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God of War: Ragnarok Discussion Thread

Would be kind of annoying if GoW needs to delve into multiple pantheons (meaning several more games) just to get to tier 1.

Other similar verses seem to be more dense with feats and statements and can get there more quickly and efficiently even with less material. Lol.

By the time GoW is 1C, 'rival' verses will probably have Tier 0 feats 🤣
 
Maybe if Nintendo can get their head out of there asses tier 3 and up Link can be a thing again. Lol

Not this tier 6 to tier 5 starvation tier 😭
 
Besides, it's all Subjective. If you really want to wank, you can say they've already reached Tier 1, and the Ygg is Hyperversal, as we got official confirmation of infinite dimensions existing. But more in game context is need for it to be applied.

But hey, this ain't the end all be all, if you wish to argue tier 1 everywhere else, cool.

Look at me, I have Post Crisis Superman at Low 2-C, and argue for it off site all time.
 
Im good, was just commenting. Not really taking anything serious.

But Official confirmation of infinite dimensions where?

Sounds bogus to me.

And nah there's plenty of wank available with Polygon Man scaling and now official acknowledgement of that game in the story, but it's a grimy argument that even I don't like.

I love when things are completely out in the open and uncontroversial.
 
Yeah, just gotta find that list KingTempest posted in this mess.

But I'm itching to get the BoC and Blades of Athena profiles done first, but the renders for those haven't been done yet.
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Where do you get them being different universes from this?
The Pantheons have always been separate from each other since like, forever. They're separated by "geographical divides" as per Cory Barlog and Bruno Velazquez who have time and time again re-iterated as such in many interviews, and the term "realms" is not interchangeable with them.
 
The Pantheons have always been separate from each other since like, forever. They're separated by "geographical divides" as per Cory Barlog and Bruno Velazquez who have time and time again re-iterated as such in many interviews, and the term "realms" is not interchangeable with them.
The Threads of Fate in Greek Pantheon also span all life and time, but it does not influence any other Pantheon outside of their control.

Poseidon was once God of All Seas in the Greek World, but now he is dead.

The Universe Creation myths are also wildly different for each Pantheon.
 
Cory also states that these geographical divides are more or less akin to seeing each Pantheon as a separate galaxy in the "greater universe" of God of War as per some Hubble Telescope images of said IRL galaxies.
 
(Nice Job) Also KLOL

Quick favor, is it possible to add on the amount of universes they scale to in the profiles? Like what's being spoken of in the 2-C/2-B thread?
 
(Nice Job) Also KLOL

Quick favor, is it possible to add on the amount of universes they scale to in the profiles? Like what's being spoken of in the 2-C/2-B thread?
Of course. A lot of the GOW profiles have it already because of the shitshow that happened way back in 2018. I will fix them up shortly.

I can also add the cosmology blogs to them just in case as is tradition for most GOW profiles.

Will need assistance with weapon profiles tho, a lot of them need it. Especially the Greek stuff.
 
The Pantheons have always been separate from each other since like, forever. They're separated by "geographical divides" as per Cory Barlog and Bruno Velazquez who have time and time again re-iterated as such in many interviews, and the term "realms" is not interchangeable with them.
Except when GoW talks about realms they're referring to the 9 realms. The writers of 2018 have said that they old games and new games are part of the same planet with Midgard just being the Norse God's name for Earth and that the two areas are separated by the ocean which this Kratos and Atreus conversation backs up. Barlog has also flip flopped between how the cosmology works but he's said before that it's all on one Earth. Everything points to it all being on one world. Velazquez has also said five days ago that Midgard is in fact just Earth and that Kratos simply sailed there while also saying that the realms are just different versions of the same place within one universe and that they all simply exist on top of one another. At absolute most you could put GoW's Norse cosmology at multi plantery, not multi universal. There have been contradictions but Ragnarok and Velazquez make it clear that the Greek and Norse lands aren't alternate universes and since those are the most recent descriptions of the cosmology that should take precedence.

Edit: Kratos also references the comic where we literally see him sail to Egypt where he tried to get rid of the Blades of Chaos just for them to come back.
 
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Cory also states that these geographical divides are more or less akin to seeing each Pantheon as a separate galaxy in the "greater universe" of God of War as per some Hubble Telescope images of said IRL galaxies.
Also I don't know how you got that interpretation. Cory brings the galaxies in a universe with the Hubble image and then compares it to GoW cosmology by saying that the world is the universe with all the mythologies being separated by geography. He literally says the exact opposite of what you just said.
 
Except when GoW talks about realms they're referring to the 9 realms. The writers of 2018 have said that they old games and new games are part of the same planet with Midgard just being the Norse God's name for Earth and that the two areas are separated by the ocean which Kratos backs up. Barlog has also flip flopped between how the cosmology works but he's said before that it's all on one Earth.
One Greater Earth or Universe, as he has claimed. Not that this "one Earth" is planetary in size.

