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Gods of Future Manipulators: Yhwach vs Nafta
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We were just arguing about who is a better future manipulator. Dats all
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If he did it to all the infinite futures
I agree
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I actually forgot that yhwach broke all bankais over the infinite amount of futures, and that there's no possibility of undoing it, since the future doesn't exist
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So what I said exactly the whole time
, it was a non-existent future. Ya alright.
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If he can manipulate even non-existent futures, then I assume so?
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Yeah, though it all comes down to who has the stronger fate manipulation
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Don’t think it was ever stated that the future doesn’t exist. That wasn’t stated in Yhwach’s ability IIRC. If there is infinite futures, it means they are also existing. Not exactly non existent per se.
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I also don't remember that honestly. I was confused at the start since I never knew he could manipulate to that extent.
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It was never been stated that the future never exist or anything when Yhwach was manipulated the future IIRC. Just he alter the futures and stuff to his favor. Hell, I used to read the Thousand Years Blood War arc, but my memories isn’t in the best of shape.
Still it is just Yhwach manipulate the futures to his advantage
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Because for me, if he does not manipulate non-existent future, then he is same as Nafta. They choose a possible future from infinite pre-existing futures and goes to that path.
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Lol, that was a bait link.
Also technically this VS debating is already over anyway.
Also technically this VS debating is already over anyway.
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How is that a bait link?
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I was expecting a scan from the Bleach manga.
Anyway, while I have no interest in VS debating generally, clarifications is something I tend to on specific things.
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It is a scan from the bleach manga??
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Nah, it isn’t.
Anyway, some messing around aside, can we get a mod to close this if this is a stomp?
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Are you delusional?
It's straight from the manga
It's straight from the manga
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I know you are trolling this hard, but dude, that is something I wouldn’t encourage doing.
Anyway, when I clicked on the link, it got redirected elsewhere plus it says “rewrite the future”.
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It say “Power of Rejection” as in she trying to erase the outcome. That wasn’t Yhwach’s ability at all. That is Orihime’s ability as she was trying to fix Ichigo’s Bankai which was broken prior to that scene.Are you dumb mate?
The link is straight from yhwach's profile?
Click on the "Yhwach can destroy something in all possible futures" link, that's the imgur i posted
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Seems like you're the one that's trolling actually
It's about yhwach being capable of breaking ichigo's bankai in ALL possible futures by rewriting the future with his fate manipulation
So it's not just "yhwach choosing a future" no, he can actively alter all possibilites at once.
It's about yhwach being capable of breaking ichigo's bankai in ALL possible futures by rewriting the future with his fate manipulation
So it's not just "yhwach choosing a future" no, he can actively alter all possibilites at once.
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Seems like you didn’t read my earlier reply to Dread. I was literally say Yhwach was manipulating the futures. That wasn’t even me trolling. The claim you made earlier @Hellscream that the future was non existent which isn’t stated at all.
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I didn't clain that the future was non existent what are you saying?
I said it doesn't mean that because an infinite amount of futures exist, that there's always a possibility of something happening, a good example would be in this fight, there is no future where yhwach wins out of infinite possibilities.
I said it doesn't mean that because an infinite amount of futures exist, that there's always a possibility of something happening, a good example would be in this fight, there is no future where yhwach wins out of infinite possibilities.
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?? This is implying if not outright saying a non existent future.
The future not being existing is a odd thing to say since the future is always in motion.
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The future is always in motion, while yhwach watches above every single one of those infinite amount of futures, capable of rewriting them to his will.
It obviously says in the bleach scan, that among the infinite possibilities, there is no future where ichigo's bankai isn't broken.. so that future obviously doesn't exist?
It obviously says in the bleach scan, that among the infinite possibilities, there is no future where ichigo's bankai isn't broken.. so that future obviously doesn't exist?
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Not necessarily true.
That future isn’t non existent. It is the outcome of Ichigo’s Bankai not being broken never occurred at all.
This goes into what I was saying. Yhwach is altering the futures to his advantage.
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How is it not non existent when yhwach, who has control over an infinite amount of futures, destroyed his bankai in all of them?
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You just answered your own question earlier. It is from Yhwach rewriting the futures.
Hell, even the manga scan you provided is proof of that.
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Mate...
Yes, it is from yhwach rewriting the futures what about it?
So, is there still a future where ichigo's bankai isn't broken? No, there isn't.
Does that mean that that future is existent or non existent?
Yes, it is from yhwach rewriting the futures what about it?
So, is there still a future where ichigo's bankai isn't broken? No, there isn't.
Does that mean that that future is existent or non existent?
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If yhwach has full control over an infinite amount of futures, he can obviously eliminate the possibility of something happening, and therefore making it non existent..
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It is existent because of the fact they exist even after Yhwach rewriting them
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No it's not, they don't exist
which is stated in the scan you posted earlier
lol
As i said, yhwach having control of an infinite amount of futures and being able to rewrite them, makes him able to make certain futures / possibilites non existent
it's really simple tbh
which is stated in the scan you posted earlier
lol
As i said, yhwach having control of an infinite amount of futures and being able to rewrite them, makes him able to make certain futures / possibilites non existent
it's really simple tbh
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That is nowhere close to being true. Also it is not even stated since it mentioned another ability.
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Nah, you have 0 arguments tbh you haven't provided any proof at all and are just speaking nonsense at this point
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Dude, it does outright say “All possible futures” so I don’t think you can end the debate like that since you pretty much being a bit pushy with your reasoning.
Anyway, we getting kinda off topic and this thread does need to get closed anyway.
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Tbh, there is no proof that the futures that he can manipulate are non-existent. Seems an upgrade tho
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