2000 years although they do not come out unaffected but still able to resist it and was slowly recovering from the influence of it,Avatar's destructive impulse/essence invades and taints the core of Primal Beast, thus it directly affects the very makeup of the primal beast in their fundamental level minus their concept thus some are unable to resist it while some archangel is able to and even regain their sanity while tainted from it to get their control back from Avatar's Influence.
as such their resistance to madness/soul/mind manipulation should be superior even while tainted by Avatar's Void in their core
Notable Weaknesses
They still possess a weakness which is their core but due to how they can be independent to their core by tying themselves into a concept especially on Primarchs they do not possess conventional weakness that the Primal Beast has, although they can still be separated from the concept they tied themselves into their connection to said the concept is resistant which not even the Supreme Primarch can forcefully remove and they had to cede their roles back to nature themselves.Speaker's and the 2 half of "Omnipotent"
The speakers and the 2 Gods are still an enigma, though we have a lot of encounters with the Sky-God, the astral God remains elusive and the true nature of speakers remains unclear, but from what we can gather, The Speaker's is referred to as God's in the ending of What Makes the Sky Blue 000, the narrator itself said that God's played a part and that implied Sahar/Lucio to be one as he is the only one that fits the frame who directly interacted with Lucilius to halt the Chaos encroachment, and it cannot be Lyria nor Vyrn because despite them being vessels, they are more akin to Chalice and the Entity of Sky-God and Astral God is separate from their existence and they are more of an extension of their being.with that said we still see some feats and abilities performed by the Speakers due to them being a playable character.
Explanation about Granblue Fantasy Cosmology will be necessary here
To Start off their existence is completely separate from their Physical Body, although their Physical Body does possess their abilities and strength. Lucio/Sahar was seen capable of manipulating celestial bodies with ease in his Summer Fate Story and as the main story goes as well Gods are the definition of reality. They can also directly tap into people's subconscious and dream capable of linking them and summoning them into a dimension. They also function on different Causality as they created the Causality, Laws of Physics and logic, possibly even Space-time as the concept of history Akasha are capable of affecting all the space-time of Sky-realm as it is History given form by Astrals. and as it goes they consider chaos in the crimson horizon as powers that not even God's possess and everything that makes up the Sky-realm are all created by Omni-Bahamut which would include concepts and Abstract beings. Omni-Bahamut should possess Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 for being able to create Providence and concepts as tools before creating Sky-realm which directly opposes chaos that preceded time or is unbounded from it and that eroding someone's providence with chaos is equivalent to reducing one's existence and being into chaos which is a type of nonexistence that not even Astrals ability to turn 0 into 1 and manipulate concepts and give them form holds no sway over chaos and otherworld.
therefore they should gain the following abilities.
Reality Warping, Acausality (Type 4), Dream Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Life Manipulation, Death Manipulation, and Space-Time Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1),
moving on to other abilities the speaker can send entities to different dimensions/universe, Afterlife, and even to a space between dimensions or towards the crimson horizon. they can also separate one's soul from their being even Primal Beast such as Sandalphon making it wander independently from its body and even manipulated gravity making the rifts pull stronger pulling things overboard
therefore they should also gain the abilities
Gravity Manipulation, Portal Creation, BFR, and Soul Manipulation.
moving onwards we are also shown more of the speaker's abilities as someone who guide's providence and its limitations, in Lucio's Fate episode, we saw him warp reality and change reality as it moved forward after showing his memories to Captain that even Rackam who was hostile towards him shifted into a friendly attitude out of nowhere. changing the fate and the history of a specific individual who was affected by the otherworld after they have separated her essence from otherworldly beings.
the limitations would be that influence of chaos negates his ability to manipulate and requires him to personally eradicate their existence to guide the affected entity back to the correct course of reality, but this would be more of a feat from chaos and otherworld.
as such, they should also gain Fate Manipulation.
as for their resistance due to how providence holds no sway over them and how they are the one that governs it they should gain resistance to
Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation, possibly Space-Time Manipulation as they exist separately from it and history and space-time are merely their creation
I will list down profiles that will be affected by this
Primal Beast
Akasha, Cocytus, Colossus, Europa, Godsworn Alexiel, Ifrit, Inchoate World, Leviathan, Luminiera/Vira Lillie, Medusa, Nephthys, Nier, Phoenix, Poseidon, Shiva, Tiamat, Yggdrasil, Zooey.Archangel
Cerberus, Dark Angel Olivia.Primarch
Beelzebub, Avatar, Lucilius, Sandalphon.True Dragons
Druj.Speakers and 2 Gods
Bahamut, Shalem.
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