Everything points to it all being on one world. Velazquez has also said five days ago that Midgard is in fact just Earth and that Kratos simply sailed there while also saying that the realms are just different versions of the same place within one universe and that they all simply exist on top of one another.
Way to miss the point that this "one universe" is referring to the greater universe AKA the franchise.

At absolute most you could put GoW's Norse cosmology at multi plantery, not multi universal. There have been contradictions but Ragnarok and Velazquez make it clear that the Greek and Norse lands aren't alternate universes and since those are the most recent descriptions of the cosmology that should take precedence.
Are you being serious right now?

This contradicts everything you just said within the games and other source materials, not to mention that Bruno's recent tweets were leading questions, which are explicitly forbidden under our WoG Rules. Read the last few pages and you'll see we discussed this thoroughly.

This is also debunked by Ymir's Mural and the realms having their own separate Sun, Moon and stars. Not only that, the realms are literally admitted to being the literal alternate planes of existence, being reflections of each other, with portal travel from one realm's version of a destination landing you in that same exact destination the alternate realm regardless of where you start from.

Worse still, this flies in the face of the two Pantheons having completely separate Underworlds, and the fact that the realms and geographical divides are not interchangeable, period. Not to mention the countless other contradictions with the Sisters of Fate having their threads span all life and time (STATED BY KRATOS WITHIN RAGNAROK) yet not affecting the Norse Realms, and Poseidon being God of all Seas but now being dead. If it were all on one Earth, the other Pantheons would have felt the same devastation of the worldwide flood.

Cory and Matt have reiterated many times that all the Creation Stories of the Pantheons forging their own "universes" are all simultaneously true, inhabiting this "Greater Earth" and being separated by its "Geographical Divides".

Also I don't know how you got that interpretation. Cory compares the galaxies in a universe with the Hubble image and then says the world is the universe with all the mythologies being separated by geography. He literally says the exact opposite of what you just said.
How is this exactly the opposite of what I said?
 
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Except when GoW talks about realms they're referring to the 9 realms. The writers of 2018 have said that they old games and new games are part of the same planet with Midgard just being the Norse God's name for Earth which Kratos backs up. Barlog has also flip flopped between how the cosmology works but he's said before that it's all on one Earth. Everything points to it all being on one world. Velazquez has also said five days ago that Midgard is in fact just Earth and that Kratos simply sailed there while also saying that the realms are just different versions of the same place within one universe and that they all simply exist on top of one another. At absolute most you could also put GoW's Norse cosmology at multi plantery, not multi universal. There have been contradictions but Ragnarok and Velazquez make it clear that the Greek and Norse lands aren't alternate universes and since those are the most recent descriptions of the cosmology that should me that they take precedence.
Ahhhhhh, crap. This again.




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P.S., even in the video you posted Cory says that every mythological pantheon is like a galaxy with its own history and cosmological stories spanning from the start to the end of time (meaning they have their own time flows as well), and all those galaxies are wrapped around a massive earth (much bigger than ours, obviously) separated by geography.

A Traveller mural (Travellers in GoW 2018 travel between the 9 realms and even different pantheons) also supports his words:-

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So, G.G.
 
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Ahhhhhh, crap. This again.






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P.S., even in the video you posted Cory says that every mythological pantheon is like a galaxy with its own history and cosmological stories spanning from the start to the end of time (meaning they have their own time flows as well), and all those galaxies are wrapped around a massive earth (much bigger than ours, obviously) separated by geography.

A Traveller mural (Travellers in GoW 2018 travel between the 9 realms and even different pantheons) also supports his words:-

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So, G.G.

Thanks a lot for making my work easier. If this isn't proof enough for the Pantheons being completely separate from each other IDK what the hell is.

Frankly this shit should not even be up for debate at this point.
 
Anyway, I think all discussions of "Planetary 9 Realms" should just be shut down at this point given the enormous piles of evidence that we have for them being at least Universal in size given everything we have seen, and that the Pantheons are completely separate from each other and their influences despite land/water travel being possible (Via some magical way or the other), and that Yggdrasil's tier would not change regardless of whether it contained the universes where the realms reside, or whether the realms are the universes themselves (Already confirmed as such), and even without that we have the Realms having their own Sun and Moon even if you discount the "starry sky" argument (Impossible given Ymir's head shenanigans), so they cannot be anything smaller than star-sized dimensions (Especially when the realms are confirmed to be reflections of each other of the same size and Vanaheim has a Sun and Moon just like ours) at the bare minimum.

Even the recent tweets have proven to be nothing more than contradictory to previous WoG from these same dudes and are directly "leading questions", which violates our rules for WoG Statements where they are only acceptable if they do not contradict the source material, regardless of how recent said developments may be.
 
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