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deoxys black triangle survives the explosion of the meteor, and then deoxys proceeds to destroy it, can we put that in the ap section as well?
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I mean I am concerned because rayquaza is normally able to fight deoxys with in other media so it seems odd is is able to hold its own even briefly against mega rayquaza.Well that is because of Deoxys having garbage defense stats in its Normal Form, but we don't consider base stats for scaling. That said, it will definitely have the likes of "higher with Attack Form" for AP, "higher with Defense Form" for Durability, and "higher with Speed Form" for Speed
It was able to dodge and briefly block with speed and defense form respectively but it doesn’t look like it even used attack form.It was shown in the Generations specials that Mega Ray more or less dominates the entire fight, but indeed Deoxys can manage to keep up slightly thanks to form change iirc.
The generations episode shows it might actually just be the triangle.deoxys black triangle survives the explosion of the meteor, and then deoxys proceeds to destroy it, can we put that in the ap section as well?
this is what the separation does, it affects mostly legendariesI mean I am concerned because rayquaza is normally able to fight deoxys with in other media so it seems odd is is able to hold its own even briefly against mega rayquaza.
wdym?The generations episode shows it might actually just be the triangle.
Other media is irrelevant. This is a canon split, after allI mean I am concerned because rayquaza is normally able to fight deoxys with in other media so it seems odd is is able to hold its own even briefly against mega rayquaza.
I assumed that this also exists in the games I referred to other media because I didn’t actually recall the event happening in game. It seems I am simply mistaken.Other media is irrelevant. This is a canon split, after all
Currently, it's:Bump.
What is the statistics of the game version
Honestly, kinda ambiguousdidn't play scarlet and violet yet, so without plot spoilers, is terrastalize in the same ballpark as megas and gigantamax(scaling to huge power and thick club)?
i know it makes moves of the same type stronger but idk how strongerdidn't play scarlet and violet yet, so without plot spoilers, is terrastalize in the same ballpark as megas and gigantamax(scaling to huge power and thick club)?
Not that I disagree, but what was the reasoning for Megas and GMax scaling above that?Should stick to being 2x via scaling above Thick Club Marowak and Huge Power/Pure Power Pokemon
They're both boosts that are in-lore stronger than anything a regular version of the same Pokemon can outputNot that I disagree, but what was the reasoning for Megas and GMax scaling above that?
Mkay. We should add that in the justifications of Mega and GMax mons.They're both boosts that are in-lore stronger than anything a regular version of the same Pokemon can output
Send me the Abomasnow calc link, i'llCurrently, it's:
At most Low 7-B | 7-A | High 7-A
The 7-A comes from scaling to 1/10 of the final evos (Girafarig is 1/10 as strong as Farigiraf). Final evos might become 6-C (though it's barely above baseline) if my Abomasnow calc is accepted
Here you goSend me the Abomasnow calc link, i'llharashask some of the calc members to evaluate it
At most Low 7-B | 7-A | High 7-A
The 7-A comes from scaling to 1/10 of the final evos (Girafarig is 1/10 as strong as Farigiraf). Final evos might become 6-C (though it's barely above baseline) if my Abomasnow calc is accepted
Massively Hypersonic+ for the first two stages (scaling to lightning-based attacks), FTL for final stages (scaling from Golem's calc)Speed
If it can learn Strength:Lifting Strength
Same as APDurability
Stamina and Intelligence should be the same as what we have now, but I'm not sure about Range tbhStamina
Range
Intelligence
actually, even baby pokemon can learn solar beam, at least one, i checked and budew canMassively Hypersonic+ for the first two stages (scaling to lightning-based attacks)
Thanks. This is all I needed.Massively Hypersonic+ for the first two stages (scaling to lightning-based attacks), FTL for final stages (scaling from Golem's calc)
If it can learn Strength:
Class K | Class K | Class G
If it can't learn Strength:
Class 10 | Class 25 | Class G
These are all based on calcs I put in the superblog. If anyone has any issues with this scaling, please let me know, as it's the one I'm the most iffy on. Machamp's Class T calc would scale to Mega Evolutions and Gigantamaxes
Same as AP
Stamina and Intelligence should be the same as what we have now, but I'm not sure about Range tbh
While I haven't found where Budew can learn Solar Beam via leveling, Pokémon like Bulbasaur, Oddish, Sunkern, and Cherubi are perfectly capable of learning it via leveling up, so there's that.actually, even baby pokemon can learn solar beam, at least one, i checked and budew can
If it's just like how the FTL calc went, then it would be slightly above lightning speednow that i think about it, shouldn't the lighting dodging be calculated like the ftl wass? because i have saw lighting dodging earning massively hypersonic results instead of massively hypersonic+
TMs only teach a pokemon a move, they dont make them any faster, a budew that someone caught and then didnt train at all other than giving it solar beam is still as slow as normal baby pokemon, also, just looked and cleffa, igglybuff, and togepi can also learn it via TMWhile I haven't found where Budew can learn Solar Beam via leveling, Pokémon like Bulbasaur, Oddish, Sunkern, and Cherubi are perfectly capable of learning it via leveling up, so there's that.
