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Goku vs Kirby
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Considering this is non-canon GT Goku, there was a calculation that placed his speed (technically Bojack's travel speed) at almost a million times speed of light. EoS GT Goku, but comparison, would be much much faster than this (the FTL+ speed for Goku isn't doing him justice in my opinion).
I am not sure about Kirby's travel/combat speed, but if it is comparable to Goku's speed, Kirby should be able to take this one due to his myriad of abilities available.
One can make the argument that Goku is intelligent and battle savvy enough to avoid most of Kirby's abilities, however. Kirby won't like any form of energy blasts fired from Goku either.
I am not sure about Kirby's travel/combat speed, but if it is comparable to Goku's speed, Kirby should be able to take this one due to his myriad of abilities available.
One can make the argument that Goku is intelligent and battle savvy enough to avoid most of Kirby's abilities, however. Kirby won't like any form of energy blasts fired from Goku either.
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Kirby for reasons Speed: Kirby, during the end of Kirby and the rainbow curse, he used the warp star to fly from his own galaxy to the earth within minutes, also he outran legit black holes{https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9ZNoHKnTVU}{1:00-1:05}. Goku may be close, however instant transmission is not speed Durability: Kirby tanked attacks from villains like magolor who could destroy the whole universe, while goku can tank hits from beerus when in ssg form, also beerus was surprised when he saw goku turn kaoken and ssb. It's a tie
Strength: Kirby, believe it or not, during the amazing mirror, their was a minigame called crackity hack. During the amazing mirror timeline, Kirby was separated into 4 and his power got separated leaving him with 1/4 of his power. During the minigame, the 4 Kirby have to see who can crack the earth, and get ready to hear this.........Kirby only used 1/4 of his power. Even Goku couldn't do that with a punch at 1/4 of power
Experience: Goku, training for most of his life and faced more enemies
In conclusion, Kirby could win by copying goku's abilities, close battle though
Strength: Kirby, believe it or not, during the amazing mirror, their was a minigame called crackity hack. During the amazing mirror timeline, Kirby was separated into 4 and his power got separated leaving him with 1/4 of his power. During the minigame, the 4 Kirby have to see who can crack the earth, and get ready to hear this.........Kirby only used 1/4 of his power. Even Goku couldn't do that with a punch at 1/4 of power
Experience: Goku, training for most of his life and faced more enemies
In conclusion, Kirby could win by copying goku's abilities, close battle though
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Kirby has similar speed (giving Goku the new calc). it's his hax and broken absorption, along with the fact that the warp star increases his speed incredibly that gives him (Kirby) the win.
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Kirby with his hax
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Kirby's defeat of Magalor is an outlier on this wiki.Radicalcoolade1 said:
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how is it a outlier, I mean it did happen in the canonical timeline
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Just because an outlier is canon doesn't mean it isn't an outlier. An outlier is a feat that is majorly contradicted by all the character's other feats. Apparently Kirby has consistently struggled with people on a FAR lesser scale than Magolor both before and after that game. (However my knowledge of Kirby is limited. I am not the best person to discuss this with. I am only telling you why this site sees it as an outlier.)Radicalcoolade1 said:
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Actually, I think outliers sometime aren't right because 1.It's like saying goku fighting beerus or hit is an outlier because he mostly fought solar system level villians before like cell and buu{possibly a litle more stronger} 2.Wouldnt a feat be a feat because Kirby did fight very powerful beings.
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Not saying every feat in fiction is correct, just certain reasonable ones
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Goku recieved a new godly transformation, so him performing feats on a vastly larger scale would make sense in that case. Kirby I believe recieved no such increase during that fight (but once again my memory on the Kirby games is very foggy)Radicalcoolade1 said:
Also not only before but afterwards Kirby has apparently struggled against lesser beings.
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Kirby makes more sense to have those feats too. Like he could POSSIBLY, or more likely destroy a planet with 1/4 strength. Also, he has hypernova powers, so yeah
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Pretty sure I've said this before, but one of the reasons for Magolor being such a major outlier is the fact that in the very next game (Triple Deluxe), he was actually put in danger and almost lost (which is unusual, actually) to an enemy whose best statements in game were Tier 5.Ryukama said:
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Who would that be, and could you show me footage. Hard to remember
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Queen Sectonia. Final battle of the game.
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I mean, he could be close, for example look at this video of how powerful his inhale ability is and you know that his stomach is a different dimension right,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F9E1Q7-oRU now you do realize it's a theory but possible
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Kirby used Super Abilities to defeat one of Maga's forms. But all of Maga's later forms were the ones Kirby beat without super abilities.Ryukama said:
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That theory is based off of the anime, which is considered non-canon here.Radicalcoolade1 said:
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also Queen Sectonia is solar level and you could defeat those bosses without taking damage, nice research however, and could easily defeat nova
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Also Nintendo doesn't really confirm what is canon, possibly not or possibly is.
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@Radicalcoolade What Arbitrary said about the anime. Also from your 1/4 statement and this "you can defeat her without taking damage" I believe you are greatly unaware of the true gap levels of destructive capability hold. I recommend you read the Attack Potency page.
