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I dunno, but the Low 2-C is still on Cyrus' profile so I assumed that's just how it is. If it's the same tier as normal, then those characters would just be 2-B, likely 2-A, which I'm also not opposed to
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Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 2: Getting to work
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The thread got halted discussing who would scale to what specifically between the trainers for each generation.
Eden_Warlock99
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Wasn't there also a thread to downgrade the restrained Dialga and Palkia to Unknown?
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the trainer doesn't exist in the universes where RR marchie and maxie came from, we already scale pokemon between games, which are alternate universes to eachother, so there would be no reason to not scale
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Doesn't change the fact that we have no evidence to prove that every legendary is as strong as the RR ones. This is especially the case as these are Trainer-owned ones, which can be significantly stronger than normal. Their wild rating (like Groudon's High 6-A) is more like a baseline.
Cyrus' entire team gives Elio trouble. Does that mean we're gonna make Honchkrow 2-B to 2-A? Of course not
Cyrus' entire team gives Elio trouble. Does that mean we're gonna make Honchkrow 2-B to 2-A? Of course not
Lou_change
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that was actually agreed on in cal's thread I think
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I'm not referring to the Protag, I'm saying the Villainous Trainer's caught these pokemon in these alternate timelines, and we know that a Trained Pokemon can vary from what a Wild Version is normally capable of, even if trained by characters such as Maxie or Archie.
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not that i remember
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No, I mean we're not gonna make all Honchkrow 2-B to 2-A because of this. RR Cyrus's will be, yes, but not just any Honchkrow. Same principle applies to the other RR members' legendaries: they won't be 2-B to 2-A just because of Trainer feats
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Oh my bad
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it would be sick if we did tho
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isnt that moltres calc only large mountain
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There's also a 6-C Dugtrio calc, btw, for greater consistency.
Edit: Correction, it's High 7-A. Here
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I know. I don’t like it. It uses the distance underground as the radius
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Hm, I see
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so, from what i see we have a very good basis on what normal mon will scale to, but what about the legendaries?
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Got a bunch of calcs in my superblog for that. Basically it should be as follows:
Minor Legendaries: At least Low 6-B
Gen 2 Main Legendaries: 6-B
Gen 3 Main Legendaries: High 6-A
Deoxys and Rayquaza: 5-B
Gen 4 Main Legendaries: 2-B, likely 2-A
Gen 5 Main Legendaries: High 6-A
Gen 6 Main Legendaries: High 6-A
Gen 7 Main Legendaries: 3-C, likely High 3-A
Gen 8 Main Legendaries: High 6-A
Gen 9 Main Legendaries: High 6-A
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Man that's a lot of high 6-A's lol
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They're all different values though
Gen 3: 216.31 petatons
Gen 5: 275.93 petatons
Gen 6: 22.58 petatons
Gen 8: 8.07 petatons
Gen 9: 4.84 petatons
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Gen 5 being the strongest, based
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simce the anime is not used anymore, i am curious, where does this value come from and why do the minor legendaries scale to it?
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whatd you change about it
Lou_change
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About legendaries why can't they scale to each other. I can't really think of many instances legendary Pokemon are portrayed as flat out superior to each other outside of trios being weaker then their master the lake trio being weaker then the creation trio and giratina being stronger than the rest of it's trio.
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Actually that's a good question. They might not scale that way anymore in the games
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they just scaling without any reason doesn't make sense, being a legendary just means that there is myths and legends about them, it doesn't mean that they are comparable to one another just because
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tbh, some of them like mew may just upscale from normal mons
Lou_change
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I mean when games like ORAS, USUM, and SS have them all at the same point as the creation trio there exist implications
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whats the lore behind that, why are they there
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Fair enough i guess
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what about the main gen 1 legendaries? mewtwo would scale to gen 6 due to being post game in x and y
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would mewtwo scale to deoxys or was that only in non-game stuff
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That was from the manga
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with this separation deoxys becomes mega rayquaza level
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Nah, because Deoxys controls the meteor, which Mega Rayquaza easily destroyed. Both would be 5-B though
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Doesn’t deoxys try to fight afterwards(that said when I played rayquaza out speed and one shot so even that seems iffy but if Pokémon generations is considered game canon it implies deoxys could react and take hits with its specialized forms)
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well, deoxys survives the meteor and then proceeds to fight mega ray, but i guess ray could upscale
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Well that is because of Deoxys having garbage defense stats in its Normal Form, but we don't consider base stats for scaling. That said, it will definitely have the likes of "higher with Attack Form" for AP, "higher with Defense Form" for Durability, and "higher with Speed Form" for Speed
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It was shown in the Generations specials that Mega Ray more or less dominates the entire fight, but indeed Deoxys can manage to keep up slightly thanks to form change iirc.
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