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(Grace) Kai Chisaki vs S2 Azula

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Let's get into the details of this versus thread.

-Speed Equalized

-Both in Character

-Location: Open field

-Range: 35.5 meters

-Win via death

Votes:

Chisaki: 8 (Insert creative name here, Kingofwolves999, DragonEmperor23, The Prince of Counters, Schnee One, Sora and buff riku, MrDrProfessorPatricio, GoCommitDi)

Azula: 0

Inconclusive: 0
 
Interesting I'll vote Chisaki. Unless Azula onsehots him he can just keep healing himself, he also has a possible skill advantage based on his fight with Mirio and if Azula gets close she gets touched...
 
Azula has no way to one-shot him. She definitely has AP advantage, but it's not even 2x.
 
Pretty sure Azula outskills. And she never goes CQC she'll fire and lightning bend from a distance.

How does his healing work? And what are its limits?
 
Ok, but what are its limits?

What's the most it has healed? Tangibly healed, I mean. Not vague "he came back from being killed".
 
If Overhaul is allowed to touch himself, he can heal from anything. You need to remove/restrain his hands or one shot him to stop him from healing.
 
Well in that case, Azula should take this.

She's smart enough to instantly deduce that he heals from touch, and that his ability works by touching things in general. She always goes for weak spots, both psychologically and physically, and considering she has the AP advantage, can shoot lightning bolts in his face, she takes this more often than not.
 
Overhaul can turn the terrain into walls to block her attacks and if she gets close, one touch is all it takes to splatter her.
 
She won't get too close though. She always keeps herself in a distance, it's literally her fighting style, and she's smart enough to deduce his powers come from touching, considering she's done crazier things.

And the walls don't mean much, she fights earthbenders regularly, and that's their whole shtick.
 
How does Azula deal with the earth spikes insta stabbing her in her every conceivable area as an opening move from Chisaki, and then the entire battle field doing the same for the rest of the fight with no breaks? Azula is nimble but she does not seem mobile enough to evade dozens of spikes stabbing at her from all angles constantly.

Azula's best chance is hoping he doesn't dodge or block all her fire attacks while simultaneously stabbing her several times. She's strong but Chisaki's quirk is way more tactical and it's no where near obvious that his hands are the source of his power. To her he would just look like an earthbender unless he touches her.

Azula "going for weak spots" is irrelevant as Overhaul's only weakness is not something she can exploit or even figure out. He puts his hand on things and their molecules do what he tells them to, that's about it. Only speed has so far shown to be capable of overwhelming his ability to heal, and it's equal here.

Overhaul would also completely analyze Azula's moveset the second she shoots fire at him, and it takes time to use her lightning, in which he would stab and kill her. Overhaul dodges and blocks her fire with his battlefield control and just keeps stabbing till she dies tbh. The longer this fight goes on the more Chisaki analyzes and predicts her, and if she comes anywhere near him she dies.
 
Kingofwolves999 said:
How does Azula deal with the earth spikes insta stabbing her in her every conceivable area as an opening move from Chisaki, and then the entire battle field doing the same for the rest of the fight with no breaks? Azula is nimble but she does not seem mobile enough to evade dozens of spikes stabbing at her from all angles constantly.
Azula's best chance is hoping he doesn't dodge or block all her fire attacks while simultaneously stabbing her several times. She's strong but Chisaki's quirk is way more tactical and it's no where near obvious that his hands are the source of his power. To her he would just look like an earthbender unless he touches her.

Azula "going for weak spots" is irrelevant as Overhaul's only weakness is not something she can exploit or even figure out. He puts his hand on things and their molecules do what he tells them to, that's about it. Only speed has so far shown to be capable of overwhelming his ability to heal, and it's equal here.

Overhaul would also completely analyze Azula's moveset the second she shoots fire at him, and it takes time to use her lightning, in which he would stab and kill her. Overhaul dodges and blocks her fire with his battlefield control and just keeps stabbing till she dies tbh. The longer this fight goes on the more Chisaki analyzes and predicts her, and if she comes anywhere near him she dies.
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Vote Chisaki?
 
By dodging? I mean that's nothing new for her.

>Azula "going for weak spots" is irrelevant

It's not when he won't have hands anymore.

>Overhaul would also completely analyze Azula's moveset

Uhhhh.. not on the profile?

Make a CRT or something.
 
? She can dodge dozens of projectiles coming from several directions at the same time?

She won't go fr his hands, he looks like a normal earthbender to her.

His combat skill is so good he can predict the movements of people that practically teleport, let alone someone whose entire shtick is shoot fire and lightning till it dies. It's not actual analysis.
 
Yes? She's gone 1v6 without them touching her.

She will. She's deduced crazier things.

So he's just "smart". Well, I mean, so is she. Moot point.
 
1v6 is not "dodging dozens of projectiles coming at the same time from all directions without any warning other than the ground blowing up". Overhaul touches the ground, it disassembles, and now Azula is ground zero for a spike field coffin.

He touches something, it does what he says. That's it to his power. What does her deducing crazier things have to do with Overhaul's hands? He's no different from a normal earthbender to her.

Yes, overwhelmingly so, and with much better feats than Azula. He would predict her every movement and stab her. So not moot.
 
She can pseudo fly by propelling herself with the fire.

Someone healing from his face being burned off by touching it, and transforming a tree into a rock, is not an earthbender. Not to mention when she's done stuff like taking a 0.1 sec look at someone and knowing they didn't stage a prison escape without even knowing anything about the situation.

>and with much better feats than Azula

No.
 
She doesn't pseudo fly to start fights, and he can still stab her if she does unless she goes incredibly high up.

