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The title may shock you and before I get gleamed with controversial hate comments messages on this thread I hope you considerately read my proposal concisely.
Warning: spoilers alert! Obviously...
The Realm of Clouds is a realm created by Guizhong with a star of its own
^^The first image is from the Domain "Voyage of the Sanguine Sky" which directly mentions the Realm of Clouds in its lore description.
The second image is from the Domain "Travels of the Moonlit Venture" which does not directly mention the Realm of Clouds however it's stated to be a separate abode correlating to the Realm of Clouds; not to mention its a domain subsequential to the Voyage of the Sanguine Sky which could be accessed at the same location in-game.
Edit: the second image is the Heavy-Karma Cavern which is also a sub-space created by adepti (I changed it because the previous image links weren't working).
(0:10 displays both Voyage of the Sanguine Sky and Travels of the Moonlit Venture could be accessed through the same portal as whether or not they're the same dimension it's up to a debate. However, judging by appearance they seem to be separate from one another but that's for later future threads to be discussed)
The Chinese term for the abode is 云海洞天 and the term 洞天(Eng: Dongtian or Grotto-heavens) defines a place residue by Gods or Xian in Chinese mythology which could support the assumption that Guizhong's realm is a separate domain with it's own space and time. The term 云海 translates to Sea of Clouds and it's often regarded as an abode for immortals who created and manipulated reality, space, and time in Chinese mythology. The human world is separate from the world of God (or Xian) transcendent above all mortal worlds as a whole in Chinese mythology, as to be able to access the Realm of the Gods, one must attain some source of Godly power in ways of unconventional means.
More explanation of the Chinese mythology proposed Cosmos here: https://weibo.com/7549409992/MrbCeCKoj
http://img1.gamersky.com/image2020/09/20200919_fbw_221_13/image007.jpg （Lore description of Voyage to the Sanguine Sky)
https://jingyan.baidu.com/article/6079ad0e84289769fe86db7d.html (Lore description of Travels of the Moonlit Venture)
The full translation might not be completely accurate but I might as well trust AI anyway since I'm too lazy to translate it all by my own.
Other evidence of Genshin's cosmology consisting of pocket dimensions could be shown by the Serenitea Pot and the Plane of Euthymia.
UNIVERSAL ENERGY SYSTEM
The Universal Energy System of Genshin is elementary energy wielded by allogenes and adepti energy is a variant of the UES.
As stated by the messages shown above, Qiqi's ability all has the term "Adepti Energy" in it and adding to the fact that Qiqi is also an adepti, we can confirm that adeptal power is a type of energy part of the Universal Energy System of Genshin. Waijing is a method of sub-space creation that allows the user to create pocket dimensions out of their imagination.
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This ability was a blessing from Rex Lapis and has been used during troubling times for some brief respite.[3] Even though it is a powerful adeptal ability, it does have limitations: one cannot build a whole city inside, since it is not a true world.[4]
From the description above, we can conclude that Waijing is an adeptal ability and therefore functions through the harness of adeptal energy.
The doubts about the legitimacy of this ability based on the concept of it being "imaginary" and the realm itself is not supposed to be real. However, I'm not arguing for the destruction of its space and time but for the star contained in the realm.
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The Serenitea Pot is a pocket dimension created through "Waijing", and all of the materials contained in the realm is all real and tangible despite the realm itself being "fake".
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As we see from that section of the article, the Traveler can create furnishing materials out of resources harvested from Teyvat (which is Genshin's main world, therefore it's real).
The Traveler can stand, run, and pretty much move freely around the realm and interact with the tangible matter in the realm.
Logically speaking, all of the furnishing material inside of the realm can be inferred as "tangible" and for it to interact with the Earth inside the realm, the ground has to be tangible as well. Therefore, if the Earth is tangible then the star of the realm has to be tangible as well.
Another doubt is that the "star" within the realm isn't an actual star, but rather a light source which well... I don't have much to counteract with that. Many people would juxtapose the "sun" in the realm and the light source in Enkanomiya. However, if you watch closely many parts of Enkanomiya are quite dark compared to many well-lightened places on Earth not to mention the entire territory is underground.
