Kingofwolves999 said:
Wait, why does Azula have 0 votes now. You can't jusy remove all of her votes because the arguments for her were addressed. I only believed any votes dependent on her AP should have been removed because they stemmed from a different key, not that all of them should go. That's not how that works.
I don't know, it seems like just restarting the thread would make the most sense if something imporant changed.
Overhaul is more versatile than benders because he doesn't have to make any actual movements to use his ability, he just has to make contact, and he now has near perfect control over the entire battlefield. Benders aren't capable of near instantly doing what Overhaul does with nearly no tell whatsoever.
Psychic Benders do that and at least earthbending don't tends to tell what will happen, and what has the movement even to do with versatility?
Overhaul also has a far bigger range than benders because he gets complete control I've the ENTIRE field, not just the ability to manipulate a small portion of it. The only way to dim his control is to attack the battlefield itself, and even then he can use the fragmented pieces to make even further attacks.
I don't think Kai ever manipulated such a huge area completely, and Azula can destroy parts of the battlefield.
Azula does not have a strength advantage, as has been mentioned several times before.
Wait i thought i saw some AP calculations, but Kai don't even seem to have any numbers for his AP feats, or i at least can't find them anymore?
I have never heard this "fire shield" argument for Azula, at least not in great enough detail for it to matter, would you mind expanding on that?
Azula made this surrounding fire shield as a counter to all the four elements of the Gaang, and Sokka's boomerang:
https://imgur.com/gallery/g3Grd3p
It can deflect attacks, explode, create a smoke screen, and you obviously don't want to try going physically near that.
Overhaul can analyze and predict the movements of characters capable of pseudo teleportation, and can react to them even when he can't see them or is off guard. What skill feats does Azula have that stop Overhaul from dodging all of her attacks by analyzing her movements and moving himself with his quirk by altering the ground?
Azula was able to dodge air attacks of Aang without looking at them, that was not in book 2 but without bending, and Azula did not really change between the books. Analyzed a genetic pattern of a volleyball player and invented a plan for that on the fly by shortly glancing at their game, has shown psychological warfare and high hand to hand skills several times, and also replicated moves from other benders after fighting them. I would personally say Azula has more skill versatility than Kai, and that makes her more skilled.
If Overhaul uses his quirk to make spikes of metal, as he is in time square of New York, his AP becomes higher as Metal is generally a harder material than rocks. His AP with just rocks is already comparable to Azula's, so an increase to it would definitely make it even harder for her to beat him.
Where can i find numbers for his AP, especially with metal?
I still haven't seen an argument for Azula that deals with Overhaul just healing himself infinitely since she can't one shot him, and if she gets close he touches her and she dies.
Since when is his healing infinite that sounds like a heavy no limit fallacy, and why should Azula try to get close?
Basically, to all the people saying "Azula is so much more skilled than Overhaul so she wins," what skill feats does she actually have that prevent her from being predicted by Overhaul? What feats does she have that are so tremendously above Overhaul's own that him predicting her movements is absolutely impossible? What feats does she have against earth benders that are even remotely close to good enough for her to dodge the entire battlefield turning into an attack against her? No earth bender has EVER attacked Azula on the same level that Overhaul is going to, so what feats does she have that save her?
What skill feats has he that makes him impossible to predict going by that would both just dodge each until they lose their stamina, and since when can he completely manipulate a battlefield of the size of the whole Times Square area? Azula could just use her fake flight, and destroy whatever he creates out of the part of Times Square he manipulates, becuse he can't manipulate air or anything like that.