She'd need to actually hurt Overhaul to see his healing ability, which I doubt since she'll be too busy dodging the spikes. He can block all her attacks with walls and move himself by moving the ground below him, she's not catching him in any attacks.

He doesn't turn trees to rocks, he touches the ground, disassembling it, then can shape it to his will. He could turn a tree into a rock, but that's irrelevant. All Azula is going to see is him touching the ground, then the ground trying to kill her.

What reaction feats in combat from Azula are better than Overhaul getting teleported on while offgaurd, turning a different direction from the attack, and that person already being in motion to hit him, but avoiding it anyway? Overhaul can predict the movements of people he can't see and are faster than him, after seeing their ability a single time with no other context, nothing Azula has is more than what Chisaki can handle or predict.

Whether he has better feats of battle intelligence or not isn't very relevant if she just gets stabbed at over and over.
 
She doesn't need to start it during the fight. She's used it when she was falling down a house vs Aang. Was flying around and attacking Zuko and Katara in the last season etc. She does it whenever it's optimal.

She has the AP advantage, and those walls are going to be easily broken. She fights earthbenders all the time, and has never once had an issue with that.

>Teleportation

Not on the profile.

>Precog

Not on the profile.

She doesn't?

She dodges and/or breaks them. This is literally nothing new for her. She's almost never been hit once in the show, and was dodging barrages of attacks from both sides by Aang and Zuko. Not to mention even if one rock hits her, she has the dura advantage as well, it'll take a lot more than that.

And she has insane AoE, so destroying everything around her is pretty normal.
 
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Overhaul leads with this move. Does Azula dodge or die, and can she do it consistently for however long the fight is going to go on for?

I'm not saying any of those things are on his profile, you're misinterpreting my words. Mirio, a character with an ability that allows him to practically teleport when he turns it off while inside of an object, comes through the ground to hit Overhaul while he is off guard and turning away from him. Overhaul's combat awareness and skill is so high that he reacts to this blitz, and then proceeds to predict all of Mirio's movements throughout the rest of the fight. Mirio only survived because he has an ability that directly counters Overhaul's own. Azula's movements and attacks are going to be easily predicted and avoided by Overhaul.

He's not hitting her with a rock, he's stabbing her.

Overhaul raises a wall to take the brunt of the force, or moves himself out of the way, then stabs Azula with the pic I posted above.
 
She has less than a 2X AP advantage and she's going to be fighting in a forest of spikes trying to impale her the entire time. If she breaks them the broken pieces will each turn into spikes mid air and continue going after her.

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Azula just flies up and shoots fire and lightning?

I mean that's nothing she hasn't seen before, granted less spiky and more walls closing in but still.
 
And she destroys them?

I mean that's really not impressive at all. Most earthbenders are more scary than that.
 
And then once she destroys them they grow in number from the rubble.

Edit:

From what I remember of Earthbenders (Pre Korra), they mainly fought by throwing flat walls/boulders at people or by sucking them into the ground

Both of which aren't what Chisaki does.
 
She'll AoE them as usual. Firebeinding is the most destructive element, and you keep forgetting he'll be under constant pressure as well.
 
Overhaul's spikes form near instantly and are coming from every direction including above and below her. Unless she is expecting every single spike, how is she going to destroy them all? And how does that stop him from just doing it over and over again, but now accounting for her AoE?

Whether it's impressive or not in her verse doesn't matter. What matters is if Azula lives or dies in the first 2 seconds of the fight, then how she survives the rest of the fight while in a forest of spikes all trying to kill her at all times, from an enemy she's not even 2x stronger than that is analyzing and learning how to predict all of her movements every second the fight goes on.

Azula cannot end this fight fast enough before Chisaki predicts her movements and stabs her where she's not expecting, especially taking into account he can defend himself with walls and has unlimited free healing if he gets too hurt.
 
Can you give examples of her AOEing a bunch?

He'll be under less pressure since his stuff is ranged while her attacks have to travel from her to him.
 
So does everything she's fought against.

Except she doesn't? She can dodge and destroy them, and attack him because his walls are paper to her anyway.

Good luck doing that without arms I guess.
 
She's fought against someone that turns the ground near instantly into a forest of spikes, rising up to stab her from every single direction at once?

She can destroy his walls, she cannot destroy all the spikes, especially if she isn't expecting them. He touches the ground, and an instant later there are spikes surrounding Azula on all sides almost touching her, if not already stabbing her.

She can't destroy his arms without getting close, and she has to destroy both at the same time. He has and will sacrifice one arm to use the other to restore it.
 
DragonEmperor23 said:
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From the top of my head, Zuko and Aang in the dessert battle, and 1v3ing Sokka, Toph and Aang when they were invading on the solar eclipse.

Her defence is offence at the same time, she can destroy everything around her while pressuring him as well. And she can propel herself off the ground while doing it as well. Not to mention she can throw lightning bolts at him, which even under speed equalized they're faster than normal attacks.
 
The AP advantage is less than 3X, she's not going to be oneshotting his walls. Overhaul scales to tanking an attack that's above 3.19 tons vs Azula who scales to Zuko who is only able to partially block Combustion Man's 9.4 ton attacks.
 
She consistently one shots walls from comparable characters. And this guy is weaker than them.
 
"1v3ing Sokka Toph and Aang when they were invading on the solar eclipse"

> Azula 20 seconds into the video I'm watching of this very fight

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Azula has literally no experience whatsoever of dodging Attacks on Overhauls level. She dies the second he puts his hand on the ground.

Overhaul's quirk works almost instantly in terms of restoration. The moment Azula notices the ground is rising from being disassembled is the same moment she's being skewered from all directions by dozens of spikes.
 
She counters this attack by stepping on the rock. She dies if she does that against spikes, and it still doesn't cover the dozens of other spikes coming from different directions.
 
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