And not even the entirety of Enkanomiya is lightened. So we can conclude that the light source in Enkanomiya isn't entirely the same as the "sun" in the sub-space pocket dimensions, visually speaking. Logically speaking, we wouldn't consider a star that lights up a planet not to be a star which also applies to this case, where the "sun" of the realm not being the size of a star is less likely.
The Plane of Euthymia
The Plane of Euthymia is a realm created by the pure consciousness of Raiden Ei. A plane is defined as a level or layer of existence, thought, or development. As the Plane of Euthymia is not accessible through conventional means and is separated from the real world by Raiden's consciousness, it's practical to regard it as a separate pocket dimension from Teyvat. Since the wiki already accepted the Plane of Euthymia having their space-time and concept there's no need to explain deeper to prove it's a pocket reality.
Realm of Consciousness
A realm of consciousness is a domain built on a person's consciousness which is separate from the world of Teyvat; however, events that occur within a realm of consciousness can affect the outside world. Little is known about how realms of consciousness work, and Yae Miko describes them as a "very abstract concept" surrounded by chaos (Credits to Genshin wiki). A realm of consciousness is a realm consisting of a person's consciousness and deemed as an abstract concept of itself; a set of space-time warped by the owner's memories and unable to be accessed by conventional means. Only be accessed via an entrance which takes on the form of its owner and the entrant must have some sort of special connection to its owner (As how Ei was able to preserve and oversee Makoto's realm of consciousness since Makoto trusted Ei because they're sisters). Or if the character is powerful enough with some sort of hax, could access it (As Dottore tried to access Nahida's realm of consciousness via the Akasha but failed since she closed off her mind at the right timing). Anyways, since the wiki also accepts the Realm of Consciousness as an abstract dimension with its entirety own concept then no further explanation is needed.
Samsara Incident Caused by Akasha Terminal
The Samsara Incident was orchestrated by Sumeru Academica and the Fatui by the exploitation of the Akasha Terminal. It trapped the entirety of Sumeru under an endless time loop within a pocket hex dimension of subconsciousness and we of dreams. The time loop lasted for entire days and repeated the Sabseruz festival as every incident and everyone's memories all reset after twenty-four hours. The reality was manipulated during the story quests covering the samara as it affected both space and time within the particular area and everything around it. Eventually in the end, everything was fluctuating within the hex and created goddamn madness across the entirety of Sumeru thanks to Il Dottore messing with the Akasha Terminal to warp the shit outta the entirety of Sumeru and everyone residing there. I don't want to get to any more spoilers so hopefully, my somewhat vague explanation was helpful to prove that the Akasha Terminal was capable of warping reality and every abstract concept (e.g. every person's realm of consciousness) within the hex.
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Serenitea Pot
The Serenitea Pot is a teapot given to the Traveller by Madame Ping and it's stated to contain an entire realm inside it in it's lore description.
^^https://wiki.biligame.com/ys/尘歌壶世界
Td;lr: Top-tier Genshin characters are proven and stated to be capable of manipulating space-time, realities, and abstract concepts such as the minds and consciousness of beings (Characters such as Raiden Shogun and Il Dottore should have Reality Warping and Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation on their profiles; resistances to Reality Warping and Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation for Nahida's profile). Guizhong and other Xian (adepti) created realms such as the Realm of the Clouds and Serenitea Pot with it being its own dimension with its day and night (further proven in-game, as night in the Serenitea Pot could be a day in Teyvat). The Serenitea Pot and Realm of Clouds have been shown to have their star system in those images displayed on top of the thread.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kaltias/Creating_a_pocket_dimension_containing_a_star (credits to Kaltias)
^^Creating a realm with a star system in the Genshin universe is considered a High 4-C feat.
In conclusion, characters that scale on par or above the adepti should have their tier upgraded to Large Star level (High 4-C) being in the same league as Guizhong and Madame Ping (adepti who created pocket realities with a star system). All characters who'd shown feats or been stated to be capable of manipulating Realms of Consciousness; and/or created hexes which drive people's concepts into insanity should attain Reality Warping and Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation listed on their profiles(Raiden Shogun, the Traveler, and possibly Yae Miko). Resistances also apply if a character manages to resist perpetrators tampering with their Realm of Consciousness (Nahida).