These are wild Pokemon profiles, which only allow for level up and egg moves. Including TMs would require you to change the standard with a CRTTMs only teach a pokemon a move, they dont make them any faster, a budew that someone caught and then didnt train at all other than giving it solar beam is still as slow as normal baby pokemon, also, just looked and cleffa, igglybuff, and togepi can also learn it via TM
they dont need to have solar beam on their profiles, im just saying baby pokemon should scale to the speed, TMs dont increase stats, baby pokemon can react to solar beams from other untrained baby pokemonThese are wild Pokemon profiles, which only allow for level up and egg moves. Including TMs would require you to change the standard with a CRT
These Pokemon are so strong that they have such legends about them, making them significantly superior to final stage Pokemonthey just scaling without any reason doesn't make sense, being a legendary just means that there is myths and legends about them, it doesn't mean that they are comparable to one another just because
You keep repeating these same few things, and again I say, if baby Pokemon can't learn Solar Beam via level up, it's ineligible. Wild Pokemon don't have access to TMs. It's that simple. Doesn't matter if it doesn't increase statsthey dont need to have solar beam on their profiles, im just saying baby pokemon should scale to the speed, TMs dont increase stats, baby pokemon can react to solar beams from other untrained baby pokemon
i mean, having legends just means that they are rare or have special abilities or did important things, some are about strength sure, but i don't see why, say, celebi would have because of strength when none of the entries talks about strengthThese Pokemon are so strong that they have such legends about them, making them significantly superior to final stage Pokemon
some contentions:I think that because "minor legendaries" are a collective status for the likes of legendary trios such as the birds, the beasts, the genies, etc., they should be a similar rating. I propose that this rating is a downscale to baseline 6-B (7 teratons).
This is because of the legendary birds being portrayed as somewhat comparable to, albeit weaker than, Lugia.
They're also just very frequently shown as being above any normal Pokemon in power, this really shouldn't be controversiali mean, having legends just means that they are rare or have special abilities or did important things, some are about strength sure, but i don't see why, say, celebi would have because of strength when none of the entries talks about strength
1. It's pretty much a baseline for legendaries, especially since they're all significantly above final evossome contentions:
1 why would any legendarie scale to the birds?
2 i am pretty sure the birds and lugia have absolutely no conections in the games, it is kind of funny how the anime made us associate them so much lol
it is just that i don't remember most of them showing power? i just want to make sure that it has an explanation listed, maybe just adding some examples and then putting a note on the verse page? just to be safeThey're also just very frequently shown as being above any normal Pokemon in power, this really shouldn't be controversial
1 i don't think i got the point? the legendaries being superior to wild final evos would make the birds baseline because?1. It's pretty much a baseline for legendaries, especially since they're all significantly above final evos
2. Lugia is still considered the master of the bird trio in the games
yeah? cause thats my argument? so do youYou keep repeating these same few things,
howDoesn't matter if it doesn't increase stats