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Well, after all the discussion that's been had once again, I'm sticking with the proposal of: "At least MFTL, likely higher physically, Infinite with RTZ", and hoping that this thread will come to a close.
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Read the first page I guess, everything after that has just been going around in circles or semantics, you honestly probably dont have to read the ENTIRE thread to get an idea.Can someone summarise this please?
I have been told that Chariot190 (or possibly somebody else) has been very excessively hostile towards Ryu in this thread
due to scaling from BiG and MiH giving outright infinite speed is questionable imo based on the nature of their stands abilities, and highly varied speed, despite their rankings, and the fact "none" being stated as superior to other stands abilities is a secondary statement only
That's not anyone's argument though? There being a void is a nonfactor here, except for some specifications, but not for speed itself.Shouldn't this be pretty straightforward? Our standards for timeless voids make infinite speed for GER invalid.Not like infinite speed for GER before was any more legit but I digress
GER resisting Diavolo's time skip is resistance to time manip and causality manip, simple as that.
which is why nobody is arguing for infinite GER itself, well, Strym and Darkness is, but eh.GER would have blitzed Diavolo before he had time to do anything if he indeed had infinite speed. Quite literally, the eventual heat death of the universe would have happened before Diavolo got a chance to act against GER from his perspective.
Also, I'm simply responding to what the OP says. I've not read any of the arguments currently being discussed and I'm honestly surprised there would even be an argument to be had in the first place.
This too, is a bad argument (even though I am not arguing for infinite physical speed) for the simple fact that fictional characters very rarely utilize their abilities to the fullest extent possible for various narrative reasonsGER would have blitzed Diavolo before he had time to do anything if he indeed had infinite speed. Quite literally, the eventual heat death of the universe would have happened before Diavolo got a chance to act against GER from his perspective.
Not really, DIO stopped RtZ from activating with his RW, meaning that he has still Infinite combat speed due to be able to counter an Infinite Speed ability with a manual oneThey'd probably go down to MFTL since they seem to scale to GER itself. I could be wrong.
If you stop something before it activates, then you don't necessarily scale to it in speed. You'd have to stop it during its activation.Not really, DIO stopped RtZ from activating with his RW, meaning that he has still Infinite combat speed due to be able to counter an Infinite Speed ability with a manual one
Different canon with similar but slightly different mechanics and functionality.How's this affecting TWOH and SPOH tho? They'd still have Infinite Speed due to be able to counter GER right?
im pretty sure HA Dio was just countering Giorno and Giorno tried to use Return to zero and dio countered during the activationIf you stop something before it activates, then you don't necessarily scale to it in speed. You'd have to stop it during its activation.
Except for all the dozens of characters that abide by those laws. We don't make exceptions. You either move at infinite speed or you don't.This too, is a bad argument (even though I am not arguing for infinite physical speed) for the simple fact that fictional characters very rarely utilize their abilities to the fullest extent possible for various narrative reasons
Can Giorno's page be unlocked to apply said changes? So I'll apply the change and end this once for all.Thank you for the summaries. I am fine with Damage's solution.
Also, Chariot, this is supposed to be a polite and friendly community. Please keep the curse words under control.
Done, now lock and close this once for all.Yes, I will do so. Tell me here when you are done.
We agreed with such rating thoAll changes need to be reversed, the user who added them acted on his own while disregarding the work done before.
@AntvasimaAll changes need to be reversed, the user who added them acted on his own while disregarding the work done before.
That will be on another CRTWasn't GER going to become High 8-C?
@Antvasima please, you know who agreed with the new rating, this Drama has no meaning to be re opened, it got enough support from enough mods to get approved.I mean, the OP, Damage, Ant, Chariot and others agreed with the new rating, heck Chariot was defending the points that you made Efi, and now you're refusing? Lmao ok