Edit: Characters who scale on par or above the edit should be upgraded to 4-C instead of High 4-C (the calculation listed above was outdated)
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Warning: spoilers alert! Obviously...
The Realm of Clouds is a realm created by Guizhong with a star of its own
^^The first image is from the Domain "Voyage of the Sanguine Sky" which directly mentions the Realm of Clouds in its lore description.
The second image is from the Domain "Travels of the Moonlit Venture" which does not directly mention the Realm of Clouds however it's stated to be a separate abode correlating to the Realm of Clouds; not to mention its a domain subsequential to the Voyage of the Sanguine Sky which could be accessed at the same location in-game.
Edit: the second image is the Heavy-Karma Cavern which is also a sub-space created by adepti (I changed it because the previous image links weren't working).
(0:10 displays both Voyage of the Sanguine Sky and Travels of the Moonlit Venture could be accessed through the same portal as whether or not they're the same dimension it's up to a debate. However, judging by appearance they seem to be separate from one another but that's for later future threads to be discussed)
The Chinese term for the abode is 云海洞天 and the term 洞天(Eng: Dongtian or Grotto-heavens) defines a place residue by Gods or Xian in Chinese mythology which could support the assumption that Guizhong's realm is a separate domain with it's own space and time. The term 云海 translates to Sea of Clouds and it's often regarded as an abode for immortals who created and manipulated reality, space, and time in Chinese mythology. The human world is separate from the world of God (or Xian) transcendent above all mortal worlds as a whole in Chinese mythology, as to be able to access the Realm of the Gods, one must attain some source of Godly power in ways of unconventional means.
More explanation of the Chinese mythology proposed Cosmos here: https://weibo.com/7549409992/MrbCeCKoj
| Full Article Translated: When it comes to multidimensional and parallel universes, these seemingly lofty and sci-fi concepts are also reflected in Chinese mythological stories; For the relationship between time and space, we often use the metaphor of river to describe time and space (as the saying goes in Kawaguchi, the passage of time is like a river), using boats to represent the location of our own existence. The most wonderful aspect of this metaphor lies in the macro perspective, where countless different rivers converge into the sea for the same purpose, but their flow velocity and direction are different in terms of time and space; As a human being, like a boat, it flows in time and space. Compared to humans, a boat does not move and the water flows for a long time. In short, it is the source of clarity and turbidity, the base of stillness and stillness that move, and the change of all things is where the Heavenly Way lies. What changes will happen when the river encounters problems and the world is observed with a stationary boat? In Chinese mythological stories, there is a saying that there is a day in the sky and a year underground, which means that the flow of time in the immortal world and the human world is different. In the human world, there are also different places where time passes, and the most famous one is the story of Lankeshan. In the volume of the Southern Dynasty's "Shuyi Ji", it is said: "During the Jin Dynasty, Wang Zhi was logging at Shishi Mountain in Xin'an County. When he saw several children playing chess, he sang, and the quality was heard. The boy used a substance to match the substance, such as a jujube pit, and the substance contained it, without feeling hungry. In an instant, the boy predicted, 'Why not go?' When the substance rose, he saw that the axe had rotted away, and once he returned, there was no one left The general meaning is that while Wang Zhi was chopping wood at Shishi Mountain, he saw several boys playing chess. He looked for a while, and the boy asked why he didn't go back. He got up and found that the handle of the axe had already rotted. When he returned home, he found that time had passed for a long time, and even his contemporaries had disappeared. It's heartbreaking. The Langke people are caused by the immobility of themselves and the constant flow of time in different regions. In this story, the descendants of Shishi Mountain are called Langke Mountain, which is the eighth cave of the Qingxia in the Book of Taoism. This means that Langke Mountain is the place of immortals, and the differences in time flow rates seem to be understandable. We often refer to Dongtian and Fudi together, but in fact, these are two completely different places. Dongtian is similar to today's context where there is another Dongtian, which means' tong '. In the Taoist "Kongtong Q&A", the thirtieth question is: "What is Dongtian?" The answer is: "Dongzhe Tongye. It is said that this place can connect with the spiritual energy of the heavenly gods Dongtian is a different dimension. Here, we can see that there is a passage to the dwelling place of immortals in the world, from