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When you consider that Kirby isn't even effected by the multi-solar system attack in ANY way. At all! Not even a tiny flinch! Yeah, I'd say he is holding back. https://youtu.be/uu60izB4tbY?t=2m55sRyukama said:
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Goku vs Kirby
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@LoudCloud at this point it seems to me that you are wanking, the very evidence you produced has Kirby being damaged and flinching at 3:20 for crying out loud. Even if the evidence didn't have him flinching, it would still not be proof that hes holding back to such extremeities.
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Just because Kirby can tank that MSS attack doesn't mean he can tank all MSS attacks. Tiers are EXTREMELY broad. Kirby had gotten hurt by other characters of similar power, which consistently would put him in the 4-A range.
Also I said earlier that he could likely be holding back at times, but saying he holds back by the SEPTILLIONS is an extraordinary claim. And for extraordinary claims you need extraordinary evidence, which you have far from provided.
Upgrading Kirby to Universe based off tanking that MSS attack is no less absurd than making Saitama Multi Galaxy for tanking being thrown though a building.
Also I said earlier that he could likely be holding back at times, but saying he holds back by the SEPTILLIONS is an extraordinary claim. And for extraordinary claims you need extraordinary evidence, which you have far from provided.
Upgrading Kirby to Universe based off tanking that MSS attack is no less absurd than making Saitama Multi Galaxy for tanking being thrown though a building.
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@Loudcloud if you consider it to be gameplay mechanics after this is disproven: "When you consider that Kirby isn't even effected by the multi-solar system attack in ANY way. " it really sounds like wank
Devil's Advocate? You are not at all playing the devil's advocate, do you know the definition of a devil's advocate?
Devil's Advocate? You are not at all playing the devil's advocate, do you know the definition of a devil's advocate?
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But I don't understand this. So Kirby being hurt by a waddle dee or Mario being killed by a goomba is just "gampleplay mechanics", but whenever a boss does it, it's counted as an actual limit to their durability? What's to stop me from saying Kirby getting hurt by Dark Nebula's later attacks is just "gameplay mechanics" and that his Magolor feat is the real deal?Ryukama said:
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@LoudCloud Umm I never once agued game mechanics. I am simply saying that this is an outlier. Also enemies within a game and bosses that are portrayed within the cutscenes and storyline are completely different. Waddle Dee and Goombas are gameplay enemies. Magolor and Nebula are bosses. So you cannot sau Nebula is game mechanics and Magolor is not.
You see, obviously characters will never be entirely consistent. For indexing powers we need to take the median of their abilities or what they have shown to be capable of the most amount of times.
Most of Kirby's showings portray him as a MSS entity. Just like how we have to discard ridiclous lowballs that make him vastly weaker such as getting hurt by an umbrealla, we need to discard ridiculous highballs that make him septillions of times stronger.
You see, obviously characters will never be entirely consistent. For indexing powers we need to take the median of their abilities or what they have shown to be capable of the most amount of times.
Most of Kirby's showings portray him as a MSS entity. Just like how we have to discard ridiclous lowballs that make him vastly weaker such as getting hurt by an umbrealla, we need to discard ridiculous highballs that make him septillions of times stronger.
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If it's end of GT Kirby could take it. Goku has a HUGE DC edge but Kirby's way faster. Inhale hax is tough to take down too.
I say Kirby takes it 6/10
I say Kirby takes it 6/10
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I think this can be added now. I'm pretty sure there are enough Kirby votes.
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I do believe goku can get out of kirby's stomach since he can teleport to other dimensions like he did when he went from Earth to hell.
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This is a bit tricky. Kirby outclasses Goku in almost every catagory except for a massive ap/dura disadvantage. I also think Kirby's hax should give him a huge edge and I ultimately see him winning with high difficulty because of it.
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Let's see,this is end of GT Goku post 100 gap with absorbed DB.Also in GT he literally broke dimension with kamehameha,so even if he inhales him,he'll just destroy it or IT out of there.GT Goku's speed is also great,not to metion much great AP / Dura that Goku has over Kirby
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He's never going to hit Kirby and is vulnerable to Kirby's hax besides stomach dimension. He'll eventually suffocate anyway. Kirby will repeatedly be dunking him before Goku can get a breath of air.LTB2000 said:
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He never did that. He just opened a wormhole which took energy to do.Šakacrophejter said:
Goku's speed is nonexistant compared to Kirby's. FTL+ vs MFTL+ to an absurd degree. He'll never hit Kirby.
Kirby can ignore that dura through hax.
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Right, and Kirby is still a much higher tier of MFTL than Goku.
@LTB
You're just trying to get a win for Goku since Goku has a massive AP edge.
Right, and Kirby is still a much higher tier of MFTL than Goku.
@LTB
You're just trying to get a win for Goku since Goku has a massive AP edge.
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Bruce is right. Kirby's speed is still greater than Goku's, and that's without the warpstar. Kirby has his basic inhale hax, but even then, he can possess Goku and then delete him from existence.
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His speed is the same on and off the Warp Star TBH. He keeps up with people comparable to it without the Warp Star.The real cal howard said:
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This is not a stomp in any way, however, and again I say that I suspect you're just trying to get DBZ a win.
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@Bruce. Kirby's reactions are the same as the warpstar 's, but his movement speed gets increased greatly.
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Not when the character is also vastly outclassed in power/dura.
And you're reasoning is flawed.
And you're reasoning is flawed.
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Can someone give me the tally?
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Because it doesn't change the fact that Kirby will dunk him back into his dimension before he can take a breath of fresh air. And Kirby has intangibility and dura-ignoring hax to deal with Goku's AP/Dura edge.LTB2000 said:
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Kirby will still dunk him before Goku can even think to use it.
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It's like putting slamming someone underwater, them getting out, then putting them back in.
Goku can't keep that up forever.
Goku can't keep that up forever.
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This match is just ridicilous,first we don't have any clue how strong & fast end of GT goku is.He was literally shown for a few sec after 100 year gap
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He won't be able to since Kirby will speedblitz before he can even raise his hand
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He's also much smarter than Goku since he's got better academic feats. Kirby is not an idiot and has only been tricked my extremely skilled manipulators such as Magolor. Goku does not qualify for that.LTB2000 said:
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