I mean, I already stated that Thor scaling to GoW2 Zeus isn't out of the realm of possibility, given that Zeus is just that ludicrously above Poseidon and Hades combined. Zeus actually has the scaling chain laid out for him plus the absurd power growth. All Thor has is staggering Rage Kratos that doesn't even last long and other forms don't get negged (And even then Thor has to apply effort into it), whereas Herc straight up negs it with his most casual of attacks.
Herc negs it with the cestus. Once he loses that he lost any and all advantages he had.
Good point.
Again, I already noted this down given that Herc's blows were taken by a Hades-soul-amped Kratos. Not a depowered Kratos.
Kratos didn't output a volley of them tho. And we know he's not bloodlusted in the final fight and yet he somehow ends up doing way more damage than last time (Though in retrospect the Blades of Chaos are stronger than Mjolnir so that's a given).
But Kratos said heavy as ANY he had ever felt.
This, and Mimir said in GoW 2018 that "From what I heard, [the Greek Pantheon] had it coming".
Basically what I said, but Aether's explanation is much better.
There is no "ever". Only "as heavy as any he had felt". If it did have "ever, you'd have a point.
Cool, because I never said that. But he still needed it to stand a chance against Zeus.
Kratos getting nerfed by the Styx isn't an assumption. That 100% happened.
As any means "there are no others that are closer/better, but there could be one/some that are as close/good."
It'd only work if it had "ever" and even then you run into problems like Fear Zeus, Kratos felt that, but he didn't weather it. He got shitcanned.
Peak Greek Era Kratos >= End of III Base Zeus >= Odin > Ragnarok Kratos = Freya >= Thor = Hercules = Jormugandr >= Ragnarok >>>> Poseidon
I mean Fear Zeus never punched him, he just got rid of his magic with a blast then choked him before snapping his neck.
Where's GoW2 Zeus?
It didn't just neg his magic, it destroyed most of his equipment and knocked him out hard.
And my response?
Ragnarok shouldn't even be here.
After Ragnarok, far above Poseidon. If this CRT passes then he doesn't affect god-tier scaling anymore so I saw no point in including him
Yeah, but that's not a blow like Thor's blows with Mjolnir and his fists were.
By briefly holding it back. It backscales but like, it's far from full scaling to any degree.
I say this because other than the final struggle, Kratos kinda beat up Zeus in Round 1. Like, Zeus was barely standing after that. Even if you argue that Zeus got stronger after that (and he did), Kratos own growth can keep up just fine by that point.
And? Are we seriously arguing that people scale to Fear Zeus now?
He was fine after Pandora died.
Not at all, I'm saying that Fear Zeus shouldn't be included in Kratos's statement.
Oh yeah, i can see that, this is beautiful.
I don't know why you keep dodging the statement with overtly pedantic reasonings and sheer assumptions of what kratos is attempting to mean. Kratos says thor hits as hard as he's been hit before, there is really nothing to take away from the statement other than exactly that.
Yeah, hence why I said he got stronger after he recovers. But Kratos' can keep up in growth as well so it evens out.
They were definitely neck-and-neck by the very end, Kratos could only win with better skill and even then he struggled considerably more than he did with either Thor or Odin, where he had to wear down Zeus to land a final hit.
In that case it should be replaced with a >= instead.
This is perfect.
Okay, and? Kratos and Thor were both holding back, Kratos still doesn't have the Hades Soul Amp or his Blades of Chaos here, and even Thor asserts that his final bloodlusted punch was his true strength. Why would Thor lie about that?
That's fair.
We know kratos doesn't have any of the amps that orignally put him at that level, the devs still say he's kratos and still GoW 3 tier. If we sat here and debated about but kratos doesn't have this we'd end up with Norse kratos is GoW 1 level because all he has and is anymore is a demigod with the blades of chaos. This is just something you have to accept, it's the only thing we have to go on. Not your baseless assumptions that norse kratos and thor are some super specific X tier because you want them there.
Hell, even if it's not a one-shot, it would straight up be a decisive match, it wouldn't be mid/high diff like Obi is proposing.
This is honestly the dumbest thing I have heard over the last few days. The Official Page Description alone kills the idea of Kratos being GoW1 Tier in Norse dead without the amps. That's not even a dev thing, hell, dev thing straight up states Kratos has to train to get back there, and Mimir also exists. You can't ignore that.
Styx nerf isn't an assumption, and Thor commending on Kratos' final blow to be his true strength isn't an assumption either. Neither is Mimir telling Kratos to not lose control.
This isn't even an argument. Kratos objectively lost all the amps and powerups he had throughout GoW 2 and 3. The only reason we have kratos being still of that level is because the devs deem it so and have stated kratos is kratos and is as strong as he's always been.
Idk how the river styx walked its way into this conversation at all or how it remotely applies to Norse Kratos or his statement on thor. Kratos punching thor legit did nothing, thor was laughing and smiling. Thor scales to any form of kratos, he just lacks the skill and versatility it's really that simple. Norse Kratos still remembers and went through all the events prior in his life, the statement includes all of those events by default and not conveniently excluding super specific events and people because you want it to. All your arguments revolve around your personal aspirations for wanting to have these characters at some certain level backed by nothing. All Planck is proposing is quite literally scaling thor and Odin off a super inferable and easy to decipher face value statement that means exactly what is stated and dev backed intentions with WoG having Odin vs Zeus being a toss up match. You disagree with these two for your own reasons but have not presented any evidence for why "Thor is GoW 2 tier and has no argument for being higher because of obvious reasons".