which one can reach Dongtian, which means that the place where immortals reside is Dongtian; Blessed land, on the other hand, is a place where people live, allowing them to avoid disasters and misfortunes without departing from the realm of humanity. According to the Taoist Kongtong Q&A, "31 asked: What is a blessed land? The answer was: Five disasters do not stain the blessed land. 32 asked: What are the five disasters? The answer was: water, drought, sword soldiers, locusts, plague." In mythology and legend, there are 36 Cave Heavens and 72 Blessed Places. We can understand that Cave Heavens are multidimensional spaces that have already been cultivated and separated from the human world. Blessed Places are suitable places for people to cultivate and become immortals. The time-passing speed of Cave Heavens is faster than that of the human world, and the time-passing speed of Blessed Places is the same as that of the human world. From the perspective of Lankeshan being a cave, it can be seen that this mountain can communicate with the fairyland. Wang Zhi is likely to have accidentally entered the fairyland, standing next to the fairyland with a faster time flow, so after watching the boy play chess for a while, more than a hundred years have passed. If he entered a blessed land, then there should be no difference in time. This idea is also reflected in the legend of Dongfang Shuo. "Dongming Ji" said that Dongfang Shuo went out for several months when he was young and was beaten by his mother when he came home. After some time, he went out again. This time, Dongfang Shuo came back after a year. This time, his mother asked him where he had gone, Dongfang Shuo said, "When I come to the Purple Mud Sea, there is purple water and dirty clothes. I still pass through Yu Yuanjian and return in the morning. How long has it been?" It means that I went out in the morning and came back at noon. Why do you say that I have been away for a year? It can be seen from here that the place where Dongfang Shuo went should be the location of Dongtian, which is very similar to Lanke Mountain in terms of time passing. Regarding the issue of the rate of time passing, "The Book of the Underworld" also states: "The Ghost Says Three Years, and the Human World Three Days." This means that in traditional concepts, the three realms of heaven, earth, and man are likely to be countless parallel worlds. The fairyland will have different time flow rates due to different locations. The fastest time in the fairyland is only a short time, and the human world will pass a hundred years; In the underworld, time flows slowly, and in the human world, hundreds of years have passed in the underworld. Regarding the record of a blessed land, in the "Records of the Blessed Land," it is stated that "a top twelve blessed land is rich and has a long appearance, and its descendants are prosperous. The bottom thirty-six blessed land is poor and humble, and its punishment and illness are combined. A middle twenty-four blessed land is not always blessed, and its wealth and wealth are uncertain. Some may have children when they are young or may have multiple illnesses due to its ugliness. The cycle of gain and loss is repeated, and if a person accumulates and acts, they will not be promoted. If a person commits iniquity, they will fall With so many dimensions, it's dazzling. As the saying goes, the seventy-two blessed areas are headed by Mount Zhongnan. Of course, the blessed areas also have another meaning: If a person accumulates actions, they will not be promoted, but if a person commits iniquity, they will fall That is to say, the true blessing lies in the accumulation of good deeds by everyone. A place where people are diligent and friendly will become a blessing. If everyone wants to gain something for nothing and harm others, then this place will fall into hell. Now I think everyone should be clear about the difference between Dongtian Fudi and multi-dimensional space. The ancients also had their views on time and space. Due to the limitations of the times, they expressed this understanding using the concept of Dongtian Fudi, which is different from modern scientific cognition. Let's fantasize a bit more. Perhaps it's not the different flow rates of time that led to the legend of the Rotten Ke Man, but rather Wang Zhi, who was directly transported through time and space by a fairy boy a hundred years later. Perhaps time and space are just so magical. So, even if we live in the present, we often have a sense of time and space transition, like a sense of separation from another world. |
| “此处乃是云海洞天。旧主归终研究机关之学时，收纳了这几些古旧邪物。仙人们则造洞天收纳” Translation: "This is the Realm of Clouds. Guizhong, its former ruler, acquired several ancient and evil artifacts during her research into mechanics. The adepti created this realm to contain them." （Credits to Genshin wiki) |
| “迷宫之下竟然是一片水月洞天，方壶宝地。” Translation: "Beneath the labyrinth lies the unexplored Moonlit Wonderland, a trove of pots and kettles." (Credits to Genshin wiki） |
Other evidence of Genshin's cosmology consisting of pocket dimensions could be shown by the Serenitea Pot and the Plane of Euthymia.
