Gilgamesh vs Gilgamesh (Retry)

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

I asked when did Cu defeat Gilgamesh in close combat.

The question basically was you implying that because Cu never beat Gil in CQC Gil is superior. I can do the same, When did Gil ever beat someone remotely good in CQC? He was beaten by Shirou who was using a degraded heroes CQC skills and was close to Archer in terms of skill. The same Archer who got stomped in CQC by a super gimped Cu.

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

No, I asked when did Cu defeat Gilgamesh because I don't remember it happening. You can't know what I'm implying unless you are me.

 

[DodoNova2]

I vote for the one who is not gilgamesh

That's pretty clearly a joke. Unless he would like to clarify?

no I did not joke .... I do not see any Gilgamesh take that.

 

[DMUA]

https://youtu.be/QxtJCqWjpy4

 

[Schnee_One]

It's actually very easy to get when someone's implying something.

Either way, you're point on Gilgamesh not getting stomped in CQC by someone with better CQC feats then Sasaki no longer stands.

 

[DMUA]

I vote for the one who is not gilgamesh

That's pretty clearly a joke. Unless he would like to clarify?

no I did not joke .... I do not see any Gilgamesh take that.

So, you are voting inconclusive? Just trying to make sure.

 

[Schnee_One]

Gilgamesh doesn't need to stop using Enuma Elish. He can simply spin it until the other guy comes back and dies.

When the **** has he ever done that?

Also instant teleportation>You spin me right around baby

 

[DodoNova2]

So, you are voting inconclusive? Just trying to make sure.

Yep

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Then why did you even bring up Cu when discussing Gil's CQC abilities?

 

[DMUA]

So, you are voting inconclusive? Just trying to make sure.

Yep

GRACE PERIOD TIME!

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

After the new EoR chapter it's debatable on swordsmanship feats imo.

 

[Schnee_One]

Then why did you even bring up Cu when discussing Gil's CQC abilities?

To answer your question

 

[ThisIsMySwagPack]

Then why did you even bring up Cu when discussing Gil's CQC abilities?

I didn't.

 

[Schnee_One]

To better put this fight into perspective.

Anything strategy FSN Gil can and will do gets him killed provided FF does perfect execution, which is likely considering his skill in combat, but if FF messes up ONE thing, then he loses.

Since it's hard to tell which happens, I'm inconclusive

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Oh it was Gargoyle that brought him up, should probably have read that better.

@Swag My apologies for being rude to you.

 

[Aizenishere]

Everything FSN can do, FF has a counter for, everything FF can do, FSN can also counter if he plays his cards right.

Inconclusive is the most reasonable result.

I think this is a good summary. I vote inconclusive as well.

 

[Schnee_One]

After the new EoR chapter it's debatable on swordsmanship feats imo.

Gilgamesh in FF fought Bartz Klauser, Lenna Charlotte Tycoo Faris Scherwiz and the rest of the party in FFV for an extended period of time, same goes for FF13.

The only time he ever fought one on one was against Seifer Almasy who got swatted like a fly.

No debate here.

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh it was Gargoyle that brought him up, should probably have read that better.

@Swag My apologies for being rude to you.

Neolancer brought up expirience, I brought up Lancer as a counterpoint.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Don't really see anything too impressive regarding skill due to the informative description of "skilled combatant". Koujiro was stalemating Musashi that reached nothingness and they both got so good they basically created a infinite place/empty place outside of space-time that last eternally due to their conceptual level swordsmanship.

 

[Schnee_One]

I'm not gonna lie, that sounds like flowery language, Gil fighting multiple opponents at once, each with years of expirience and great fighters in their own right, along with mastering every single one of the hundreds of weapons he's gained over the years, is more clear cut and impressive to me.

Of course, this doesn't mean much, the point is a CQC fight between these two will not end well if FF is able to dodge or swat Ea.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Gargoyle

There's no way in in hell that FF Gil is swatting away a Conceptual Weapon that dislocates space-time and crushes everything into nothingness when only its polar opposite and a higher-dimensional construct are shown to be able to block it.

 

[Schnee_One]

For the record, I wasn't referring to the blast, I'm referring to the sword itself.


So do you have a vote? I'm willing to see

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

It was the result of Tsubame Gaeshi(which creates possibilities) vs Musashi's ultimate sword technique when using Empyrean Eyey(Which crushes all possibilities besides one) resulting in their concepts of Infinite vs Zero creating a place between the real world and the world of dreams outside of time that last eternally but is never recorded. And it was stated that their respective ultimate techniques transcends space-time as well.

 

[DMUA]

He already chose inconclusive.

 

[Schnee_One]

It was the result of Tsubame Gaeshi(which creates possibilities) vs Musashi's ultimate sword technique when using Empyrean Eyey(Which crushes all possibilities besides one) resulting in their concepts of Infinite vs Zero creating a place between the real world and the world of dreams outside of time that last eternally but is never recorded. And it was stated that their respective ultimate techniques transcends space-time as well.

Insert Jackie Chan WOT GIF here

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Nippo style swordsmanship wank in Fate at its finest tbh.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Ram

But your example describes Sasaki, who is already stated to be vastly superior to F/SN Gil in terms of swordsmanship.

As for Final Fantasy's Gilgamesh, he has fought on par with multiple parties in the series' history. Gilgamesh's chief rival, Bartz Klauser, can copy any weapon and attack after watching it for a short amount of time. Gilgamesh also crossed blades with Squall Leonhart, who is infamous for being one of the few to be able to handle a gunblade, a weapon so notoriously difficult to handle that Squall is one of the only two people in the history of an academy of super soldiers with the most advanced technology and training in the world to be able to use one effectively. Gilgamesh is also considered to be worthy competitor to be pitted against Serah Farro and Noel Kreiss, who in turn fought against Lightning, the chosen of the Goddess of Death. These latter three individuals are on par with Caius Ballad, a swordsman who has traveled through numerous futures and has refined his combat technique for thousands of years out of a desire for revenge.

In addition, in the age department, Gilgamesh's age is literally immeasurable due to the time he spends flying through the Void across history, adding weapons, stories, and experience to his arsenal in each and every place he visits.

 

[Ramesses_the_Sun_King]

Oh I'm fully aware of how hilariously outmatched Gil is in CQC here. I was just answering Gargyole's statement about Gilgamesh having superior swordsmanship feats to Sasaki which I disagree with.

 

[RoyGundam]

Oh I'm fully aware of how hilariously outmatched Gil is in CQC here. I was just answering Gargyole's statement about Gilgamesh having superior swordsmanship feats to Sasaki which I disagree with.

Goddamn ....

 

[Schnee_One]

Oh I'm fully aware of how hilariously outmatched Gil is in CQC here. I was just answering Gargyole's statement about Gilgamesh having superior swordsmanship feats to Sasaki which I disagree with.

You're free to disagree, but I think you get the point.

 

[Schnee_One]

Wait when did Gilgamesh fight Squall? I thought it was Seifer.

 

[Reppuzan]

@Gargoyle

I was writing that at 2 in the morning, I probably got some details wrong.

 

[Schnee_One]

@Gargoyle

I was writing that at 2 in the morning, I probably got some details wrong.

Ah

 

[Schnee_One]

I am JUST remembering Gil's attack reflection.

 

[DMUA]

Just 30 minutes until Grace Period ends....

 

[DMUA]

Welp, need someone to add this and close it.