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Gotta Revise 'Em All, Part 1: Splitting the Pokemon Canons (Massive Pokemon CRT)

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Nah this is bull. Y'all entire argument is "I can't believe". Because your opinion supercedes TPC?
You’ve taken the “It’s unbelievable” bit out of context, it was put after a very clear chronological contradiction, which you didn’t address and instead went after the opinion expressed after said evidence, pretending it wasn’t supported by any



you have Red, who look like his 14 years old version hanging out with Selene, a character that is supposed to be 11 years old when Red is a full grown adult, but she's still 11 years old in Masters

that’s the important bit but you dodged it entirely
 
WE'VE shown proof after proof and all your argument is "Is that all? ", and "I can't believe"

Multiple Connections, and all you do is stay in disbelief.
Because none of those ''proofs'' means nothing, none of that work in the way that y'all think, you're all just twisting everything in your narrative, so yes, I don't believe anything of what y'all have presented, I still agree with OP.
 
Tbh if someone could make a summary of the argument against mine would do the job already lol.
 
You’ve taken the “It’s unbelievable” bit out of context, it was put after a very clear chronological contradiction, which you didn’t address and instead went after the opinion expressed after said evidence, pretending it wasn’t supported by any
Then you've better provide a better rebuttal than stay in disbelief.
 
Because none of those ''proofs'' means nothing
Of course.....why does it mean nothing to you then? Your agreement means nothing when all you do is "I disagree just because"
, none of that work in the way that y'all think,
How does it work then?.
you're all just twisting everything in your narrative, so yes, I don't believe anything of what y'all have presented, I still agree with OP.
Twisting?? Who's twisting anything here


As usual, you still didn't address my point and disagree just because
 
Is saying that the materials don't follow the same timeline but rather expand the same concept that is the pokemon world in the same way. Kek.
Cool. They have the same fundamentals. That is not really addressing the problem here. That's not evidence for canonical continuation of two different media.

Again, just you prove it's the same Multiverse, then you have an argument.
 
Then you've better provide a better rebuttal than stay in disbelief.
W- It’s you who is refusing to refute our point, we’re not just saying “Oh it’s just so hard to believe” we’re showing an actual chronological contradiction that shows that Masters can not possibly be legit canon to the Mainline games
 
Screw it. I wasn’t going to continue responding here but I’m asked to help while I can.
Because none of those ''proofs'' means nothing, none of that work in the way that y'all think, you're all just twisting everything in your narrative
I’m sorry, but showing actual evidence of things like exclusive characters existing in other mediums is not twisting the narrative. That is showing cross canon evidence.

What isn’t valid to do is dismiss them by being in disbelief of the mediums being connected, rather than actually proving they’re different like you should.

An example being showing the game protagonists existing in the anime canon, and the only argument used to debunk this was a disbelief fallacy saying the anime versions of them are “different” when no such evidence was posted for that.
 
Also in Masters Leon has both Eternatus and Calyrex on his team, Pokémon that were exclusively catch by the protagonists in the main game, adding another contradiction.
 
W- It’s you who is refusing to refute our point, we’re not just saying “Oh it’s just so hard to believe” we’re showing an actual chronological contradiction that shows that Masters can not possibly be legit canon to the Mainline games
Chronological Contradiction in a universe that has shown multiple Canonicical Contradictions?
 
Also in Masters Leon has both Eternatus and Calyrex on his team, Pokémon that were exclusively catch by the protagonists in the main game, adding another contradiction.
You still didn't address the point. It's mentioned canon by the Devs and tpc

Why are you dodging that.
 
Yeah. The arguements of staying in disbelief rather than address the argument doesn't make sense to me
 
Also in Masters Leon has both Eternatus and Calyrex on his team, Pokémon that were exclusively catch by the protagonists in the main game, adding another contradiction.
You do know by this same logic, Sun and Moon would somehow not be canon when Rainbow Rocket, who all come from universes where they succeeded in their goals, have legendaries that the protagonists of those games caught right?

Things like the Many Worlds Interpretation exist in Pokémon showing different possibilities exist at once. This really shouldn’t be an argument against Masters (even if I don’t care about whether it’s canon or not).
 
Where, show the proof? I'm not dodging something that I haven't see.
Alright. I'll repeat for the last time.
Pokemon.com: How do you flesh out characters who have had minimal screen time in the Pokémon RPGs? Did you work with people at The Pokémon Company to make sure your new details were in canon?

Mr. Sasaki:
We have worked with The Pokémon Company closely on details in the game, and they have of course checked our new details to make sure they fit in the world of Pokémon. One of the major new features of this game—and the content that we want to highlight—is the interaction between various Trainers. Players will be able to enjoy new and exciting interactions between Trainers who may not have interacted before
 
Chronological Contradiction in a universe that has shown multiple Canonicical Contradictions?
This is just “my favourite media is allowed to have as many contradictions as it wants because the lore got screwed over a little, everything is canon irrespective of said contradictions”
 
Yeah. The arguements of staying in disbelief rather than address the argument doesn't make sense to me

You do know by this same logic, Sun and Moon would somehow not be canon when Rainbow Rocket, who all come from universes where they succeeded in their goals, have legendaries that the protagonists of those games caught right?

Things like the Many Worlds Interpretation exist in Pokémon showing different possibilities exist at once. This really shouldn’t be an argument against Masters (even if I don’t care about whether it’s canon or not).
Because in those games they give an in-universe explanation of why it works in that way, I haven't seem something like that in Masters for the moment.
 
This is just “my favourite media is allowed to have as many contradictions as it wants because the lore got screwed over a little, everything is canon irrespective of said contradictions”
That isn’t what he’s saying and you know it

He’s saying contradictions exist because the canon directly acknowledges and allows that. The mega evolution timeline existing with the non mega evolution one proves that.
 