UNIVERSAL ENERGY SYSTEM
The Universal Energy System of Genshin is elementary energy wielded by allogenes and adepti energy is a variant of the UES.
As stated by the messages shown above, Qiqi's ability all has the term "Adepti Energy" in it and adding to the fact that Qiqi is also an adepti, we can confirm that adeptal power is a type of energy part of the Universal Energy System of Genshin. Waijing is a method of sub-space creation that allows the user to create pocket dimensions out of their imagination.
Sub-Space Creation
Sub-Space Creation or Waijing (Chinese: 外景 Wàijǐng, "Outdoor Scene") is an adeptal ability used to create small, autonomous pocket worlds through imagination. This ability was a blessing from Rex Lapis and has been used during troubling times for some brief respite. Even though it is a powerful...
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This ability was a blessing from Rex Lapis and has been used during troubling times for some brief respite.[3] Even though it is a powerful adeptal ability, it does have limitations: one cannot build a whole city inside, since it is not a true world.[4]
From the description above, we can conclude that Waijing is an adeptal ability and therefore functions through the harness of adeptal energy.
The doubts about the legitimacy of this ability based on the concept of it being "imaginary" and the realm itself is not supposed to be real. However, I'm not arguing for the destruction of its space and time but for the star contained in the realm.
Serenitea Pot
The Serenitea Pot or Realm Within (colloquially also known as Teapot, Housing, Homeland, or Player Housing) is a system in Genshin Impact that allows the player to create their own home. Players interact with the system using a gadget of the same name. Players can request to visit their friend's...
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The Serenitea Pot is a pocket dimension created through "Waijing", and all of the materials contained in the realm is all real and tangible despite the realm itself being "fake".
Serenitea Pot
The Serenitea Pot or Realm Within (colloquially also known as Teapot, Housing, Homeland, or Player Housing) is a system in Genshin Impact that allows the player to create their own home. Players interact with the system using a gadget of the same name. Players can request to visit their friend's...
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As we see from that section of the article, the Traveler can create furnishing materials out of resources harvested from Teyvat (which is Genshin's main world, therefore it's real).
The Traveler can stand, run, and pretty much move freely around the realm and interact with the tangible matter in the realm.
Logically speaking, all of the furnishing material inside of the realm can be inferred as "tangible" and for it to interact with the Earth inside the realm, the ground has to be tangible as well. Therefore, if the Earth is tangible then the star of the realm has to be tangible as well.
Another doubt is that the "star" within the realm isn't an actual star, but rather a light source which well... I don't have much to counteract with that. Many people would juxtapose the "sun" in the realm and the light source in Enkanomiya. However, if you watch closely many parts of Enkanomiya are quite dark compared to many well-lightened places on Earth not to mention the entire territory is underground.
And not even the entirety of Enkanomiya is lightened. So we can conclude that the light source in Enkanomiya isn't entirely the same as the "sun" in the sub-space pocket dimensions, visually speaking. Logically speaking, we wouldn't consider a star that lights up a planet not to be a star which also applies to this case, where the "sun" of the realm not being the size of a star is less likely.
The Plane of Euthymia
The Plane of Euthymia is a realm created by the pure consciousness of Raiden Ei. A plane is defined as a level or layer of existence, thought, or development. As the Plane of Euthymia is not accessible through conventional means and is separated from the real world by Raiden's consciousness, it's practical to regard it as a separate pocket dimension from Teyvat. Since the wiki already accepted the Plane of Euthymia having their space-time and concept there's no need to explain deeper to prove it's a pocket reality.
