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God of War CRT: Scales of Olympus
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Damn it's like that
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The same devs that then call Norse Kratos stronger outright?
The nerf.
Kratos didn't proceed to land a goddamn volley afterwards, it was just one punch.
Yeah no, then we're just arguing he scales to Hope Kratos, which is just even dumber.
And please don't use the "Abstract" argument, because Fear Zeus would singlehandedly fall under the "felt" category.
No, because he already is there while holding back and nerfed. And he made the comparison. Thor made the claim too.
I already explained why.
The WoG comparison.
The Styx Nerf which leaves Kratos just as depowered as his Norse self if not worse.
The fact that Kratos is training to gain control of that rage to get his old form back without having to lose himself as much.
The fact that we know for a fact that Bloodlusted Kratos is what truly scales to his Pre-Hope self. Hell, even Planck admits this, he's just talking about the gap not being excessive, you are straight up denying there being a goddamned gap.
Once again, he's arguing for the gap to not be as massive as previously perceived, but he's still putting Peak Bloodlusted Kratos above Thor. Just like me.
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This is fine.
I admit there is a gap, but it really shouldn't be so large.
The Zeus-Odin comparison by Word of God only further supports this.
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Yer still not back to staff LOL
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Obi is straight up denying there being a gap, which at this point I can safely say is not going to fly. AT ALL. The gap is there, and it exists.
The gap's not that large, but it's still decent enough to be a decisive victory for Kratos in terms of physicals alone, barring the AD/RE and the hax.
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That's fair.
It's just before this CRT, we were going by the notion that Pre-Hope Kratos utterly stomps the people who scale to Pre-Hades Kratos.
Speaking of, if Kratos pre-Hades could one-shot Hades-level people via scaling to GoW2 Zeus, him absorbing Hades really shouldn't have given him that much of an AP boost.
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That, but also we seemed to assume that the AP gap was also massive.
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Well technically speaking he'd still stomp, just that it wouldn't be a one-shot, but rather an extended bully-fest.
And somehow it still did. And Kratos was still able to keep up with GoW3 Zeus' boost on his lonesome. It's not like Kratos' own AD/RE just ceased to be, they triggered the moment he busted his ass out of Hades.
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It really shouldn't but it boosted his latent growth notably.
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I mean, it's still technically massive enough to constitute a one-shot, but Kratos didn't do it. He still bullied them to hell and back tho and you don't necessarily need to one-shot to stomp.
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My OP and KLOL's first wall of text are the bulk of the arguments for and against the new scaling.
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Yeah, that's what the thread is going for. Zeus still has an advantage but it's academic at best.
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Overall package? Yeah, albeit still ultimately weaker.
Pure physicals tho? Nah, not even close. We already know Odin isn't the strongest god in his own pantheon physically speaking based on Schiff's interview, that title goes to Thor given that multiple other sources confirm it.
I mean, we don't deny this. Odin with magic is a different beast.
Issue is where Odin falls without it. Like, he's comparable to Ragnarok Kratos in that instance, but still weaker.
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Well, I took the extra mile and decided to read the entire thread. My personal opinion regarding the entire Norse vs Greek Kratos in power was always that Kratos took until Ragnarok to fully awaken his GoW3 strength, and that's after the first fight with Thor.
However, having seen both points, I think Planck does make sense that the difference shouldn't be that egregiously large.
And so this
Make sense to me.
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You tagged 7 ppl, 6 aren’t even staff, foddman
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Not sure if that's physicals-only or overall complete package. Seems to be a mix between the two so I'd like that ironed out first.
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KT really fell off omg
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Who, Odin? All of this is overall. But like, it's not like Norse Kratos has magical power to speak of.
Edit: Beyond the standard magical energy that empowers his physical might, to be exact.
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Nah, Freya.
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Freya's stated to be even with Kratos, on multiple occasions, and is considered a deadly enemy by Odin. That's it.
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Ah. Okay then.
I still think the = from Zeus should go, given the whole bloodlusted shenanigans exist and all. Just a simple > would suffice.
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I think ">=" is fine because of the Twitter statement's implications.
I'm sorry but without Ragnarok being the source of 9-universe Brother King scaling, we need a new 9-universe scaling.
So how about this:
Mjolnir shook the World Tree to its roots.
BoC >> Mjolnir.
And you guys all know the rest.
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Ares scaling above Mjolnir is the source of 9 uni scaling for Brother Kings. Like, yeah it's a massive backscale but it's there.
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I know, but the OG Mjolnir scaling was to Ingrid since Ingrid blocked Ragnarok, but the attack by Ragnarok which Ingrid blocked only destroyed 1 realm.
So now the scaling should be Mjolnir-Based (for splintering the WT) instead of Ingrid based.
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Eh, it's not as concrete as the Thor stuff or Baldur stuff IMHO.
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I mean, they both caused the same kind of damage ultimately and BoC still scales above Mjolnir so...
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I mean, scaling doesn't change, just the basis/main justification.
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Ragnarok's attack was held back long enough for them to leave. That same attack deleted a Yggdrasil branch and shook it to its roots.
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Bruno stated that Zeus would murk Baldur, no contest.
That's the kind of concrete-ness we need with this kind of scaling. Just like how we don't take everything Bruno says at face value, especially shit where he says "I think", "I don't think", "probably" or stuff like that. And it'd need to avoid not getting contradicted on top.
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Anyway, I'm in agreement with the overall scale as long as it's End of III Base Zeus > Odin instead of >=, 'cause like, there's not much to go around to put him up as "sorta equal" or neck-and-neck like the Kratos and Thor case here, and Bruno's stuff in this specific case is not conclusive enough.
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