“Fit in the world of Pokémon” just means that it doesn’t totally go off the rails, non-canon games can “fit in the world of x” easily
Ahh, So you agree your " it's a contradiction" doesn't make much sense?
 
Alright. I'll repeat for the last time.
That only means that the characters act in the way that the canon ones do, that's just how they would react and interact with other characters if those events were canon, not that Masters is canon game, so yeah, I'm still not convinced at all.
 
“Fit in the world of Pokémon” just means that it doesn’t totally go off the rails, non-canon games can “fit in the world of x” easily
Proof after proof after proof

And the arguements boils down to "it just means" and "its
 
Ahh, So you agree your " it's a contradiction" doesn't make much sense?
No, I’m saying “fit in the world of Pokémon” does not equal “Be canon to the main universe of Pokémon” and that the contradictions actually present in game would overweight statements anyways iirc how we treat them
 
That only means that the characters act in the way that the canon ones do, that's just how they would react and interact with other characters if those events were canon, not that Masters is canon game, so yeah, I'm still not convinced at all.
Did you read it at all?

The question was about its Canonicity
 
This thread is literally the proof of this Wiki being just a bunch of echo chamber using the most dumb and pathetic excuses to discard actual evidence in favor of whatever narrative is getting adopted from the majority.

I did not expect to say this but I've seriously have lost whatever serious intent to reply to whatever thread this Wiki has from now on. Not gonna deal with stonewalling, broken discs and blatantly ignoring arguments or distorting claims which I'm seeing rn. I'm legit sick of what's happening fr. If y'all have just "not canon marketing" or "is not enough" as answer, then I'm done, these arguments are literally just reaching.

Yeah, keep manipulating author intent or blatant WoG, this Wiki's members are real good at misinterpreting literally everything in favor of the Narrative they've picked.
 
No, I’m saying “fit in the world of Pokémon” does not equal “Be canon to the main universe of Pokémon” and that the contradictions actually present in game would overweight statements anyways iirc how we treat them
The question.

Pokemon.com: How do you flesh out characters who have had minimal screen time in the Pokémon RPGs? Did you work with people at The Pokémon Company to make sure your new details were in canon?
 
Are you disregarding everything on account your belief supercedes TPC?
I’m saying that your blatantly misinterpreted by you statements mean jack shit when actual contradictions in game disprove any kind of 100% conformity to Mainline which would be what is needed
 
Because in those games they give an in-universe explanation of why it works in that way, I haven't seem something like that in Masters for the moment.
Okay but why would that need to be explained in masters?

Like I said, I don’t care if Masters is considered canon or not (personally I’ve always thought it wasn’t) but if the source material itself directly acknowledges that worlds with differences and contradictions can exist all at once and are just as real as another, then you can’t use this as an argument to dismiss Masters no more than you can use it to dismiss other mainline games from being canon to each other.
 
Are you disregarding everything on account your belief supercedes TPC?
Some writers of Ben 10 for example have said that Celestialsapiens are more than 26th dimensional in power, that is something worth of at least Hyperversal+ level, but we disregard those statements because of the amount of contradictions on the material.
 
I’m saying that your blatantly misinterpreted by you statements mean jack shit when actual contradictions in game disprove any kind of 100% conformity to Mainline which would be what is needed
I'm not. All you do is disregard all evidence disagree with no reason whatsoever. It's seriously sickening and Strym has summarized perfectly how I feel rn
 
Some writers of Ben 10 for example have said that Celestialsapiens are more than 26th dimensional in power, that is something worth of at least Hyperversal+ level, but we disregard those statements because of the amount of contradictions on the material.
This is a false equivalence as that has to do with citing things about a characters power that the material doesn’t back up and we tend to not accept author statements from social media answers in general because it’s not an official interview, it’s a quick fan response.

Masudas comment is nothing of the sort whatsoever
 
Some writers of Ben 10 for example have said that Celestialsapiens are more than 26th dimensional in power, that is something worth of at least Hyperversal+ level, but we disregard those statements because of the amount of contradictions on the material.
Rainbow Rocket, who all come from universes where they succeeded in their goals, have legendaries that the protagonists of those games caught right?

This is a multiverse vs a universe. Mega and Non Mega timelines exist.
 
I'm not. All you do is disregard all evidence disagree with no reason whatsoever. It's seriously sickening and Strym has summarized perfectly how I feel rn
i feel exactly the same way, “screw the actual game, this author kinda implies it’s canon in an interview, that is superior to everything else!”
 
The question.

Pokemon.com: How do you flesh out characters who have had minimal screen time in the Pokémon RPGs? Did you work with people at The Pokémon Company to make sure your new details were in canon?
Were in canon is another way of saying that they need to act in the way that the canon one would do, considering that the original question was about the character PERSONALITY.
 
Were in canon is another way of saying that they need to act in the way that the canon one would do, considering that the original question was about the character PERSONALITY.
"Another WAY" ..... NO THERE'S NO ANOTHER WAY

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID
 
his is a false equivalence as that has to do with citing things about a characters power that the material doesn’t back up and we tend to not accept author statements from social media answers in general because it’s not an official interview, it’s a quick fan response.

Masudas comment is nothing of the sort whatsoever
actually they did it on their official website and only once in 2018. i am talking about the man of action QnA and it wasn't a quick response.This would be off topic so no talk about that please
 
Okay and what about actual characters from across mediums appearing in each other?

Alain and Ash in the games

Lucas, Brenden and Rei (and possibly Gen 2 characters because of Pokémon Chronicles) showing up in the anime

Are these somehow “just” personality similarities and not the literal characters appearing too?
 
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