Realm of Consciousness
A realm of consciousness is a domain built on a person's consciousness which is separate from the world of Teyvat; however, events that occur within a realm of consciousness can affect the outside world. Little is known about how realms of consciousness work, and Yae Miko describes them as a "very abstract concept" surrounded by chaos (Credits to Genshin wiki). A realm of consciousness is a realm consisting of a person's consciousness and deemed as an abstract concept of itself; a set of space-time warped by the owner's memories and unable to be accessed by conventional means. Only be accessed via an entrance which takes on the form of its owner and the entrant must have some sort of special connection to its owner (As how Ei was able to preserve and oversee Makoto's realm of consciousness since Makoto trusted Ei because they're sisters). Or if the character is powerful enough with some sort of hax, could access it (As Dottore tried to access Nahida's realm of consciousness via the Akasha but failed since she closed off her mind at the right timing). Anyways, since the wiki also accepts the Realm of Consciousness as an abstract dimension with its entirety own concept then no further explanation is needed.
Samsara Incident Caused by Akasha Terminal
The Samsara Incident was orchestrated by Sumeru Academica and the Fatui by the exploitation of the Akasha Terminal. It trapped the entirety of Sumeru under an endless time loop within a pocket hex dimension of subconsciousness and we of dreams. The time loop lasted for entire days and repeated the Sabseruz festival as every incident and everyone's memories all reset after twenty-four hours. The reality was manipulated during the story quests covering the samara as it affected both space and time within the particular area and everything around it. Eventually in the end, everything was fluctuating within the hex and created goddamn madness across the entirety of Sumeru thanks to Il Dottore messing with the Akasha Terminal to warp the shit outta the entirety of Sumeru and everyone residing there. I don't want to get to any more spoilers so hopefully, my somewhat vague explanation was helpful to prove that the Akasha Terminal was capable of warping reality and every abstract concept (e.g. every person's realm of consciousness) within the hex.
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Serenitea Pot
The Serenitea Pot is a teapot given to the Traveller by Madame Ping and it's stated to contain an entire realm inside it in it's lore description.
| "仙人以「尘歌壶」为媒介,凭借仙力化出了此方洞天境地（通过小道具尘歌壶进入）。作为此方洞天的主人,旅行者可以用各种方式修整洞天的环境,将其变成自己喜欢的样子。" Translation: "The immortals used the "Dust Song Pot" as a medium and used their immortal power to transform this cave realm (entered through the small path with the Dust Song Pot). As the owner of this cave, travellers can use various methods to decorate the environment of the cave and turn it into the way they like." |
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“从萍姥姥那里得到的茶壶。里面似乎别有洞天…” Translation: "A teapot obtained from Madame Ping. There seems to be a whole realm within it..." (Credits to Genshin wiki) |
Td;lr: Top-tier Genshin characters are proven and stated to be capable of manipulating space-time, realities, and abstract concepts such as the minds and consciousness of beings (Characters such as Raiden Shogun and Il Dottore should have Reality Warping and Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation on their profiles; resistances to Reality Warping and Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation for Nahida's profile). Guizhong and other Xian (adepti) created realms such as the Realm of the Clouds and Serenitea Pot with it being its own dimension with its day and night (further proven in-game, as night in the Serenitea Pot could be a day in Teyvat). The Serenitea Pot and Realm of Clouds have been shown to have their star system in those images displayed on top of the thread.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kaltias/Creating_a_pocket_dimension_containing_a_star (credits to Kaltias)
^^Creating a realm with a star system in the Genshin universe is considered a High 4-C feat.
In conclusion, characters that scale on par or above the adepti should have their tier upgraded to Large Star level (High 4-C) being in the same league as Guizhong and Madame Ping (adepti who created pocket realities with a star system). All characters who'd shown feats or been stated to be capable of manipulating Realms of Consciousness; and/or created hexes which drive people's concepts into insanity should attain Reality Warping and Type 3 Conceptual Manipulation listed on their profiles(Raiden Shogun, the Traveler, and possibly Yae Miko). Resistances also apply if a character manages to resist perpetrators tampering with their Realm of Consciousness (Nahida).
Edit: Characters who scale on par or above the edit should be upgraded to 4-C instead of High 4-C (the calculation listed above was outdated)
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