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Gods of Future Manipulators: Yhwach vs Nafta

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I don't see what's so hard to understand tbh.

Yhwach has Fate Manipulation. His Fate Manipulation lets him directly alter the future to achieve the result he wants. That's it. Boom
 
azontr said:
I don't see what's so hard to understand tbh.

Yhwach has Fate Manipulation. His Fate Manipulation lets him directly alter the future to achieve the result he wants. That's it. Boom
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We were just arguing about who is a better future manipulator. Dats all
 
The simple fact that Yhwach was able to actively break Ichigo's Bankai in every future proves he must have altered said futures and not just chosen one between them

Nafta stomps but Yhwach has better fate manipulation, end of thread
 
Purgy said:
The simple fact that Yhwach was able to actively break Ichigo's Bankai in every future proves he must have altered said futures and not just chosen one between them

Nafta stomps but Yhwach has better fate manipulation, end of thread
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If he did it to all the infinite futures
I agree
 
I actually forgot that yhwach broke all bankais over the infinite amount of futures, and that there's no possibility of undoing it, since the future doesn't exist
 
Hellscream said:
I actually forgot that yhwach broke all bankais over the infinite amount of futures, and that there's no possibility of undoing it, since the future doesn't exist
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So what I said exactly the whole time 💀, it was a non-existent future. Ya alright.
 
Hellscream said:
I actually forgot that yhwach broke all bankais over the infinite amount of futures, and that there's no possibility of undoing it, since the future doesn't exist
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Don’t think it was ever stated that the future doesn’t exist. That wasn’t stated in Yhwach’s ability IIRC. If there is infinite futures, it means they are also existing. Not exactly non existent per se.
 
I also don't remember that honestly. I was confused at the start since I never knew he could manipulate to that extent.
 
Dread said:
I also don't remember that honestly. I was confused at the start since I never knew he could manipulate to that extent.
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It was never been stated that the future never exist or anything when Yhwach was manipulated the future IIRC. Just he alter the futures and stuff to his favor. Hell, I used to read the Thousand Years Blood War arc, but my memories isn’t in the best of shape.

Still it is just Yhwach manipulate the futures to his advantage
 
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Because for me, if he does not manipulate non-existent future, then he is same as Nafta. They choose a possible future from infinite pre-existing futures and goes to that path.
 
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Hellscream said:
Are you dumb mate?
The link is straight from yhwach's profile?
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Click on the "Yhwach can destroy something in all possible futures" link, that's the imgur i posted
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It say “Power of Rejection” as in she trying to erase the outcome. That wasn’t Yhwach’s ability at all. That is Orihime’s ability as she was trying to fix Ichigo’s Bankai which was broken prior to that scene.
 
Seems like you're the one that's trolling actually

It's about yhwach being capable of breaking ichigo's bankai in ALL possible futures by rewriting the future with his fate manipulation
:)

So it's not just "yhwach choosing a future" no, he can actively alter all possibilites at once.
 
HammerStrikes219 said:
It was never been stated that the future never exist or anything when Yhwach was manipulated the future IIRC. Just he alter the futures and stuff to his favor. Hell, I used to read the Thousand Years Blood War arc, but my memories isn’t in the best of shape.

Still it is just Yhwach manipulate the futures to his advantage
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Seems like you didn’t read my earlier reply to Dread. I was literally say Yhwach was manipulating the futures. That wasn’t even me trolling. The claim you made earlier @Hellscream that the future was non existent which isn’t stated at all.
 
I didn't clain that the future was non existent what are you saying?
I said it doesn't mean that because an infinite amount of futures exist, that there's always a possibility of something happening, a good example would be in this fight, there is no future where yhwach wins out of infinite possibilities.
 
Hellscream said:
I actually forgot that yhwach broke all bankais over the infinite amount of futures, and that there's no possibility of undoing it, since the future doesn't exist
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?? This is implying if not outright saying a non existent future.

The future not being existing is a odd thing to say since the future is always in motion.
 
The future is always in motion, while yhwach watches above every single one of those infinite amount of futures, capable of rewriting them to his will.
It obviously says in the bleach scan, that among the infinite possibilities, there is no future where ichigo's bankai isn't broken.. so that future obviously doesn't exist?
 
Hellscream said:
The future is always in motion, while yhwach watches above every single one of those infinite amount of futures, capable of rewriting them to his will.
It obviously says in the bleach scan, that among the infinite possibilities, there is no future where ichigo's bankai isn't broken.. so that future obviously doesn't exist?
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Not necessarily true.

That future isn’t non existent. It is the outcome of Ichigo’s Bankai not being broken never occurred at all.

This goes into what I was saying. Yhwach is altering the futures to his advantage.
 
How is it not non existent when yhwach, who has control over an infinite amount of futures, destroyed his bankai in all of them?
 
Mate...
Yes, it is from yhwach rewriting the futures what about it?
So, is there still a future where ichigo's bankai isn't broken? No, there isn't.
Does that mean that that future is existent or non existent?
 
If yhwach has full control over an infinite amount of futures, he can obviously eliminate the possibility of something happening, and therefore making it non existent..
 
Hellscream said:
Mate...
Yes, it is from yhwach rewriting the futures what about it?
So, is there still a future where ichigo's bankai isn't broken? No, there isn't.
Does that mean that that future is existent or non existent?
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It is existent because of the fact they exist even after Yhwach rewriting them
 
No it's not, they don't exist
which is stated in the scan you posted earlier
lol
As i said, yhwach having control of an infinite amount of futures and being able to rewrite them, makes him able to make certain futures / possibilites non existent
it's really simple tbh
 
Nah, you have 0 arguments tbh you haven't provided any proof at all and are just speaking nonsense at this point
 
Hellscream said:
Nah, you have 0 arguments tbh you haven't provided any proof at all and are just speaking nonsense at this point
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Dude, it does outright say “All possible futures” so I don’t think you can end the debate like that since you pretty much being a bit pushy with your reasoning.

Anyway, we getting kinda off topic and this thread does need to get closed anyway.
 
Hellscream said:
Nah, you have 0 arguments tbh you haven't provided any proof at all and are just speaking nonsense at this point
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Tbh, there is no proof that the futures that he can manipulate are non-existent. Seems an upgrade tho
 
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