The gap between Solar System and Multi Solar System alone is literally over a trillion times. So clearly casually beating Queen wouldn't remotely be close a to Universe Level feat.
The gap between Solar System and Multi Solar System alone is literally over a trillion times. So clearly casually beating Queen wouldn't remotely be close a to Universe Level feat.
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I never said Nintendo confirmed it to be non-canon, I just said that the anime is considered it to be non-canon on this website. I've seen people on other sites argue that it is canon, but on this wikia, for the time being, it isn't considered to be.
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Seriously. The Super Abilities need to be scaled to Magolor. There's no reason it shouldn't be. Just saying.
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I was thinking the same thing. People always argue that base Kirby should be scaled to him, and they always miss what they should be arguing for.
Kirby did use the Super Abilities take out one of Magalor's forms (don't remember which one), but the rest of the forms were beaten by base Kirby if I remember correctly.
Kirby did use the Super Abilities take out one of Magalor's forms (don't remember which one), but the rest of the forms were beaten by base Kirby if I remember correctly.
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Okay, you got me there. However, listen carefully, one thing before I leave. Did you know Master Hand is canon in Kirby's universe, right? and he could also create a universe and yet Kirby defeated him. Considering the fact if he could defeated Master Hand, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXF56HcChIs , he could defeat Magolor, and even though he is an outlier, he would be multi solar. and yeah the SITE says the anime non-canon, and considering the fact that Kirby himself has control of the Super arsenal, that still makes the feat not an outlier.
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It was used to take out 1st form crowned Magolor and Magolor EX.ArbitraryNumbers said:
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That was likely just a cameo appearance. I doubt its the same Master Hand, more like just a reference to the Smash series. Not to mention Smash is also considered non-canon here as well, and is treated as its own separate universe.Radicalcoolade1 said:
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can krbey fitet hand too hand on a warp star? sorry for spelling
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@LoudCloud I already said I wasn't too familiar with this topic and was simply explaining to him the reason why it's considered an outlier here. However Azzy brought up a villai after the game Kirby struggled with that was nowhere close to Universe Level in feats or statements.
Considering that the gap between MSS and Multi-Galaxy is in the hundreds of billions, let alone the gap between that and physical universe, Kirby having struggled with MSS entities on multiple occasions before and struggled with a vastly weaker being afterwards, I am personally inclined to believe Kirby is 4-A with Magolor being a big outlier as well.
Considering that the gap between MSS and Multi-Galaxy is in the hundreds of billions, let alone the gap between that and physical universe, Kirby having struggled with MSS entities on multiple occasions before and struggled with a vastly weaker being afterwards, I am personally inclined to believe Kirby is 4-A with Magolor being a big outlier as well.
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Kirby via hax.
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And speed.
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@LoudCloud Kirby has struggled with those characters. He didn't instantly one shot them. He didn't casually blitz them or dodge all of their attacks. He didn't tank them with no damage. And like Azzy said he almost lost to that Bee character. Yes Kirby's innocent and childlike demenour shows he doesn't take the situation itself too seriously. But he is still physically having difficulty defeating these characters.
Also once again check the calc I linked you to regarding the physical universe. Maybe Kirby could likely be holding back a bit. But do you honestly think that Kirby is restricting his power by the SEPTILLIONS? That is just absurd.
Also once again check the calc I linked you to regarding the physical universe. Maybe Kirby could likely be holding back a bit. But do you honestly think that Kirby is restricting his power by the SEPTILLIONS? That is just absurd.
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Kirby takes this with low difficulty. He has a massive advantage in versatility, hax, and speed. And his Dura and AP aren't far behind either.
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@LoudCloud this is getting far too speculative now. Which do you think is more likely?
That the 3 times Kirby struggled against a Multi Solar System entity, he was not only holding back (which this is already speculation since nothing in the story states or suggests he is holding back. Just that his natural naivety does not take the dire situation itself seriously) but that he was also using only one 10 septillionth of his power? Or that the 1 time Kirby beat a Universe Level being is simply an outlier?
Look at all these leaps and assumptions you are making. "What if Kirby is holding back?" "What if Kirby is secretly restricting himself by the septillions?" "What if Sectonia is Universe Level despite absolutely nothing suggesting this?"
What if this is just an outlier? You are severly complicating things and constantly throwing away logic just for a character to be at a level he has consistently shown not to be at. Imagine if we upgraded every character by the septillions out of pure speculation? Every profile here would be an absolute mess and no one would take us seriously.
That the 3 times Kirby struggled against a Multi Solar System entity, he was not only holding back (which this is already speculation since nothing in the story states or suggests he is holding back. Just that his natural naivety does not take the dire situation itself seriously) but that he was also using only one 10 septillionth of his power? Or that the 1 time Kirby beat a Universe Level being is simply an outlier?
Look at all these leaps and assumptions you are making. "What if Kirby is holding back?" "What if Kirby is secretly restricting himself by the septillions?" "What if Sectonia is Universe Level despite absolutely nothing suggesting this?"
What if this is just an outlier? You are severly complicating things and constantly throwing away logic just for a character to be at a level he has consistently shown not to be at. Imagine if we upgraded every character by the septillions out of pure speculation? Every profile here would be an absolute mess and no one would take us seriously.
